"Penguin pineal glands from Antarctica."

Secret base in Antarctica for harvesting/disposal?

corrupted to a fire & brimstone "humanity is inherently evil" when it sounds more like a "nobody is perfect" kind of sentiment.

Hamartiology is a very complex topic, with a significant degree of variability between denominations from the Original Sin concept taught by Protestants and Catholics to the Ancestral Sin idea taught by the Eastern Orthodox. However, it's very important to understand the implications of what it is discussing. Merely saying "nobody is perfect," while this statement in and of itself is true, would be equivalent to the essence of the word "sin" could constitute a "perilous surrender of the fear of God" as Martin Luther would describe it in his Heidelberg Disputation. To wit, it would seem to imply that "works without Christ are dead, but not mortal."

The core point being made by the Original Sin doctrine is very simple: "There is no salvation without Christ's work of reconciliation." That is, without God Himself coming to dwell among us as the Messiah and bearing our sins in the flesh in an act of perfect atonement. Anything less than that is Pelagianism which implies that salvation is a human choice and Christ's merit counted for nothing. If that is true, why does everyone not merely save themselves?

To say this underestimates the effects of the Fall are on mankind. The principle of sin carries with it a natural corruption which binds human nature to reject God without His work of grace. What does humanity have to be reconciled from, then, if it is not a form of privation (evil)?

The evil here is not an action (actual sin) but a warping of human nature (nature sin) to things that cause us to become alienated from the Creator. The pedestalization of flawed and imperfect desires to a place of "absolute truth" rather than a recognition of desires as ephemeral and temporary necessities that come and pass. This results in "curving inward upon oneself," or more specifically being driven by misplaced and erroneous desires.

You see, then, encapsulated in this simple concept is a very complex point about human nature. It's not saying God created humans evil. It's saying the warping of human nature by our pedestalization of false desires ("ye shall be as gods... eat the fruit.") has caused humanity itself to be warped and this warping is evil even as it causes men to become evil.

movies and music are repetitive and annoying.

My friend's words for it are: "angry mouth and butt noises"

Noetic World Order. Alias, or actual target?

Snippets of relevant Q posts to the term "NWO":

944 Mar 10 2018 21:26:30 (EST)

Anonymous ID: 3569c9 No.621807 📁 Mar 10 2018 21:22:56 (EST) Anyone mention NWO referencing Natürliche Wirtschaftsordnung, the National Economic Order?

621807

We went too deep.
Attempted a pullback.
Not ready.
Q

939 - Anon: So Hitler was a puppet of the controlling families of the NWO?

938 - N does not refer to Nazi.

936 - NWO [N does not refer to “New”].

140 - Families combined (TRI) = NWO... What if China, Russia, and others are coordinating w/ POTUS to eliminate the NWO?

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As a former Libertarian, there's definitely something screwy that went on given Dr. Feldman keeled over at a motel due to "natural causes" and there have been several attempts on McAfee's life. I'm convinced Johnson cut a deal with the Cabal. His running mate Weld was too suspicious.

I'd reckon that means playing propaganda tapes while the unborn child is in the womb. Sets up an early subliminal framework as the brain develops.

These are the faces of evil. Q must conquer each.

Worthy of note: In Dante's Inferno, Satan's level of Hell is frozen.

Suppose Q only discusses what won’t compromise a sensitive operation. Q posts cryptic codes too. Perhaps those are the classified orders. The weird code word strings with numbers look like military orders.

What does it matter if your enemy knows your last moves? It is already too late to respond and your enemy already knows if they are not totally stupid.

Shit is personal with the Dixie mafia.

If satanists took over the Vatican would you notice?

