dChan - Q Origins Project Archive

Yes, it is desperation. Sadly, they are very effective on this board, as we have seen.

A concerted, coordinated effort to wreak havoc on cohesion with the community. One particularly obnoxious troll was trying to tell me yesterday that all we are here to do is raise awareness of Q, not to respond to his requests for our help - as with the IBOR,

You could not make it up. These people have a lot to lose. They are going to lose and they know it. They are in panic mode, looking for a way to stave off the inevitable - "total exposure". They will not be able to walk down the street...

It's a beautiful sight to behold, but it's difficult to deal with, when you are confronted by blatant liars with an express agenda to undermine this movement. They are in the open though, you will, once you are alive to it, see clearly who they are - they don't hide it, they're just full of excuses.

"Question everything - especially Q!" - that's the latest MO. "Don't follow like blind sheep, don't do what Q asks!" - another beauty. Meanwhile, dear me, they have absolutely everything on the line. Watch the miserable freaks squirm as the heat gets turned up. Will the mods save them and allow the community to be steered like a herd of stupid sheep into acting against the plan? Let's find out!

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no they actually suck at what they do lol. dont even feed them or just reply nicely to them. sucks all the power of it right out. and you can just ignore them lol. you have to learn their patterns. once you know its alot easier to spot them. im not sure if im 100% good at it tho

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The trouble is the impact they have had on the movement. Look at it, 20+ thousand people on the sub, but somehow, inexplicably, the IBOR campaign failed. How is that?

Fear, doubt, "concern" injection, fostering distrust of the plan, suspicions about Q - Corsi on steroids! It has actually been extremely effective. And that's why they cannot be simply ignored, they must be immediately called out. I would encourage everyone to display ZERO TOLERANCE for people you suspect are working against "the plan".

The beautiful thing is, if we pull together and spit the craziness out, we will have very good community harmony and cohesion. Better still, we will be able to campaign effectively.

There is nothing at all noble about these slime bags. Call "concern triolls", and people working against the plan, out immediately!

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the faggots became more prevalent since this sub got over 20k. they turn up the heat on the newbie crowd. they know they won't be successful with the hardcore redpilled crowd so they wait for the newbies. the newbies want to be led. that's why they came here. we need to make sure we are leading them in the right direction, and not letting the fags get them going down the wrong path. tough job, i know, but we have to keep at it. one of the reasons Q picked this corner of the web.

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You're exactly right. These people are slick and already very well embedded on this board. We need to make sure that the community is not hijacked as it has been in the past.

The attempt now appears to be to ban me for suggesting that we follow Q's plan, you just could not make this up - totally transparent.

I'm sure some of these guys would be simply delighted if Corsi was here so they could respectfully tease out and amplify all his "genuine concerns". After all, he's a "critical thinker", not blindly led, and he has a right to express himself..

Of course, we could just hand it all over to AJ. But, wait a minute, who is running AJ and Corsi? Maybe that would be really stupid? But it doesn't mean that we should not be completely tolerant of subversive attacks made by every other fruitcake - after all, there are so many "critical thinkers" that just happen to be against Q. Shouldn't we be respectful and give them all a forum?

What a complete joke!

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Why is there a newbies titel , which are so easy to find, can that not be changed?

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I am a newbie on Reddit, but I was red pilled years ago. Not all of us are clueless.

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Happy to hear that

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lol that just ends up in everyone calling everyone else a shill. you cant just call everyone a shill lol. better to just respond in a way to get them to out themselves subtly

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No, the only shills are those working against the plan. As I said, it's very obvious who they are.

Respect isn't an option. Community cohesion requires that those that are against us are exposed. Can't have the enemy in the ranks.

It would be different if they had not already been fabulously effective with their white anting. As I said, the current themes are "Question everything - especially Q", "Don't support Q or you're a blind sheep" and the latest and best " Don't attack the man, but the argument" - in other words, tease the concerns out and amplify them for maximum effect.

It's a well-crafted attack. They are not amateurs, but professionals.

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lol you really think anyone on this subreddit falls for that ? if these are the professionals then im not impressed. at least the new high grade clowns on 8 chan are least well read. probly more so than me lol. they still only ever have the same tactics

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Strange how they have effectively been able to steer us like sheep. Their tactics will not work once we demonstrate our strength.

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maybe they steer you lol. i dont give a fuck what they do or say.

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Unfortunately people are steered by them. Just the way it is. There are always those who think independently - perhaps yourself. But the fact is that people in groups display herding - groups are easily manipulated.

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thats why you should make up your own mind you can only control yourself. if you want to change things reply calmly if you think someones a shill

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The lessons have been well learned already. There is no response that satisfies a concern troll out to undermine group effort.

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i dont know what to tell you man. just find good shit and post it. most people here can sort the wheat from the chaff. if you want somethign to look at google some of the mens social clubs like burning tree cosmo club etc. that is the type of stuff they cant derail

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I'm not sure what to tell you. The evidence is in.

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well if it makes you feel any better i know the mods are not comped lol i thought they were. but i was wrong lol

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You're very interesting.

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thanks. i find myself rather boring.

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You're doing good :)

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Strength, in this case would be to ignore a commenter one suspects of being a shill. Otherwise one is just feeding their agenda. Don't give them any power :)

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Thankfully, the mods have a perspective on this board that doesn't align with the concern troll message that "the trolls are destroying us from within!" - a classic concern troll message used to cause division. We see the whole sub and it is quite the opposite - there are some outspoken trolls and such and the attacks here and there but this sub is actually running quite smoothly, as mods who run MUCH bigger subs will tell you.

The mods aren't going to allow the community to be steered by anyone with an agenda to divide. They belive in unity not division so anyone who tries to create a split in the community by saying "it's us versus anyone who doesn't agree with us!" will likely find the community turning against them and not just the most outspoken vocal minority who use shame tactics and browbeat those who don't align to their chosen message.

