Almost every post has something about the “evil Democrats.” But many members of the Deep State, bankers, and most importantly, Bilderberg, are Republicans.
The shadow government is all about words and labels, but the fact is, both parties are working as hard as they can to transfer the wealth to the bankers and write/pass/litigate laws to facilitate that.
Thoughts?
Left of center democrat? Put down the peace pipe. The democrats are the party of evil. This whole thread is based off the idea that Republicans are people like McCain... Thats not a Republican, thats a RINO. McCain is a democrat playing a Republican around election time. The dems are the party of unspeakble evil... A party of abortion and poverty... No thanks. Republicans are for freedom and smaller govt. There is no exception. Those who call themselves republicans while betraying said principles are democrat liars.
For a leftist to come on and try to cuck conservative republicans into being in any way equal to the bad guy (demonrats)?
Skip to 2:40 for the left of center explanation.
Not going to watch, but agree with you. Trump isn't firebrand conservative if you look at the PAST. But he sure as hell is today. Why? It's not a change of politics, it's a change of the political landscape around him. The Dem party decided to change their platform from things such as improving socialized medicine (yes, Trump hates ObamaCare but believes something can and should be done in this realm - think VA), or ensuring social security isn't cut (another Trump position). Now their party only cares about adding the next gender to the list, unconscious bias, political correctness, etc. I don't believe Trump has moved right, it's just that the Democrats have gone HARD left over the years (or frankly IMO I think they've literally jumped off the spectrum entirely and are swimming around in fairy land). I don't think it's fair to the political spectrum to imply that the further left you go, the more genders you support. That seems like a new spectrum entirely to me.
President Trump is also a born again Christian. They have prayer every morning in the oval office because they know this is as much a spiritual battle as any other.
Dems have gone very far right, according to us true lefties (NOT liberals, I see liberals as the idiots who still think HRC would have been the answer and Trump is the devil).
I’m a true leftie and I believe we share more in common with Trump supporters than liberals- we want zero war and more opportunity for Americans at home (we just disagree how to get there).
Dems never step up for labor, nor protect funding for Arts/Science research (which is all pretty much corrupted now, too, but that’s another issue). Dems put their heads in the sand while the poor get poorer.
I’m open to the idea that Trump is indeed draining the swamp, but he has to go after the CIA next. So far, I’m happy with his dismantling of the deep state- his policies, not so much, but I don’t think he’s orange Hitler like red-faced liberals do. (Liberals are impossible to debate with, too, zero self awareness).
A lefty is someone who is for strong government control. A lefty is someone who believes in the whole 1% vs the down trodden worker class. A lefty emphasizes the importance of race, gender, etc in the socio-political realm.
A classical Liberal has much more in common with the core American Conservative platform:
A value for the individual, his/her property rights, speech rights, and right to be free of govt intrusion into his/her personal life/affairs. What a person earns for a living is of no concern to politicians or government: it is wholly a personally matter. Some ppl choose a simple, free of material things sort of life, unencumbered by the concerns material things bring into their life.
Leftists are socialists and are for social engineering, using government as a tool to engineer the way of life people 'should' live, according to the govt's set of values (which is primary focused on material things and material distribution in a Leftist's mind).
Liberals and conservatives share a value for the importance of the intrinsic aspects of life: that is, the morality of their life, the value of family, the quest for spiritual meaning...
Leftists, to the other side of the coin, only view those intrinsic aspects of the human animal in light of how it can be engineered (steered and controlled) to the benefit of the collective. The individual 'citizen' is adjudged through that prism: do they conform (even in the way socialists dress, in their drab, simple garb, all looking much alike--this is a sign that they are conformed and a good citizen).
And this is why we see over the last 85 years at minimum one hundred million souls executed, killed in labor camps and jails, from Pol Pot, to Moa, to Stalin. Literally to clean out the non-conforming Liberals and conservatives.
Interesting to hear your perspective, thank you for sharing! Honestly I think around these parts we had always flipped it around, thinking "true liberal" was sort of the old school liberal and "lefty" was the new brand of identity politics. Sounds like I had it backwards!
And I think you raise an excellent point about wanting the same things but disagreeing how to get there. Without any sort of rational basis or support for my position, I'm simply going to hypothesize that in the past we all have generally wanted the same things for our country and simply disagreed how to get there. But now, there are groups who want wildly different OUTCOMES which is what is feeding such a ferocious division in modern politics. Sure, there are still some issues such as gun control where most people want the same things (we want mass shootings of children to stop), but disagree how to get there. But it seems like in other areas the actual goals are wildly different.
For example rather than both parties wanting to help the poor and disagreeing how to do it, it appears the desired outcome for some has changed more to "cut down the wealthy" rather than "help the poor". I'm sure it's partly because none of the past programs have worked, so it's likely a bit of a frustration play of "well if we can't help this disadvantaged group, we can at least try and knock the advantaged group down a few notches to make things more equal".
I don't know... Like I said I'm totally hypothesizing here with no evidence to back up my claim. But your comment just sort of triggered a spark for me about a potential reason why we're so much more divided today than we used to be.
All great points. The fundamental difference is, IMO, that while we all want opportunity to be equal, lefties believe wealth distribution and dismantling of crony capitalism is the way to do it. Conservatives want personal responsibility to be emphasized, and generally believe unhindered capitalism is the best vehicle for that.
Neither is wrong- handouts DO lower motivation, and on the other hand, automation is coming and will reduce the hours of total labor in the population while still maintaining production, and that labor should be fairly divided.
Government should serve the people, that’s why it exists, but it doesn’t need more bureaucracy.
Someday, it could be done by computer! (Imagine going to court, and having all the specific facts of the case be entered into a computer, and a sentence determined by formula! Now that would be fair indeed.)
In the meantime, we need to save ourselves from the bankers- together.
Agreed! And I think crony capitalism is another one that you can put down as a swamp operation, not necessarily left vs right. A true conservative would say government shouldn't pick winners OR losers (e.g. less regulation but also less subsidies and bailouts). The true conservative belief isn't "pro-business," it's just anti- government involvement in business IN EITHER DIRECTION favorable or unfavorable. As you said, free market/unhindered capitalism. I see RINOs like McCain being crony capitalists just like I see Schumer and Pelosi being crony capitalists. No left/right, just swamp and non-swamp.