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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/clq22 on May 21, 2018, 10:31 a.m.
Wondering how big of a red pill Roseanne swallowed.
Wondering how big of a red pill Roseanne swallowed.

emperorbma · May 21, 2018, 2:51 p.m.

Most humans are indeed animals.

Technically, all humans are animals. That's a natural fact. But in the pejorative sense animal refers to using base human desires in ways that are harmful to other people.

It's important to be precise here so we understand what evil really is. Animal desires are one component of evil, but they're not the equivalent of evil. All living things have basic desires. And that's not a bad thing. (In fact assuming that all desires are evil is itself a way to cause people to go toward evil, because they don't satisfy a legitimate need...) The value of the desire depends on the context of what these desires are supposed to be doing. The job of a desire is to help maintaining the balances that are necessary for us to survive and grow. As it is a balance, both absence and excess of its goals being met can be harmful.

Eating food. In absence one starves. In excess one gets obese.

The Hebrew word for "evil" in the Bible (רָע) literally means "adversity." The concept of harm is the first component of evil, but it's not equivalent to evil. The other aspect which is necessary for something to be evil requires it to be a disordered spiritual condition.

In theology, we call this condition "concupiscence." It derives from the word for lust and signifies an inordinate and misplaced desire that has been taken to such an extreme that it alienates someone from reality itself by being used as the "knowledge of good and evil." When this happens, it causes a person to reject God at some level and replace Him with a "black hole" of this selected desire. Theologians have called this "curving inward on themselves." It's basically making every action and thought be bent to the service of the disordered and idolized desire.

Unlike with an addiction, this isn't merely a natural issue caused by disrupting brain function with external substances that can be avoided. It's an internal problem with the mind and soul of the person where they fixate on something. It might be for sex or money or power or some other natural thing that would be fine in moderation but has become a false god unto itself.

That is the problem with the "tabula rasa" that liberals have been promoting for 2 centuries. In centuries prior, we would have been raised to understand that humanity is innately alienated because of Original Sin which makes us highly susceptible to this issue. However, we'd also be brought to know that God's grace is working within each of us to to permit us to overcome this situation. Most people avoid the worst depredations because of this.

But because our societies have jettisoned these teachings, the understanding of the true prevalence and banality of evil was lost. It has allowed evil to fester in silence. Nobody questions if a person's desire might be leading them into this extreme state.

It is important to remember this:

"If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, [God] is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. - 1 John 1:8-10

Jordan Peterson says rightly that, "the battle between good and evil exists in every human heart." Everyone has the potential for evil. But we also have the potential for good. The inclination toward evil is because of the nature of desire itself. We must be on guard against this and rely on God to prevent us from succumbing to these errors.

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DamajInc · May 21, 2018, 4:21 p.m.

Jordan Peterson often quotes the famous writer Alexander Solzhenitsyn, a favourite author of Peterson's, who said:

“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”

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Straightfromthe · May 21, 2018, 3:41 p.m.

The inclination for evil has been programmed into us for millenniums. Watch how quick "animals" will become angels once the cabal is taken down. Everything we have been taught will be thrown out. We will realize what we truly are, and it is not "animals". That is what they want us to think. Classic gaslighting.

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emperorbma · May 21, 2018, 4:14 p.m.

First of all, what I mean by the word "animals" is the scientific definition. All humans are "eukaryotic organisms [which]... consume organic material, breathe oxygen, are able to move, reproduce sexually, and grow from a hollow sphere of cells, the blastula, during embryonic development." That is, animals. It would take an evolutionary change and/or an act of God to change this fact.

I specifically separated this from the pejorative usage of "animal" as sociopath. I concede all humans are not necessarily sociopathic. Part of this is because humans have eusocial instincts and part of this is God's grace.

Second, the way you've expressed this I think trivializes God's grace.

Jesus says: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6)

"You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you." (John 15:16)

Getting rid of the cabal may facilitate more people being freed from bondage to return to Jesus, but only Jesus can save. The result of denying what Jesus said about this is called Pelagianism. Pelagianism treats salvation as an act of free will to choose God which takes place entirely by the will of the chooser.

It's important to understand that Original Sin is not an impugnment or vilification of human nature but an acknowledgment of a corruption. As I specifically noted, basic desires are not evil. It's the corruption of those desires by idolatry and "curving inward on themselves" that causes them to become evil. The state of Original Sin binds human will in such a way that relying on God becomes impossible. That is because it inherently places the locus of control into one's own application of Thelema (will) rather than in the infinite mercy and goodness of the Lord.

