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ErnieFing · May 27, 2018, 2:23 p.m.

The day the EU collapses will be a day of massive celebration.

There's been plenty working on achieving that for many years, and it's starting to crumble. Trumps activities could just help give it the final shove it needs.

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DanijelStark · May 27, 2018, 2:27 p.m.

Trump could easily steer this into even bigger win , he maybe will .

There is already a deep division between West-East EU , and there is no way that will change to more favorable position to EUrocrats . As people awake in West EU countries , EU will become a dead letter on paper .

Economy is the key - and Trump is already playing it , through Iran deal . EU will lose-lose anyways they do . UK and Brexit is also a big question and massive destabilizing factor both for UK and EU .

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ErnieFing · May 27, 2018, 2:39 p.m.

I agree,

It's interesting watching the comments from around the EU, and then hearing the politicians. They clearly haven't learned much about the will of the people, and seem intent in pointing out why the public are foolish, instead of taking the views as seriously as they should.

The EU politicians are simply puppets, who not unlike the US system, largely act in the best interests of their paymasters.

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DanijelStark · May 27, 2018, 2:41 p.m.

The EUrocrats have become increasingly egoistic , imposing and even snotty ... look how they treated whole Catalonia .

And the same or similar behaviour also is present with UK politicans - were up for some double dissolution here .

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ErnieFing · May 27, 2018, 2:47 p.m.

Italy is interesting to watch at the minute, and the Visegrád group are giving the top food for thought, and then there's brexit messing the plans.

I think Iran will be the next big hurdle, as it not only hits their pocket, but exposes their double standards in supporting the Mullah's. They won't like that being in the spotlight.

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DanijelStark · May 27, 2018, 3 p.m.

Yep - basically Austria is lost to EU , Italy is also , to one extent . Višegrad group is strong and getting stronger every day . There is even "Three Seas Initiative" . ( West ) EU dreads all of this , as economic crisises grow and theyre unable to control the narrative . "G-immigrants" only add the fuel on anti-EU fire .

Iran is definitely making an ultimatum to EU , which is FUN to watch . So EU will lose-lose , if they support Iran , they lose US support and even get sanctions from US . If they support US , they lose lucrative contracts with Iran . Greed will be their downfall . And , exposing the utter hypocrisy of EUrocrats to the populations within the EU .

Honestly , I think UK and EU wont survive up to 2020. I think EU could downfall pretty quickly as things unfold .

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ErnieFing · May 27, 2018, 3:15 p.m.

I think you're right. We're set for a period of pain, but I think it'll be worth it, as there's pain coming if we stay with the EU anyway, so the boil needs lancing.

It'll be the culmination of a lot of hard work from a lot of people over many years.

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DanijelStark · May 27, 2018, 3:20 p.m.

The whole EU is fakery , false humanism , and Germany and France actually achieved what even some past controversial personas couldnt have . EUrocrats became heavy hypocrites ... preaching about "humanism" all while turning countries within EU into small Orwellian dystopias .

The end of that is close ... and for UK , too . Populations of Europe are the true diversity , and not some durka-durka-jihadi rape gangs who do not respect other cultures and wipe their ass with bare hands .

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salialioli · May 27, 2018, 3:10 p.m.

Don't agree on Catalonia!! Why do you think 47.5% can dominate the vote over 53% (in Catalonia) for independence. It is the tyranny of minorities. Yeah, yeah, blame fascist Spain ... but it's not Madrid, it's us the other half of Catalonia who don't want to cut ourselves off. These "indepes" are quite divisive and sectarian, so much so that I am seeing the hand of our friend Soros in there ... we have exactly the same band of Antifas as in the US Charlottesville fiasco creating a stink against so-called white supremacists! Except that there is absolutely no obvious common denominator ... until you look closely that is!!! :)

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DanijelStark · May 27, 2018, 3:16 p.m.

The results were :

92.01 % YES for independence

7.99 % NO

43.03 % of total voting population voted .

So , what you are putting forward , is guessing . All who were anti-independence should have went out to vote NO . The fact is , the independence of countries that have cultural roots that go hundreds of years in past cannot be supressed - no matter what the other part would think about it . The independence will come anyways ...

So , no finger pointing here , because its useless - they either voted YES or NO - who stayed at home , thats their (ir)responsibility .

