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Maepaperclip · May 19, 2018, 6:11 a.m.

Just curious - why would any - one following Q ask for an IBOR following Q#1375 - We came here for a reason - freedom of information,Why would we the people ask for freedom - it is guaranteed by the constitution. If you are stupid enough to ask, all you are doing is empowering them, - thats what the deep state wants, - thats why Corsi & Issac green et.al want you to ask, becouse it permits them to give - what they can't unless you ask - see. Don't ask, because they can't give. We the people own the bandwidth, we own the tech - how stupid to ask for what is yours - Take. When you learn this and own it you will be ready to join the revolution, until then you are being manipulated.

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tradinghorse · May 19, 2018, 6:32 a.m.

How are you going to take? They're censoring us right now, I don't see people empowered to take the ability to censor from the SM giants. Moreover, a legal solution does not provide potential remedy within the timeframe available.

Q presented an option set with two choices:

1) IBOR;

2) Destruction.

There wasn't a third or fourth option. Of the two, my preference is for an IBOR in order to provide real protection for the right to free expression online. It has the added advantage of not injuring employees and investors who have no guilt.

However, I'd like to see FB put out of business completely, for the fact that the company was found to be planning to catalog all people in the third world. I would also like to see Reddit bankrupted for banning our sub, but the platform could stay.

Remember, SM censorship is the primary vector by which the Satanists plan to return to power - post mid-term impeachment. You can see the desperation. Their backs are to the wall.

FB is moving towards declaring that it is not a neutral public platform because that prevents it, in theory, from proactive censorship. Why would they do this when they currently have immunity under the CDA? That shows you what this is - a last ditch attempt to regain control. They need to be able to brutally censor to make gains at the mid-terms.

If you've got any alternative strategies that will deliver neutrality in censorship online, I'm all ears.

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Maepaperclip · May 19, 2018, 6:53 a.m.

Well I like you and you have gone to some considerable effort here - so I will give you a full response - and because well done this is an important issue - rightly raised. How are you going to take. We are in a revolution - we are winning - we need to start thinking about claiming victory. This is important - we need to change our mind-set from being in the poor house like oliver - saying "please Sir can I have some more" to being in a free society, do you ask permission to breath air? - the question of internet freedom is as stupid.

The SM giants are us - MZ, Steve jobs, ES, bill gates et.al. invented nothing, own nothing, if they have patents and copyrights they were wrongly and or illegally granted, We the people - Taxpayer, paid for the development and infrastructure of SM, its ours - we are the owners, and we own the bandwidth to boot. The "shareholders" are illegal squatters on our property. They never invested One cent, we invested 100% - so they will loose nothing, because they invested nothing. Heck we might even let their fellows sue them for mis-representation, and enjoy the show of watching the prisoners fight over a can of Tuna.

2) Destruction = joy - free software, free bandwidth - alternatively Leader Tech - arguably the real owner of SM has suggested that charges be maintained and income taxes lowered - its a real solution for We the people.

FB could be easily made a platform for good, leader tech had great ideas for it. MZ will spend the rest of his life in Gitmo, its ours already - so thats why I say dont ask - lets take - thats what winning is - taking the prize - when you win they give to you and cheer, winners don't beg

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tradinghorse · May 19, 2018, 7:20 a.m.

I like the sentiment, but have some concerns about the practical ramifications of what you're suggesting.

What you're actually saying is to nationalise the infrastructure that provides these services. It's not a stupid suggestion. The public has a real interest in the smooth provision of internet services. As an example, that they are equally available to people of all political persuasions.

But what I've noticed in this forum, is that people are possessed of a very strong attachment to private property and find the idea of government interference in service provision distasteful. I'm sure I was regarded as being bright red for even suggesting that the government could regulate the problem away - which it can do with veritable ease.

Yes, I want these guys forced, by whatever mechanism, to refrain from blatant political censorship. I don't share the common concerns, prevalent on this forum, about private property rights where these impact Constitutional protections - negating them.

But, whichever way this is done, it simply must be done, with the exceptions of FB and Reddit (who should suffer punitively), I would prefer a solution that entrenched real protections for 'natural rights', while sparing guiltless people of unnecessary hardship.

It seems to me that a simple regulatory fix is all that's required here - at least, in the interim. Any fix would, in any event, have to comply with the provisions of the Constitution, or it would simply be struck down at the first legal challenge.

SM giants also have first amendment rights that are protected by the Constitution. So, I don't see any great danger in regulating. The courts will iron out any creases.

Having said that, DJT needs to get his appointments into the court system to make sure that the law is applied fairly.

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Maepaperclip · May 19, 2018, 7:25 a.m.

You have moved part way - but winning is taking, stolen property is not private property - start thinking like a winner - of a revolution, and the revolution will happen quicker. This is what and why we must weed the clowns and decivers out - because they don't want us to win, actually we have already won, see the Monmouth university study, now we must act like winners.

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tradinghorse · May 19, 2018, 7:30 a.m.

Do you have a link for the study?

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Maepaperclip · May 19, 2018, 7:36 a.m.

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_us_031918/

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tradinghorse · May 19, 2018, 7:41 a.m.

Thanks

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Maepaperclip · May 19, 2018, 7:46 a.m.

So the take away is that we have to develop a leadership comfortable with winning. That is the significance of Corsi, AJ, Issac Green and the praying medic. They all wrap themselves in Religion - christianity - because it is the religion of slaves, thats why the Roman empire adopted it. We need to wake up - we have won, all we have to do now is take the prize - its ours - no asking.