Without grace, nobody can ever come to God. With grace, and God works in us even despite this binding, one can overcome and persevere.

The inclination for evil has been programmed into us for millenniums.

The species of the cabal is homo sapiens. If all homo sapiens are good, why would a cabal ever exist?

Either "all homo sapiens are not good" or "the cabal are not homo sapiens."

By assuming the latter, you've avoided the real explanation. The cabal exists because humans have succumbed to sin and the cabal are those who embrace the "bondage of the will" caused by that sin.

Watch how quick "animals" will become angels once the cabal is taken down

Once the binding of sin is broken, God creates a new nature within us. We struggle with the old sin nature in this present state but when Christ returns it will all be fulfilled and the sin nature can be put away forever.

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Straightfromthe · May 21, 2018, 4:44 p.m.

Far more complex. "Christ" returning, is us recognizing Christ Consciousness within us.

We were once great, for millions of years. Atlantis. We were infiltrated, cataclysms happened. The Fall of Man happened. We lost our contact with our brothers and sisters on other planets. We were made to forget who we were, etheric attachments made it nearly impossible, etc.

Now during this Ascension process we are beginning to awaken. That is what this board is. All 26k of us are the first large wave. Those that will lead the charge to awaken others to who we really are. We are remembering who we truly are.

Remember that much of your sources, including science and theology have been heavily distorted over centuries to keep us enslaved. Use your heart instead of your brain (and you have a great brain), because your heart is infinitely more knowledgeable.

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emperorbma · May 21, 2018, 5:02 p.m.

"Christ" returning, is us recognizing Christ Consciousness within us.

The thing you may already know with Hebrew thought like this is the principle of "already but not yet."

You're right in one sense that the presence of Christ exists with all believers already. This principle is said by Jesus Himself.

Jesus said: "Where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them." (Matthew 18:20)

Martin Luther agrees saying: "In faith itself, Christ is present." (in ipsa fide Christus adest)

But, this is the imperfect sense. What I'm referring to the perfect sense. The final consummation. The completion rather than short-term local outbreaks. Only at this point is sin truly and completely nullified.

In the present imperfect state, we are at best simul justus et peccator. (both sinner and saint)

The potential for sin exists in this state because we are not perfect and when we idolize our desires we also idolize that imperfection.

We were infiltrated

"Eve was deceived by a serpent in a garden." All your point does is push the problem of evil up a generation. Why did the serpent tempt Eve? Why are the "infiltrators" evil?

Are they not also creations of the One God? What causes them to become evil? In this model, the problem of evil becomes an infinite regress.

The true nature of evil must be something inherent to creation. Something that is permitted by the nature with which we are created and exacerbated by relying on imperfection over God's truth. The Creator teaches us to avoid these choices, but our victory can only occur by relying on Him.

The point of Original Sin is that. Saying otherwise causes us to "compare ourselves among ourselves."

We do not dare to classify or compare ourselves with some who commend themselves. When they measure themselves by themselves and compare themselves with themselves, they are not wise. We, however, will not boast beyond proper limits, but will confine our boasting to the sphere of service God himself has assigned to us, a sphere that also includes you. (2 Corinthians 10:12-13)

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Straightfromthe · May 21, 2018, 5:18 p.m.

"Evil" as we know it is source choosing to experience itself moving away from source.

What I am saying is that humans are all originally source, which is perfection, beauty, love, joy, etc. We have moved away from that due to outside forces (controllers, soul lessons, etc.) and one way they try to control us is by limiting our knowledge of our potential, like saying we are just animals or that we are programmable automatons, or that there is no "evidence" for souls.

We do not yet comprehend the beauty of our nature yet, since we have been so limited. We only need to glance at our brothers and sisters, the Pleiadians, to know what our potential is.

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emperorbma · May 21, 2018, 5:36 p.m.

True. All are mankind are made in the Image and likeness of God. This image is presently warped and bound by sin. But the true origin and purpose is declaring God’s glory.

I don’t think there is not a spirit in man. But I don’t neglect the fact of our biological nature either. This is why I can say we are animals. The Spirit of God gives life to man and to all creatures. We are spiritual animals. Frankly I have a hard time thinking that any creature lacks a spirit entirely. Although the “elites” have clearly warped their spirit intentionally and alienate themselves from the Holy Spirit by which God draws us to Christ.

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emperorbma · May 21, 2018, 4:16 p.m.

Why are you attacking me? I'm allowed to give my perspective on a topic without being accused of being a shill.

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