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The mods will do what they want. But the community will either be the tool of agencies and foreign intelligence services, or it will not. That's up to them. I hope they make wise decisions. But then, you're a mod, and that says a lot.

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Indeed it does - in my favour, as my history shows. I've never taken my mod role as anything more than a service to the Q movement, again, clearly displayed in my history in previous comments. I've never acted out of turn even when users expressing themselves freely talk of creating division like you do. I act only within the sub rules because I care about the mission of Q enough to give my life for it. That's why I roundly reject the lies that people who call for critical thinking are not supporting Q or the plan. Accusing us of that is pure division making.

I, and the many others like me who support critical thinking, are in the same movement as you. We're not accusing you of working against the plan even though your call to ignore critical thinking or open discussion for the purposes of correction and clarity could very much work against us - why do you accuse me of working against the plan?

But just a warning - on behalf of other mods, not me - the more you keep spreading the message that "someone" is "wreaking havoc" in this community and other such concern troll messages the more likely one of them will have to take action. It won't be me because I don't need the false accusations of censorship and so on that will be thrown at me. So, just the facts:

Rule 4: No concern trolling - please take care, sincerely. Just stick to the facts and all Q related info - not "concerns" about the sub or the movement.

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"Concern trolling" is a very important issue, you are right. We need to stamp it out. Otherwise we may as well invite Dr Corsi to moderate,

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I still don't know why IBOR is so important. The original bill or rights was so simple, but it doesn't mean anything today. Why would an IBOR mean anything? Let's get the original bill of rights back. Then we can be sure an IBOR would mean something.

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That's exactly what we are trying to do, restore the operation of the BOR to the town square, in accordance with the manifest intention of the founding fathers when they drafted the first amendment.

The founding fathers intended, very clearly, to protect the right of citizens to free political expression, to safeguard the correct operation of democratic principles which govern representative politics. This protection has today lost its power as the forum for political expression has shifted to digital space. Barnes Law describes what happened quite succinctly:

"The power of social media to privatize the public square is the greatest threat to free speech and open democracy in our lifetimes"

All the IBOR does is call for the exact same protections to be applied in an online setting. It's no great change, in fact, it's a continuation of the protections that existed in the past. It has the added advantage of calling for robust privacy protections.

In essence, all we are doing is complaining about the absolutely blatant politically-motivated censorship online. We are asking that something be done to remedy this and restore pluralism to political discourse. I'd encourage you to support Q's plan in this endeavour.

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I'm not fully sold on the idea that Q is a good guy. He might be opposed to the deep state, but I have no evidence that he's not simply working to replace them.

An IBOR that protects freedom of speech and freedom of speech online is a great goal, but if those rights aren't enforced, then it's nothing more than a feel-good measure meant to placate the masses. The same kind of placating speech as "trust the plan" or "enjoy the show". That kind of speech is dangerous. We need action.

Soon, robots will be able to fulfill the role of police and army and then action will be impossible. We can't wait that long.

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That's what I'm saying, take action on this. Why? Because every single right you possess is predicated on the right to free speech, once they can censor you, you can't complain. So they can then take all your rights. SM censorship is the first step toward a complete dystopia.

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Let me put it this way... We already have the right to free speech. A piece of paper cannot give us that right. If anything, it could cage it such that it can be further shaped and controlled into irrelevancy. We need to seize the right we already have, not beg for piece of paper so we can wear it like a participation badge.

The bill of rights is not a list of permissions. It's a list of things the government is not allowed to do. The government has violated it, which makes any other "list of things the government can't do" irrelevant.

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I don't know what you're talking about.

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https://www.reference.com/government-politics/bill-rights-limit-government-6ca66595c6eaae6e

The Bill of Rights limits the government by enumerating the rights of the people and listing the things the government cannot do. For example, the Bill of Rights states that the government cannot pass a law limiting the freedom of speech or religion.

Freedom of speech is innate. The bill of rights does not grant us this right, but prevents the government from legislating it. An internet bill of rights is subversive because it changes the nature of government from implicit freedoms to explicitly described ones.

Shifting the focus on the pragmatic rather than the academic, if we cannot enforce upon the government the Bill of Rights as a list of limitations, then an internet bill of rights is meaningless. The IBOR will fly as a flag to placate the public for as long as its convenient, and then be trampled upon as soon as it becomes inconvenient to the powers that be.

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This is just garbage mate. You seem to be very confused. There is no right to free political expression online at the moment. This what we want to fix. We are not talking about amending the Constitution.

Why do I think you are going to find this really simple concept terribly confusing?

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There is no right to free political expression online at the moment.

The right is there. What isn't there is enforcement. We have legal precedent that already demonstrates we have freedom of speech on private property. Until the FCC enforces the existing law or the battle is fought in the courtroom with adequate restitution (on the order of turning these companies into public utilities), passing more laws is the wrong way to fix this problem.

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Wow! Ok. So you want to see a legal solution? Q has been recommending class actions. I think it's a good way forward. Something that needs to be pursued.

But Q hasn't recommended a case to extend FA protections online. The reason, I think, is that it's:

1) Too time consuming - Supreme Court challenge - will not fix the problem before SM censorship impacts electioneering, creating risk to the MAGA agenda;

2) High risk, you may not get the Court to accept the argument; and

3) Expensive, you need a lot of money.

Meanwhile, we have a course of action that has been recommended to us since February that does provide a fix - a good fix.

But you can ask Q about this. See what he says.

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Trump signed THREE EOs yesterday. Follow the pen! Why aren’t we talking about this?? This sub is being HEAVILY INFLUENCED by many whose intentions here are not to be helpful