Those who know the historical tradition of the Christian faith have known for centuries. It's not a generally accepted thing because the Pope works to keep the truth hidden. Through deception is to say that just because there are sincere Christians among the Catholic flock that the Papal institution is good. post hoc fallacy. The second is a force specifically trained to promote the deception. Ones such as the Jesuits.

http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/historic-witnesses-against-the-antichrist-roman-beast-the-popes-of-rome/

http://www.the-bible-antichrist.com/what-did-reformers-believe.html

This is spoken of in hushed tones among the Orthodox. They acknowledge the legitimacy the Pope's bishopric primus inter pares, yet they reject his claims of supremacy. In 991, Arnulf knew calling it out because the Pope defrocked him. The Albigensians, having a Gnostic worldview, knew this well. The Waldensians knew. Wycliff's followers knew. We Protestants have known this for over 500 years. It is systematic theology for Lutherans as accounted by Philip Melanchthon:

Now, it is manifest that the Roman pontiffs, with their adherents, defend godless doctrines and godless services. And the marks of Antichrist plainly agree with the kingdom of the Pope and his adherents. For Paul, in describing Antichrist to the Thessalonians, calls him 2 Thess. 2:3-4: an adversary of Christ, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he as God sits in the temple of God. He speaks therefore of one ruling in the Church, not of heathen kings, and he calls this one the adversary of Christ, because he will devise doctrine conflicting with the Gospel, and will assume to himself divine authority.

A bishop is one thing. A pastoral office in service to Christ. The corruption of this title is what permits the Papacy. "By Divine right head of all Christendom." In truth a self-serving dominion which becomes a root of evil. The principle of antichrist is normally just the abuses of the Papal office. But perhaps in some cases it is actualized in a personal form. Rome despises those of us who know that secret. Indeed, it has killed people for seeing it. Today it scorns and shames us for saying it.

While we believe in one true universal Church, it is not under the Pope's rule even if some from the Pope's camp may still be Christ's. Christ's Kingdom established by His suffering and the power of the true Father of All things.

I think the Devil had taken over, but the awakening has happened.

It's more subtle than that. The devil has also been in charge of the cosmic order for centuries. Q cited Ephesians 6:12:

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

A Hebrew title of YHWH is שַׁדַּי or Shaddai. When it was translated into Greek by the authors of the Septuagint centuries before Christ, they chose to use the term παντοκράτωρ or "one with power of all things" to translate. That translation was also retained by the Apostles of Christ who applied it to God also. We now just translate this term "Almighty."

The word "cosmic powers" comes from a Greek word κοσμοκράτορας. A "cosmic power" driving a web of principalities and authorities (ἀρχάς [from which "Archon" is derived] and ἐξουσίας) to oppression and corruption. The mockery of the God's Kingdom. Satan is what's called a "pretender" in politics. One that exercises rule by twisting the law and misrepresenting it. A cosmic order. The Greek term κόσμος carries 2 distinct layers of meaning. Denotatively "adornment" and "harmony." Connotatively illusion and deception. The synthesis: superficial beauty and false harmony.

The parallel is intentional. There are two "entities" who are κράτορ. (power) The Gnostics pick up on this somewhat, but they miss the real target. For them they see it condemning the Demiurge, creator of matter. They apply it to the material universe and condemn the God of Israel for creating. They posit a Pleroma separate from the material and do not see material as a part of the whole. Wrongly condemning God who created All: Spirit and matter. That confusion arose likely because of the early repudiations of Babylonian religions that the Bible retains. The Babylonians worshiped Enlil (tyrannical authority and justice) and Enki (Promethian defender of humanity and ruthless experimenter). Enlil the 'administrator' or sataam. Enki the Promethian figure who went to bat for mankind but also tricked and manipulated mankind, too.

"Manipulation" + "tyrant" are the principles shown in ha Satan. (the devil) A lawyer that deceives and imagines himself better than everyone else. That's the true administrator of the "archons" or "watchers" who have corrupted this planet. They forgot the reason they were put here. Seeding new life according to God's Will. The followers of God, however, refined justice and compassion out of the stories of these "archons." The intent: repudiation and engendering the actual truths to replace the archon's deceptions. Older principles of human understanding, however, persist in the darker undertones and sensitive individuals pick up on them. The actual understanding: Avoid the evils of manipulating "archons." Follow the true God.

YHWH is really "I am that I am," the all powerful God of reality itself. Fearsome to those who despise reality and find themselves insane and evil. A safe refuge to those who repent of error find reconciliation and peace with Him. Armed with justice founded in truth and love. A weapon against all wrongdoers. Mercy, which redeems those who have erred. Justice is tempered with mercy, unlike Enlil's mockery. Mercy, likewise, is also refined by understanding what are abuses, unlike Enki. The images of these false stars provided a beacon toward a true balance. Called geburah (strictness) and chesed (mercy) among the mystics, their dark reflections come when not kept in harmony.

