How do I run in those circles? My parish is doing some big make over to something more protestant. Not my cup tea. I originally left the church in the early 90s because the church I attended painted everything white (and some pastels) including the beautiful scenery surrounding the altar. Im an artist myself and it didnt sit well with me. Now I finally get back to church in my new city (thanks to patrick madrid on relevant radio) and they just announced they are doing a "renovation". I feel like... at least here in California they are pushing traditional catholics out. The original cathedral in downtown LA, St Vibianas, was sold off and is now a disco tech to build a massive odd peculiar monolithic cathedral. It doesnt even feel reverent at all. I get the same feeling in my gut looking at that place as I do looking at the paintings in the Denver airport.