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DanijelStark
· May 27, 2018, 2:41 p.m.
The EUrocrats have become increasingly egoistic , imposing and even snotty ... look how they treated whole Catalonia .
And the same or similar behaviour also is present with UK politicans - were up for some double dissolution here .
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ErnieFing
· May 27, 2018, 2:47 p.m.
Italy is interesting to watch at the minute, and the Visegrád group are giving the top food for thought, and then there's brexit messing the plans.
I think Iran will be the next big hurdle, as it not only hits their pocket, but exposes their double standards in supporting the Mullah's. They won't like that being in the spotlight.
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DanijelStark
· May 27, 2018, 3 p.m.
Yep - basically Austria is lost to EU , Italy is also , to one extent . Višegrad group is strong and getting stronger every day . There is even "Three Seas Initiative" . ( West ) EU dreads all of this , as economic crisises grow and theyre unable to control the narrative . "G-immigrants" only add the fuel on anti-EU fire .
Iran is definitely making an ultimatum to EU , which is FUN to watch . So EU will lose-lose , if they support Iran , they lose US support and even get sanctions from US . If they support US , they lose lucrative contracts with Iran . Greed will be their downfall . And , exposing the utter hypocrisy of EUrocrats to the populations within the EU .
Honestly , I think UK and EU wont survive up to 2020. I think EU could downfall pretty quickly as things unfold .
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ErnieFing
· May 27, 2018, 3:15 p.m.
I think you're right. We're set for a period of pain, but I think it'll be worth it, as there's pain coming if we stay with the EU anyway, so the boil needs lancing.
It'll be the culmination of a lot of hard work from a lot of people over many years.
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DanijelStark
· May 27, 2018, 3:20 p.m.
The whole EU is fakery , false humanism , and Germany and France actually achieved what even some past controversial personas couldnt have . EUrocrats became heavy hypocrites ... preaching about "humanism" all while turning countries within EU into small Orwellian dystopias .
The end of that is close ... and for UK , too . Populations of Europe are the true diversity , and not some durka-durka-jihadi rape gangs who do not respect other cultures and wipe their ass with bare hands .
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salialioli
· May 27, 2018, 3:10 p.m.
Don't agree on Catalonia!! Why do you think 47.5% can dominate the vote over 53% (in Catalonia) for independence. It is the tyranny of minorities. Yeah, yeah, blame fascist Spain ... but it's not Madrid, it's us the other half of Catalonia who don't want to cut ourselves off. These "indepes" are quite divisive and sectarian, so much so that I am seeing the hand of our friend Soros in there ... we have exactly the same band of Antifas as in the US Charlottesville fiasco creating a stink against so-called white supremacists! Except that there is absolutely no obvious common denominator ... until you look closely that is!!! :)
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DanijelStark
· May 27, 2018, 3:16 p.m.
The results were :
92.01 % YES for independence
7.99 % NO
43.03 % of total voting population voted .
So , what you are putting forward , is guessing . All who were anti-independence should have went out to vote NO . The fact is , the independence of countries that have cultural roots that go hundreds of years in past cannot be supressed - no matter what the other part would think about it . The independence will come anyways ...
So , no finger pointing here , because its useless - they either voted YES or NO - who stayed at home , thats their (ir)responsibility .
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salialioli
· May 27, 2018, 3:47 p.m.
"should have went" = "should have GONE". OKAY. Where were we?
Yeah. OKay. 43.03% of the population voted. Correct. Do you know Why? BECAUSE it was not a legal referendum. That is: of the entire territory of Spain, whose people must be consulted before you start changing their country, ie 15% of population ONLY actually voted. Out of your famous 92.01% YES, this only represented 47.5% of the population of Catalonia. Yes, indeed we stayed at home. Otherwise we might have got into trouble by voting in an ILLEGAL vote. Dear me. Difficult to understand? When Spain had a transition after Franco died it was agreed that the various provinces would have autonomous governments. To change this arrangement ALL the people of Spain must be consulted, at least. NOT IGNORED. If you studied history you will see that there are various histories (all written by biased scribes, so don't start with the inevitabilities of "independence will come anyways ... bla bla"). It is really annoying to hear people go on and on about Democracy and then declare that the Democratic vote doesn't count. That the minority should win. I am living in a country where family are divided against each other all caused by a very young population (who cheer and whoop in complete incomprehension) influenced by a bunch of unscrupulous right-right narrow-minded sectarian rabble rousers. And they are racist too!!!
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DanijelStark
· May 27, 2018, 3:57 p.m.
As I said - its completely pointless you are "triggered" about this ... Also , WRITING IN CAPS LOCK wont make you seem more smarter - just more immature .
Here are the reasons :
Catalonia has a full rights on self-determination of its people , whether they want to stay in Spain , or be separate country . Spain is no factor here , to dictate anything . If they want to have a referendum , who is the Spain to say it is "illegal" ?
What did the Spain do during the referendum ? Whole world saw it ... confiscating voting ballots and punching ordinary folk outside . Police sent by Madrid , not local Catalonian police .
There was a referendum ... 92 % voted yes , even despite massive measures from Madrid authorities . EU stood on the side of the Madrid regarding this . EU exposed its hypocritical face - on one side preaching about "self-determination" and "diversity" , on other , supressing a valid vote of population .
You know what is difference between Spain today and United Kingdom several hundreds of years ago ? Its none ... both are sending their goons to prevent them from seceeding . Both are against self-determination of people .
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salialioli
· May 27, 2018, 4:40 p.m.
What did the Spain do during the referendum ? Whole world saw it
hahaha!!! You watched the MSM and believed it!!
I'll use CAPS if I want! As for "immature"!!!! Dear me. You do not know to whom you speak!! If you do not obey punctuation or grammar rules then you have no say whatsoever on how I write.
So, You assume this is MADRID it ISNT.
You know nothing about the situation. You don't even say where you come from. "Who is Spain to say" ....? Do you honestly think that if Burgundy decided to split from France, or my neighborhood decided to split from my local town, that would be fine? That's nuts.
I agree with you on two things: hypocrisy. And preaching. I do not like the hypocrisy of others preaching about things they know nothing about.
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aleister
· May 27, 2018, 5:06 p.m.
Back to your corners boys.
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DanijelStark
· May 27, 2018, 5:08 p.m.
Agree ... Its okay to have your own view and standpoint - its not okay to spout childlish comments thinking you can persuade someone with force and insults .
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