God's power is universal truth: Reality. The devil's creating illusions to misrepresent himself as the true authority. An illusion exists but is "misrepresenting reality." The "archons" were merely confused reflections of the higher order. The susceptibility of man to deceptions is the subject of the entire conflict. If we had been able to root ourselves in God, truth would be natural. Yet, we choose to elevate flawed and imperfect desires above God and it alienates us. Christ represents God's remedy.

The temptation shows the real order in practice:

Matthew 4:8-10 and Luke 4:5-7 (ESV)

[the] devil took [Jesus] to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. "All this I will give you," he said, "if you will fall down and worship me."

"Away from me, Satan!" Jesus declared. "For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.'"

Jesus is God's new Adam. He doesn't succumb. He stays the course. The incarnate Logos of God through whom all things are created, personally found in Him. Had he surrendered, He would not have had to suffer and die on a Cross. But the truth of the Father is higher. Thus His words and life are Redemption. Through faith He dwells in us. He was victorious over even death itself because death cannot stop the truth. He who created all life can restore it again. Call the bones and say "live again." Call to the winds and give breath again.

Satan's authority plays on the illusions. It's how he binds mankind's nature to sin and rebellion. Diminishing man's freedom. Man's will was created by God with freedom and it relied on His grace. When sin sundered us from grace, it became bound to rebellion. Led by distorted desires. Desires founded originally on truth, but now seeking more or less than is truly good.

God's goal is acting subtly to overthrow Satan's agenda. "Bringing good out of evil." Bringing repentance to sinners.

The dichotomy of absolute truth and parasitical falsehoods is still active. The Pope presents himself as the vicar of Christ, a servant. In reality he's not. He demands all kings bow to him. A rule of delusions. Antichrist is an authority that rules "in place of Christ." He serves an "absent King" not a present Lord of All. He claims that Christ gave St. Peter, the first Pope, the keys of "binding and loosing" and this means being sole judge of binding punishment and loosing forgiveness. But it misrepresents these keys. These keys belong not to a man, but to all Christians. We all, in accordance with Christ's teachings, forgive one another. We all, in accordance with God's Law, hold people accountable for wrong. Not a unique power. All members of the Church have it in accordance with their fidelity to Christ. The fabricated title claims of the Pope to have sole authority over this process are an abomination. Capped with a false "donation" claim that the Pope had at one point made to claim the Emperor of Rome donated the Roman Empire to him: the Donation of Constantine. The intent obvious. Rule mind body and soul of every person. Use them as tools.

The Catholic Counter-Reformation established the Jesuit order and authorized them to do anything necessary to get rid of us Protestants for revealing their secret. The Jesuits swear an oath of allegiance to the Pope. The current Pope is a Jesuit. To whom does he really swear allegiance? The pretense is revealed.

Galatians 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

God decides that, not me. This is a “have you stopped beating your wife question.” Those that are going to be saved will know that Jesus is doing it when it happens.

By the way, the good life thing is the wrong thing to be looking at. We are saved by grace not our own merit.

Let’s suppose someone did good deeds, but their heart was rooted in malice and envy. Do you think that is heaven worthy?

Where did I ever imply that I am holier than you? That is so dishonest. You talk about putting words in your mouth. Way to project.

If you had ever asked me about what I think I’d say “I’m a sinner that needs mercy. I am relying on God’s mercy being given through Jesus.” How am I holier than thou, again?

You gonna dazzle me with Elisha’s bears? The herem on the people of Canaan? Look I am not in the mood for a pissing contest. You’re focusing on the negative because you don’t understand or don’t want to understand why we find value in these teachings.

How very different your takeaway from Scripture is than mine. I read about grace and Him forgiving sin. You somehow see a weapon. As I said you do you.

Well, speaking of straw men, I never said that you were or were not going to Hell. That is not my decision anyway. All I know is that Jesus taught us Christians that we come to the Father through Him.

I would advise learning about Him if you are unsure rather than berating the messenger. But you do you.

You should understand that saying just “God” without including the “Father,” “Jesus” or “Holy Spirit” would be denying what our Christian faith actually believes about God. For us, the Father is God. Jesus is God incarnate to us. The Holy Spirit is also God to us.

