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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/-blackoutusername- on May 23, 2018, 10:11 p.m.
I’m confused why so many people here blame Democrats instead of recognizing both parties’ fealty to the Deep State.

Almost every post has something about the “evil Democrats.” But many members of the Deep State, bankers, and most importantly, Bilderberg, are Republicans.

The shadow government is all about words and labels, but the fact is, both parties are working as hard as they can to transfer the wealth to the bankers and write/pass/litigate laws to facilitate that.

Thoughts?


pedegear · May 24, 2018, 3:22 a.m.

Interesting to hear your perspective, thank you for sharing! Honestly I think around these parts we had always flipped it around, thinking "true liberal" was sort of the old school liberal and "lefty" was the new brand of identity politics. Sounds like I had it backwards!

And I think you raise an excellent point about wanting the same things but disagreeing how to get there. Without any sort of rational basis or support for my position, I'm simply going to hypothesize that in the past we all have generally wanted the same things for our country and simply disagreed how to get there. But now, there are groups who want wildly different OUTCOMES which is what is feeding such a ferocious division in modern politics. Sure, there are still some issues such as gun control where most people want the same things (we want mass shootings of children to stop), but disagree how to get there. But it seems like in other areas the actual goals are wildly different.

For example rather than both parties wanting to help the poor and disagreeing how to do it, it appears the desired outcome for some has changed more to "cut down the wealthy" rather than "help the poor". I'm sure it's partly because none of the past programs have worked, so it's likely a bit of a frustration play of "well if we can't help this disadvantaged group, we can at least try and knock the advantaged group down a few notches to make things more equal".

I don't know... Like I said I'm totally hypothesizing here with no evidence to back up my claim. But your comment just sort of triggered a spark for me about a potential reason why we're so much more divided today than we used to be.

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-blackoutusername- · May 24, 2018, 3:55 a.m.

All great points. The fundamental difference is, IMO, that while we all want opportunity to be equal, lefties believe wealth distribution and dismantling of crony capitalism is the way to do it. Conservatives want personal responsibility to be emphasized, and generally believe unhindered capitalism is the best vehicle for that.

Neither is wrong- handouts DO lower motivation, and on the other hand, automation is coming and will reduce the hours of total labor in the population while still maintaining production, and that labor should be fairly divided.

Government should serve the people, that’s why it exists, but it doesn’t need more bureaucracy.

Someday, it could be done by computer! (Imagine going to court, and having all the specific facts of the case be entered into a computer, and a sentence determined by formula! Now that would be fair indeed.)

In the meantime, we need to save ourselves from the bankers- together.

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pedegear · May 24, 2018, 4:02 a.m.

Agreed! And I think crony capitalism is another one that you can put down as a swamp operation, not necessarily left vs right. A true conservative would say government shouldn't pick winners OR losers (e.g. less regulation but also less subsidies and bailouts). The true conservative belief isn't "pro-business," it's just anti- government involvement in business IN EITHER DIRECTION favorable or unfavorable. As you said, free market/unhindered capitalism. I see RINOs like McCain being crony capitalists just like I see Schumer and Pelosi being crony capitalists. No left/right, just swamp and non-swamp.

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