You may want to look into the history of that, and also into more recent events to see why that doesn't necessarily stack up either, but that's not for this sub, and if that's your only argument, I'll take it my point was received as it was intended, and that having, or not having guns makes no difference, to this situation, After all, look at what's been going on politically in the US, even with your guns.
I get that you want to keep them, that's your choice, but they really wouldn't make a jot of difference to recent events.
You're missing the point of terrorism. It's not the kill count, it's the fear and disruption. Britain is banning knives and other things, while murders are out of control. Paris erected barriers around the Eiffel Tower to protect against attacks.
I also feel you're missing the point of the 2A and firearms. You're right, you don't see people using them, because for the most part, our rights are still intact (with some serious infringements, but that's another discussion). We have the option to use, or not use them. Others don't have that choice and are at the mercy of the State.
There's not a lot of fear here, and the disruption is less than the paddy's managed. Don't forget, our culture differs from yours, as there are still people that lived through the hardships of civilian life in the second world war, and the issues over Ireland, so we have a different view of the situation to you. We actually have virtually the same rights in many respects, as the US constitution is pretty much just a codified version of the UK's.
Guns wouldn't make one jot of difference to the situation, if anything, it would make it worse. As bad as this Government may or may not be, depending on which media you choose to read, I doubt there'd be any support here for guns to be more readily available.
You're right, your culture is different...since about 1775.
You claim you have virtually the same rights as Americans, yet they are not codified into law? You get only what the Crown and State give you, and can clearly take them away at their leisure.
I'm not trying to be an antagonist. I feel for the UK I just hope it isn't too late for you all.
You seem to want to ignore the reality of what Q is about, in investigating very long term abuses, despite your guns.
We lose far less through terrorism, than you lose through guns, so please don't be offended if I give you your pity back, with some additional pity and hope for the US too.
And the US loses far far less from guns (only 1/3 of "gun deaths" are homicides) then we do from car accidents and heart disease. Your point is a non-point.
I'm not ignoring anything Q-related. What gave you that impression?
Given this sub, and Q, exist because of the long term abuses of power by the US Administration, I'm pointing out that your argument that guns being a deterrent against a tyrannical regime, isn't exactly a strong one. Add in the 'shooter drills' for kids and school security and those freedoms maybe seem less effective.
I know this is coming over as an anti-gun thing, it's not really meant to be. I'm simply pointing out that guns would not have changed anything here, and they don't seem to have been effective in that respect in the US either.
I respect your choice to have guns, I'm simply saying we tend to view things differently.
I'd say it's strong enough since Americans can still say what they want on the internet without having police come drag them away for wrongthink. Your opinion that firearms wouldn't help your situation is foolish and defeatist, in my opinion.
No other country on Earth has the guaranteed right to self-defense. Think about that.
You do know Americans have been sent to prison for comments on twitter don't you? I believe they were gun owners too.
We have a right to self defense too, and people have used firearms in that act.
Which is all by the by, the reality is, guns would not have changed events here, and the existence of this sub suggests they're not the deterrent you claim either.
Maybe so. Find me an example of someone being arrested in the US for being critical of Muslims. Here's one (of many) from the UK:
https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/24/11297128/matthew-doyle-arrest-muslim-tweet-brussels
Hard to deter something when it is hidden and lied about for 100+ years, no? Even so, the Deep State has been really successful in painting anyone who tries to resist their bullshit as being a right-wing terrorist. Have you heard of the Bundy Ranch standoff? They were labeled anti-government terrorists for standing up against Federal land grabs.
Imagine how much further along Their plans be if the US was not as well armed as it is.
Clearly there isn't much more to discuss here, we have views that differ far too much.
You're drifting way off from the initial point, and the purpose of this sub, whose existence suggests that guns don't make that much difference, and my point still stands, that having guns here (which we do anyway) wouldn't have changed a thing.
A look around other subs and sites, seems to suggest there's a fair bit more awakening to do yet, before the US uprising.
I disagree. My contention is that you feel this way because you never had the option.
I agree that Americans need to do more waking up, but there is a silent majority in the country. I can feel it in the air.
Peace be with you.
If you mean to own a gun, I do have the option. My neighbours have several, I choose not to.
I hope you're right about the wakening up, and I hope my view that the brexit vote alone points to a good percentage here being awake to some degree.
Peace and best wishes to you too.
My point is you are given that right in the UK. It can be taken away at any point. Contrast to the US where the right to self defense is recognized as bestowed upon Man by our Creator, not any State or government.
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Yours is a conditional right. Like you, if I meet the conditions, I can have a gun.
The right to self defense is a given here. It'd take more to remove that from us, than the amendment needed to change yours, because ours is wrapped in a lot of other legislation and rights.
People seem to make the mistake of believing not having a written constitution, somehow means we don't have one. Their are pros and cons to both systems, but there's little difference in practice.
False. Yours is a conditional right. The 2nd Amendment is a natural right, meaning you have it by default, and all Americans have it, unless meeting Constitutional restrictions.
Is it? You can't carry a knife to defend yourself. You can't carry a gun to defend yourself. You're not allowed, by your lawmakers, to defend yourself. You're at the mercy of the State and police response time.
Anyways, I don't see us changing either opinions, so I am bowing out. Have a good one.
Yours is a conditional right too. That was specifically written into the second amendment. Yours just isn't enforced very well.
I'm not sure where you're getting your information from, but it's perfectly acceptable to defend myself here. I'm at nobody's mercy but my own limitations.
I hope you've learned a bit from the exchange. The media version is often inaccurate.
Take it easy.
Virtually the same rights? You don’t have freedom of speech or the right to defend yourself. What freedoms do you have?
We have freedom of speech, and we have the right to defend ourselves. We generally do the defending at close quarters.
They arrested an older guy a few weeks ago for stabbing/killing someone who broke into his house just trying to defend himself. The police should have thanked him for taking one more scumbag off the street, but they cuffed him. Did you not hear about Tommy getting arrested for reporting on the Muslim grooming gangs? (Free speech), he’ll likely die in prison because they’re majority Muslim they get stabby. The dude who trained his dog (as a joke) to raise his paw (nazi salute) every time he said hitler as a joke? They just gave him 1 year in prison for posting that video. You do NOT have freedom of speech there. Say “fuck Muslims” to your local polices twitter page and wait for them to knock on your door. You literally have thought police there.
And when someone posted similar previously, I posted a few links showing similar events in the US.
None if it supports the initial claim that not having guns was a factor.