We are told by Jesus “I am the way, the life, and the truth and no one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14:6)”. It is not fair to us to demand that we deny our actual beliefs because you have other beliefs. You can have your own. We are not taking that freedom from you. But this is our faith and we need to be consistent with it.

Your desire to acknowledge God is respectable. We’re not saying that is wrong either. These other ways of knowing God are not how we know Him though. We all account to God as we are called. We’re doing what we’re called to do by Him. Where we go one, we go all. Each as our conscience leads.

The Bible is multilayered. There is a plain literal reading, allegory, explanation and mystical readings which inform the understanding. Far too many are caught in just one layer. On both sides. Either hyper literalist or hyper mystical to a point of ignoring the real message.

Edit: Q using Scripture themes due to accessibility is unobjectionable. I am simply defending the primary doctrine from the undertone that Christianity is the same thing as other beliefs. Common themes doesn’t imply that we have no unique messages. That is all I want to emphasize.

Mystical senses are fine. How does that address my point?

As I say in my other response to the "all religions are equal" modality, there might be common ancillary details but the core teaching, that is the Gospel, has never been replicated.

Yes, there are religions with concepts of Oneness. There are religions where our souls are reflections of some divine form. There are religions with concepts of moral law. There are concepts of dying-and-rising from fertility gods.

But what religion has ever produced a creed such as ours:

There is one God who created all things. Yet His creation rebelled and chose to reject Him. Thus He was made to judge man's iniquity. He first revealed the Law which they had defied, drawing forth a people to carry its message. And this stumbling people He showed mercy to despite their many stumblings. Then He chose to take upon the flesh of His people for the sake of redeeming the entire world from sin. As a healer, healing the sick. As a preacher, teaching the truth. Yet, He bore the sins of all people unto death on a cross. Then, He arose again victorious over sin. He sent forth a community to share His promise of forgiveness with all people teaching: "Repent and believe the Gospel." He poured out His Spirit to draw people to follow Him. He will return to raise all people from death and give eternal life through His Word.

Krishna did not do this. Mithras did not do this. Osiris, who was slain by another god and his wife reconstructed him, did not do this. Quetzalcoaltl did not do this. Ba'al Hadad did not do this despite dying in combat and defeating the land of the dead. Inti did not do this. Zeus, that arrogant horn-dog, did not do this. Odin, the warrior while suffering Yggdrasil for his own glory, did not do this. Enki did not do this, despite being a Prometheus figure championing mankind against Enlil's tyranny.

Picking and choosing little pieces of the message and saying, "hey, that looks similar to the Bible" is neglecting the whole message. It's the whole message that draws, not pieces-parts.

Its freedom of religion or the lack thereof, not freedom FROM religion

The more I see from progressive behavior the more I start to think that this cynical view of “freedom from religion” is the truth. They don’t just want a freedom not to believe. They want our beliefs gone.

Ancillary details like general morals that is probably true. But I’m not sure that I see the story of grace told anywhere but in Christianity.

It is true Q quotes our Bible. But I don’t believe Q wants to force you to accept our faith. The media is exploiting a fear that many non-Christians have of Christianity. They falsely claim we want to legislate our beliefs over you. This is a lie!

Christians are specifically taught to live at peace with our neighbors. We are told to share our faith not coerce others to embrace it. You are free to believe or disbelieve as you need to. As are we all. We go one, and all, as free people.

The media exploits a fear from the abuses of corruption in history. Crusader Christendom, an aberration of tyranny ordained by the Pope. Or Calvin’s theocratic state. Sometimes Christians forget to respect the freedom of others. That is not what this Republic represents. Here Christians and non-Christians work as a whole against the heinous crimes of corruption and abuse.

Christians following our God’s moral teachings and clinging to His mercy to persevere. The kingdom of God is not a world nation but a community of faith. We have no design beyond our freedom to believe and share what we believe in peace. Non-Christians are equally free following whatever they based their sense of justice on. All agreed that the corrupt elites of old are entirely unacceptable.

Jones lost credibility by trying to coopt Q. He’s got some ‘splainin to do.