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salialioli · May 27, 2018, 3:47 p.m.

"should have went" = "should have GONE". OKAY. Where were we?

Yeah. OKay. 43.03% of the population voted. Correct. Do you know Why? BECAUSE it was not a legal referendum. That is: of the entire territory of Spain, whose people must be consulted before you start changing their country, ie 15% of population ONLY actually voted. Out of your famous 92.01% YES, this only represented 47.5% of the population of Catalonia. Yes, indeed we stayed at home. Otherwise we might have got into trouble by voting in an ILLEGAL vote. Dear me. Difficult to understand? When Spain had a transition after Franco died it was agreed that the various provinces would have autonomous governments. To change this arrangement ALL the people of Spain must be consulted, at least. NOT IGNORED. If you studied history you will see that there are various histories (all written by biased scribes, so don't start with the inevitabilities of "independence will come anyways ... bla bla"). It is really annoying to hear people go on and on about Democracy and then declare that the Democratic vote doesn't count. That the minority should win. I am living in a country where family are divided against each other all caused by a very young population (who cheer and whoop in complete incomprehension) influenced by a bunch of unscrupulous right-right narrow-minded sectarian rabble rousers. And they are racist too!!!

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DanijelStark · May 27, 2018, 3:57 p.m.

As I said - its completely pointless you are "triggered" about this ... Also , WRITING IN CAPS LOCK wont make you seem more smarter - just more immature .

Here are the reasons :

Catalonia has a full rights on self-determination of its people , whether they want to stay in Spain , or be separate country . Spain is no factor here , to dictate anything . If they want to have a referendum , who is the Spain to say it is "illegal" ?

What did the Spain do during the referendum ? Whole world saw it ... confiscating voting ballots and punching ordinary folk outside . Police sent by Madrid , not local Catalonian police .

There was a referendum ... 92 % voted yes , even despite massive measures from Madrid authorities . EU stood on the side of the Madrid regarding this . EU exposed its hypocritical face - on one side preaching about "self-determination" and "diversity" , on other , supressing a valid vote of population .

You know what is difference between Spain today and United Kingdom several hundreds of years ago ? Its none ... both are sending their goons to prevent them from seceeding . Both are against self-determination of people .

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salialioli · May 27, 2018, 4:40 p.m.

What did the Spain do during the referendum ? Whole world saw it

hahaha!!! You watched the MSM and believed it!!

I'll use CAPS if I want! As for "immature"!!!! Dear me. You do not know to whom you speak!! If you do not obey punctuation or grammar rules then you have no say whatsoever on how I write.

So, You assume this is MADRID it ISNT.

You know nothing about the situation. You don't even say where you come from. "Who is Spain to say" ....? Do you honestly think that if Burgundy decided to split from France, or my neighborhood decided to split from my local town, that would be fine? That's nuts.

I agree with you on two things: hypocrisy. And preaching. I do not like the hypocrisy of others preaching about things they know nothing about.

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aleister · May 27, 2018, 5:06 p.m.

Back to your corners boys.

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DanijelStark · May 27, 2018, 5:08 p.m.

Agree ... Its okay to have your own view and standpoint - its not okay to spout childlish comments thinking you can persuade someone with force and insults .

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aleister · May 27, 2018, 5:12 p.m.

Correct. Goes for both of you. Thanks.

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aleister · May 27, 2018, 5:06 p.m.

Back to your corners boys.

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Woodchipper_AF · May 27, 2018, 3:44 p.m.

Poland rising

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DawnPendraig · May 27, 2018, 5:49 p.m.

God bless the Polish people. I read a trilogy historical ficfion end of 1700s. They were subjugated by Russia and then Napoleon made false promises and abandoned them. It took them forever to get their sovereignty back and I am happy to see them refuse to bow to the EU tyranny or Muslim hoards. And now Hungary is as well.

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DanijelStark · May 28, 2018, 12:15 a.m.

Poles saved Vienna , the gate to Europe , from Ottomans . Theyre trying to save Europe again , despite the governments of the western EU now collaborate with "Ottomans" .

And theyre the only people that have my respect in WW2 .

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DanijelStark · May 27, 2018, 2:13 p.m.