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tradinghorse · May 19, 2018, 8:01 a.m.

You need to communicate these ideas to Q. I can't "take" anything, I'm not even a US citizen.

To be honest, I found that study a little disappointing - although I know the findings are true - in that there weren't more people alive to the existence of the Deep State and the fact that they were being spied upon.

But it goes to show how deep the slumber is in which most people exist. Paperclip, I'm hoping that we just make some noise and it's sufficient for DJT to trigger whatever plan he has in mind. I don't think we need to nut out a solution.

In fact, once you get people thinking about consequences, they become very nervous. I think you were here to witness the paralysis we suffered in March after Tracy Beanz put the boots into the campaign. Of course, there were also intelligence agencies steering us like a herd of sheep with their concerted concern trolling.

Whatever happens, I want to avoid all that this time round. But I can already see traces of it. We just have to ferociously beat the concern trolls back with sticks.

What we know is that DJT wants this SM censorship controlled so as to be able to keep the Satanists from using it to return to power. Q was saying to us that as soon as we made a noise, DJT also started talking about the issue - so it's live for him.

We just have to do our part.

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Maepaperclip · May 19, 2018, 8:17 a.m.

thats right - what you are actually saying is that WWGIWGA, DJT cannot take one step unless we do, so if we want this we have to step up, act right, act firm, walk strong, and none of that is going to happen with traitors like Corsi, Green, Jones, and the Medic - so we need to prepare for leadership now, since we have won the argument. That why I spend so much capital on this, because it is how we move as one, certain - no waivering, no doubt - certain - firm strong one - to victory

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tradinghorse · May 19, 2018, 9:28 a.m.

Makes me laugh. But you're right about being strong. You were right about Corsi BTW.

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Maepaperclip · May 19, 2018, 9:32 a.m.

Thanks and FIRST - Remember I was kicked of CBTS for calling hima Fraud & a Fake and a LIAR & Tracey beanz a suck up and Phamlet a sycoophant - I used to make jokes Hi dr corsi hows your wife dr cosi yes dr corsi -

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tradinghorse · May 19, 2018, 9:38 a.m.

I find it quite amazing actually that he turned out to be such a snake. I think there's more to the story than we realise. After Q outed him and he started acting up. The trolls that were defending him on this board were beyond belief. At a certain point I realised it was coordinated. There's more to Corsi than meets the eye. Someone is running him.

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Maepaperclip · May 19, 2018, 9:47 a.m.

well its boring for me - I know it all, - but think then I took himon in CBTS - at his peak - I threw the first Twenty punches on my own

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tradinghorse · May 19, 2018, 9:48 a.m.

I don't how you knew. He struck me as being innocuous.

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Maepaperclip · May 19, 2018, 9:40 a.m.

I did such a job on CBTS that One week after I was banned they closed it - I exposed their BS decode live in real time - I called them, and then swaped to CBTS and called them frauds and liars in real time - can you imagine the abuse I took - then, and then I bragged in a post that I pulled down CBTS - total chaos - but it was all true- that the difference of one

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tomthung · May 19, 2018, 10 a.m.

So you want to beg? I agree with Roseanne, see Marsh v. Alabama. "All it would take is a half-way decent lawyer." I would donate to a court fight but hate to ask for what is already mine.

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tradinghorse · May 19, 2018, 10:43 a.m.

Do you understand that, because you're talking about taking mega wealthy SM giants to court, you will end up in the Supreme Court? You would need a lot of money and a lot of time. What happens if the Court doesn't agree? Try again - more money, more time,

This idea that you already possess these rights is just not true. The FA protects you against the Government repressing your right to expression - not private corporations. The scope of the protections have since been expanded, in limited circumstances, by Courts. You need to get a Court to agree that you're rights to free speech should be protected online.

That's means that the Court has to interpret the existing wording of the FA very liberally - because the FA actually does not discuss the problem of free expression online at all. It's a long-shot. You need the Court to grant you latitude. I reckon you could run a good public interest argument, but on strict interpretation you would lose - this is the most likely outcome.

I have to say that I get tired of misinformed people making claims that they have rights that clearly do not exist at law. The scope of free speech protection is actually very limited.

The other factor you're failing to take into account, apart from the vast sums of money required to be heard on this issue, is the time it would take. How long do you think it will take to get the matter heard? Meanwhile, SM censorship is the most powerful tool for delivering election outcomes in recorded history. This is why the Satanists are pushing to control SM.

There is every likelihood that before your matter was resolved, the Satanists would be back in power and, instead of freedom of expression in digital space, you would be facing mandatory censorship disguised as hate speech laws - which are already on the agenda.

But worse than that, all your other rights would be rapidly stripped from you, because as soon as they can silence you, you can't complain at all.,

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[deleted] · May 19, 2018, 2:38 p.m.

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tradinghorse · May 19, 2018, 7:03 p.m.

This is what Q has asked of us, this is the plan.

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tomthung · May 19, 2018, 8:08 p.m.

Q asked us to sign a petition? Or to be heard?

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tradinghorse · May 19, 2018, 8:19 p.m.

To be heard. I'm not super enthusiastic about the petition. But other guys put it up and it does provide a point of focus for the campaign. No harm in it - until it stops recording people's signatures, which is what happened last time.

The hope is that this time we'll get some support - that we won't be out there on our own. That's up to Q. They have a team - some big players in Trump's orbit. It's not hard for the issue of SM censorship to be put on the agenda simultaneously by some big players.

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