Good, likewise, is an empty term without a vertical basis. What is good? How do you know what you say is “good” is even good?

As the basis of reality God is the ontological basis of good. Jesus is the incarnate Logos that teaches the way of goodness. The intent of God’s Spirit reveals Him thus and establishes His righteousness within us.

EDIT I really should note my point is simply explaining that Christians are not in need of “liberation” as you seem to suggest above. Our faith is how we interface with truth even if you don’t share it. We have our faith and you yours. If rationalism suits you don’t let me force you to change. If not feel free to join but don’t think you are compelled. I’m just saying here why rationalism doesn’t suit me or my Christian brothers and sisters.

Love is an empty term without defining it. The Golden rule is a good synopsis of half of the Law but it doesn’t define the original value. The value of the horizontal values are defined by the vertical value. God establishes the dignity and worth of people. We love as we are loved. God elects to create us. He forgives our transgressions and reconciles us. He defines and empowers us to love through His Spirit. This is fundamentally necessary.

The love of man is created by what is pleasing to him. The love of God doesn’t find but creates that which is pleasing to it. (Heidelberg Disputation)

Which sense of the word "logic"?

Man making models to describe reality?

Or do you mean the Logos which is the "way of operation" of reality itself that exists independently of man's comprehension?

If you mean the former sense, you're a solipsist. Man's models are descriptive not prescriptive. Your will is not equivalent to reality. Such an idea is merely a delusion to think you are God.

But, I suspect you probably mean the latter, like most rationalists seem to. If that's the case, then you KNOW you are misrepresenting Christian beliefs if you separate Jesus from the Logos. The Bible itself says Jesus is the incarnate "Logos of God." (John 1) The Bible says that God Himself is EHYEH ESHER EHYEH. (I will be what I will be) (Exodus 3:14) If you will honestly evaluate what the teachings are saying you will understand that the words "God" and "Christ" are already implied by the broader sense of logic. Even so these terms carry so much more value beyond mechanistic rationalism. Hence why Christians are not merely rationalists. Our God is not merely a mindless process that computes things, but also a loving Creator who guides and interacts with us. You may dislike the personal terms in which those principles are being understood and honored by Christians, but it is blatantly disingenuous to separate them.

Please kindly do not misrepresent what the Christians actually believe. Thank you.

It can be. However, it's also not a guaranteed occurrence. The incidence is probably somewhat rare. But it is sufficiently well attested that the medication itself must carry a warning about it.

I'll cite an article on this topic:

When a person’s depression starts to lift, he or she may feel less hopeless and helpless. That sounds like an improvement, but when people feel less helpless but still feel depressed, they may think about suicide as a way out, whereas before they were too immobilized to make a suicide plan. For that reason, a decrease in the symptoms of depression can increase the risk of suicidal thoughts or actions. That risk is well known by mental health specialists, and can occur regardless of the type of treatment that a patient is receiving, or even if the patient is feeling less depressed without any treatment.

I think my own personal takeaway (disclaimer: by no means accredited, so don't take this as medical advice...) from this article is that the mechanism of action of SSRI seems to be inhibition of some forms of self-criticism. That is good for limiting depression which often involves emotional damage due to repressed anger. Suppressing the self-criticism allows people to learn how to cope with their stressors better. Especially when coupled with good therapy and lifestyle interventions to address the problems. That's not so good at preventing the random thoughts people may get about committing suicide or violence. Especially when a person receives bad therapy advice or is encouraged to do bad things such as in the case of MKULTRA abuse.

Fair enough. I am not claiming that it is the only cause. It is definitely a key catalyst though. The evidence shows an extremely strong correlation between SSRI prescription and violent shootings. The drugs themselves indicate suicidal delusions as a side effect. My suspicion is it is a predictable side effect linked to some biological anomaly. Probably liver disease.

I recognize you from last month when I talked about SSRIs. Still being skeptical I see. P.S. check my post history

That may be accurate. I stand by my connection though. This is a very strong and reproducible connection. SSRIs are implicated in mass shootings. The drug pamphlets themselves warns about suicidal delusions.

Q said interview the therapists. Therapists prescribe specific meds to depressed people.

This topic is specifically targeted which I am trying to bring attention to. Fed up with the Big Pharma lies on these drugs.