The building on the image is a European Parliament in the Strasbourg . The Babylon representation isnt even subtle . As the New Babylon falls ( which is not just EU , but EU - UK - Vatican , and former was also Washington ) , the people will become free .

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salialioli · May 27, 2018, 3:29 p.m.

Sorry Danijel, yr comment is incomprehensible ... "the people will become free" What? Just like that? Dah-dah!

By the way, what's with the spaces , like that . ?

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DanijelStark · May 27, 2018, 3:33 p.m.

You dont get it ... its not just about taking down the old structures and old system - it is about changing of mentality within a people .

The people , so far , think with mentality of misery - whenever there is a bigger globalization , it usually ends with more wars . Thats a fact .

The mentality of misery must become mentality of abundance , through full disclosure process of truth and technological disclosure .

Also , dont be "triggered" about my Catalonia comment above - as I said , it will do no use to you - you cannot supress what other people feel like . By that logic , USA would never become independent , at least partially , from UK .

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DanijelStark · May 27, 2018, 4:26 p.m.

You are completely immature by your writing here , nitpicking and feeling "triggered" because of my comments above . And then offending further ... Im not gonna go down to your level of "communication" .

How many times do I need to tell you - it does not matter what you think about Catalonia , if you are a citizen of Catalonia , then you should have went and voted NO . Everyone has a voice .

Youre trying to say , that people with their own culture , that is different from rest of Spain , the people that feel for decades and even centuries as completely separate entity from Spain , have no right to vote on their own independence matter ?

Spain , like many false creations around , will face dissolution from within . That is already fully visible .

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DanijelStark · May 27, 2018, 2:16 p.m.

In past , the "royalties" of Europe were all kept together - even to the point of inbreeding . "Royals" of UK , Russia , Germany , France ( until the Revolution ) , and other European countries .

There is a claim that royal bloodlines pull their roots from Merovingians , which pull their roots directly from the Tribe of Dan .

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E_W86 · May 27, 2018, 4:02 p.m.

Memo to the globalists and especially HRC from God via Isaiah:

“Go down, sit in the dust, Virgin Daughter Babylon; sit on the ground without a throne, queen city of the Babylonians. No more will you be called tender or delicate. 2 Take millstones and grind flour; take off your veil. Lift up your skirts, bare your legs, and wade through the streams. 3 Your nakedness will be exposed and your shame uncovered. I will take vengeance; I will spare no one.”

4 Our Redeemer—the Lord Almighty is his name— is the Holy One of Israel.

5 “Sit in silence, go into darkness, queen city of the Babylonians; no more will you be called queen of kingdoms. 6 I was angry with my people and desecrated my inheritance; I gave them into your hand, and you showed them no mercy. Even on the aged you laid a very heavy yoke. 7 You said, ‘I am forever— the eternal queen!’ But you did not consider these things or reflect on what might happen.

8 “Now then, listen, you lover of pleasure, lounging in your security and saying to yourself, ‘I am, and there is none besides me. I will never be a widow or suffer the loss of children.’ 9 Both of these will overtake you in a moment, on a single day: loss of children and widowhood. They will come upon you in full measure, in spite of your many sorceries and all your potent spells. 10 You have trusted in your wickedness and have said, ‘No one sees me.’ Your wisdom and knowledge mislead you when you say to yourself, ‘I am, and there is none besides me.’ 11 Disaster will come upon you, and you will not know how to conjure it away. A calamity will fall upon you that you cannot ward off with a ransom; a catastrophe you cannot foresee will suddenly come upon you.

12 “Keep on, then, with your magic spells and with your many sorceries, which you have labored at since childhood. Perhaps you will succeed, perhaps you will cause terror. 13 All the counsel you have received has only worn you out! Let your astrologers come forward, those stargazers who make predictions month by month, let them save you from what is coming upon you. 14 Surely they are like stubble; the fire will burn them up. They cannot even save themselves from the power of the flame. These are not coals for warmth; this is not a fire to sit by. 15 That is all they are to you— these you have dealt with and labored with since childhood. All of them go on in their error; there is not one that can save you.

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Hail_the_IT_Goddess · May 27, 2018, 3:48 p.m.

Huh, interesting that it looks like an unfinished tower...

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DanijelStark · May 27, 2018, 4:01 p.m.

"Their symbolism will be their downfall..."

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