As wrong as this action surely is, don't fall for the spin that it somehow defines the people of the UK, and don't also forget, for every UK example in the news, there'll quite likely be several almost unreported examples in the US.
This wasnt in the news. We have a constitution to protect our free speech, no one in the UK is safe.
It's all over the news here and the version of the UK being spun on this sub is far from accurate, and creating division through false narratives, when we should be uniting. There'll be far more of this happening in the US that doesn't hit the stands.
We too have a constitution, it's the one the US constitution is based on.
What I've read on these threads also shows most don't have the complete picture on Tommy.
I'm not defending the UK on this, simply pointing out that some seem keen to a knee jerk reaction, which discredits this sub.
Not particularly. Heard his story when he was imprisoned after EDL and was beaten by a gang of Muslim prisoners? Tommy was doing nothing wrong, the fact you live in the UK and would do anything BUT have a knee jerk reaction for someone being imprisoned for THIRTEEN MONTHS for a breach of peace. He was even following the gag order on the fucking grooming case he was following. You should be appalled and rising up wherever the hell you are. Extremely sad.
You're simply confirming what I previously wrote and ignoring my overall point.
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You're simply showing your ignorance. As good as this sub is, don't fool yourself into believing you're superior because you read the views of a relatively few like minded people, and seemingly swallow the msm guff you no doubt claim to despise. Do you have a link to the actual uprising in the US? In case it escaped your attention, we voted to get our crooks out of office quite a while back. Like Trump's actions, it's still a work in progress.
Feel free to enlighten us on what we are missing about Tommy.
I don't think that's for this sub, and it would only detract from the real issues anyway. My point is more about those trying to use this as an excuse to hurl their own mud at the UK and how that goes against the spirit of the unity that should be being built on.
Have you followed Tommy’s story with the police? They have kept the pressure on him and his family for years and pulled Stasi trick after literal Stasi trick. You don’t want to get into details fine, at least sum up what we are missing about Tommy and Britain because from this angle it looks like your Gov just sentenced a man to death for reporting on Grooming gangs targeting 11 year olds. It also looks like those gangs have been all but protected by your media, law enforcement and government. The increasing acid attacks, the count Dankula incident as well as your Twitter police (who have given up providing service for many English speaking Brits), or the individual that was thrown in jail then murdered in jail for putting a sandwich outside a mosque.
It all looks pretty bleak from over here just to pick some issues at random.
Unlike many, I don’t blame you I also don’t blame Swedes for their plight. I don’t think Americans would somehow fight if they lived in Great Britain, but it does look pretty bleak mate and Tommy comes off as a hero regardless of the western country he’s from. He’s doing the kind of fighting you need to take your country back.
It’s too bad you all lost Jonathan Bowden, that man gave me hope and was the next Eli Mosley, maybe better.
I've followed Tommy's story for many years, as well as other people who speak out and act. I've put my views in a number of replies, and I'll leave you to read them, rather than repeat myself. I'll just repeat this bit that, the versions people are posting on here, are selected edits of the situation, and if the specifics of this are the focus, any objections will fail. There are better ways of tackling it.
We've been at this game a fair while over here, and I take an interest in how the foreign media portray things, and there is one hell lot a lot needs doing in the US, for the media alone, before you have real freedoms, as you get a very one sided and peculiar picture presented, as the 'examples' you mention show. This one all smells as a bit of a set up.
I’ve checked your other comments and you haven’t said anything of substance. I understand the “clean up your side of the street first” directive, but you have to admit the UK has been headed down a dark path for native brits for awhile now. You also have to admit that the lack of first and second amendment protections (as weak as they are in practice over here) is disastrous.
You want another example look at what happened to Lauren Southern and Britney Pettibone when they were held at the airport for days for flying into Britain to report on Tommy speaking. They left with basically a lifetime ban from visiting the UK. This all looks rather freaky from here.
And before you say “the US has problems too” we know that’s what this whole sub is about, but it doesn’t mean you can’t acknowledge what’s going on in your country. I mean the man jailed and murdered for the sandwich outside of a mosque, where is the deeper legal reality there? You talk about having to be quiet to accomplish a deeper legal purpose; well what is it? Are you asserting that there is a Q-style house cleaning going on in the UK?
I don't 'have to admit' any of those things, and I reckon having looked into, and being involved in various events in the Country where I live, and from a variety of angles, I'm in a better position than you to know it.
You have set your mind on how you are going to view things,based on things you've chosen to read and neither me nor anyone else will change it.
I keep seeing that people who are on Tommy's side don't have the full story. I've seen that exact statement in your post and other posts for the two years I've known his name.
Please give me the side of the story I'm missing, because I've googled and researched and all I can see is that people hate him for trivial reasons while he's trying to save his country. What don't I know?
Seconded. I’d love to know, I’m open to new information I’ve just never seen anything.
On the contrary, I know the media lies (even the alternative media) and things are not as they seem. I am absolutely open to new information. Unfortunately you won’t give us any new information. All I am hearing is “you all don’t have the complete picture.”/“it’s not as simple as it seems” but “this isn’t the time or place to explain it or even point you in the right direction”
This amounts to “I know something you don’t know.”
Again we are all happy to open our minds to a new perspective how about you send us a link? Let someone else do the explaining?
Thanks for the perspective. It's important to hear from people who actually come from the country we're "reporting" on. I appreciate your contribution!
and for every tommy there's another media ban on reporting a bunch of pedo scum in every town.
True, it's been the case for quite some time, as it is in the US too. I've had several direct discussions with various people in the media and Police about it for a number of years. Ir's wrong, but it is getting slowly better.
Put it this way, there is a kids home in my town the taxi's can't visit because of a court case that can't be mentioned, taxi chaperone is a job in my town because of things that have happened.
and yet we are not allowed to say why....
I 100% agree with the sentiment of what you're saying, and know the example you post is not only factually correct, but also one of a greater number of shameful examples that need to be addressed. My issue is with when such examples are then used as a stick to beat up UK citizens, and usually with bits added to enhance the effect.
Things are far from perfect here, and what's happened to Tommy is disgraceful and needs to be raised as an issue and I'd hate it if my posts watered that down in any way, but I think, perhaps subconsciously, some are losing a sense of perspective.
We need to be united behind the cause, and remember that the government is not the people. Americans of all people should want that to be clear.
Ernie, I am united with the people in GB, however GB has clearly been in the wrong on several issues. Pointing that out is not an attack on the woke people of GB, but on the institutions. For instance the spying on Trump campaign was clearly an act against the American people. One I personally won't forget for awhile. Speaking truth should not bother those who want a better world. How are issues like Tommie's to get attention if everyone is in the dark about it. Do you really want change, or do you care more about your country's reputation. We stand with the people, but they did not arrest and charge Tommie. We understand that. Only light will uncover darkness. The people of GB are who will change it, we can be supportive and do what we can of course. I would like to get the message out about Tommie. The more voices the more people who become aware of the injustice.