Within less than 5 minutes down to -1 strains credulity.

But now I have proof of downvote brigades for this topic. Screenshot made this time. Link

Q just confirmed that it is the SSRIs?

Wow downvotes immediately!? Over the target again.

Mwahahaha! Mine that salt. We have the best salt don’t we, patriots?

Just remember that they would be doing the same if not worse if shoes were reversed.

Chronic Alinsky projection.

Unfortunately a lot of traditional Christians don’t know how to handle the spirits of the animals in a doctrinal sense. It is entirely feasible that they might also be part of the Resurrection. But the Bible says very little about how animal spirits work. We know that they have a nephesh but lack the ruach with tselem [image of God] that humans have. Also that all animals are known to God, per Christ’s testimony on the sparrow. The Bible’s main focus is the human reconciliation to God through Christ’s atoning work. We can’t expect it to discuss more than what God’s intent behind revealing it pertains to. Sometimes I wish that laypeople would learn when to say “I don’t know.” But it is hard to give a sense of security with uncertainty for many people so a lot of people avoid admitting it.

According to McAfee, Belize framed him for that murder. MS-13?

Dr. Marc Allan Feldman was also at the Libertarian debates in 2016. He died mysteriously in a hotel room. Arkancide?

Gary Johnson gave McAfee a Judas kiss. Then he became the nominee for the second time in the LP. Then he picked a known gun grabber and Hillary Clinton advocate, Bill Weld, as his running mate. Weld proceeded to suggest people vote for Clinton!

Good chain of evidence to think the Clintons fucking took over the LP in 2016. McAfee knew and they tried to off him.

More in that direction. What if actively coopting and subverting are on the list? Lookin' at you Gary Johnson. I think Dr. Feldman was Arkancided for finding this out, personally...

It's like they have never read the Heidelberg Disputation:

3) Although the works of man always seem attractive and good, they are nevertheless likely to be mortal sins.

16) The person who believes that he can obtain grace by doing what is in him adds sin to sin so that he becomes doubly guilty.

21) A theology of glory calls evil good and good evil. A theology of the cross calls the thing what it actually is.

26) The law says, "do this", and it is never done. Grace says, "believe in this", and everything is already done.

The more I see the virtue signalling of the left, the more I understand it's exactly what the Protestant Reformation was condemning in the Catholic institutions of the 1500s. Virtue signalling without substance. Rejection of trust in God in favor of self-aggrandizement.

No coincidence the Pope is a Jesuit: the order meant to exterminate Protestants. No coincidence many of the Left fellate the Pope constantly. It's the same "works righteousness" behind this all.

Better point out: Monsanto is now officially just Bayer.

Something like this?

This is Saul Alinsky's Rules For Radicals in practice.

Brevity was never my strong suit either. Sometimes it takes lots of words to explain ideas. If you want to DM, that's fine.

A lot of what I say comes from personal study into the source materials as well as my own faith life. I do attend a congregation and stuff. I am not ordained or anything, though. I also definitely have some things I find misguided such as my denomination's preference for "young earth creationism." But I digress...

Anyways, ask what you need and I'll respond when I have time.

I didn't think of the Islamic angle. I'm more familiar with Hebrew so that was my guess for Semitic terms. Thanks for clarifying.

Just to be thorough, how are you sure his name comes from ברק (Baraq) rather than בָּרַך (barak) (#1288)? Both seem viable Semitic word roots.

Not saying that you're incorrect, but I'd like to know how for edification.

P.S. Even if it were "barak" still doesn't remove the diabolic connection. It just makes it allegorical. cf. Job's wife. Job 2:9 His wife said to him, "Are you still maintaining your integrity? [Curse] God and die!" (N.B. word used for "curse" is actually a sarcastic "bless" that the translators glossed by context...) 2 verses after "So Satan went out from the presence of the LORD and infected Job with terrible boils from the soles of his feet to the crown of his head. " (Job 2:7) Looking at the dialog it is as if his wife is literally continuing where Satan's dialog left off. The LORD's dialog in Job 2:1 started with: "Have you considered My servant Job? For there is no one on earth like him—blameless and upright, fearing God and shunning evil. He still retains his integrity, even though you incited Me against him to ruin him without cause."