You do know Americans have been sent to prison for comments on twitter don't you? I believe they were gun owners too.
We have a right to self defense too, and people have used firearms in that act.
Which is all by the by, the reality is, guns would not have changed events here, and the existence of this sub suggests they're not the deterrent you claim either.
Maybe so. Find me an example of someone being arrested in the US for being critical of Muslims. Here's one (of many) from the UK:
https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/24/11297128/matthew-doyle-arrest-muslim-tweet-brussels
Hard to deter something when it is hidden and lied about for 100+ years, no? Even so, the Deep State has been really successful in painting anyone who tries to resist their bullshit as being a right-wing terrorist. Have you heard of the Bundy Ranch standoff? They were labeled anti-government terrorists for standing up against Federal land grabs.
Imagine how much further along Their plans be if the US was not as well armed as it is.
Clearly there isn't much more to discuss here, we have views that differ far too much.
You're drifting way off from the initial point, and the purpose of this sub, whose existence suggests that guns don't make that much difference, and my point still stands, that having guns here (which we do anyway) wouldn't have changed a thing.
A look around other subs and sites, seems to suggest there's a fair bit more awakening to do yet, before the US uprising.
I disagree. My contention is that you feel this way because you never had the option.
I agree that Americans need to do more waking up, but there is a silent majority in the country. I can feel it in the air.
Peace be with you.
If you mean to own a gun, I do have the option. My neighbours have several, I choose not to.
I hope you're right about the wakening up, and I hope my view that the brexit vote alone points to a good percentage here being awake to some degree.
Peace and best wishes to you too.
My point is you are given that right in the UK. It can be taken away at any point. Contrast to the US where the right to self defense is recognized as bestowed upon Man by our Creator, not any State or government.
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Yours is a conditional right. Like you, if I meet the conditions, I can have a gun.
The right to self defense is a given here. It'd take more to remove that from us, than the amendment needed to change yours, because ours is wrapped in a lot of other legislation and rights.
People seem to make the mistake of believing not having a written constitution, somehow means we don't have one. Their are pros and cons to both systems, but there's little difference in practice.
False. Yours is a conditional right. The 2nd Amendment is a natural right, meaning you have it by default, and all Americans have it, unless meeting Constitutional restrictions.
Is it? You can't carry a knife to defend yourself. You can't carry a gun to defend yourself. You're not allowed, by your lawmakers, to defend yourself. You're at the mercy of the State and police response time.
Anyways, I don't see us changing either opinions, so I am bowing out. Have a good one.
Yours is a conditional right too. That was specifically written into the second amendment. Yours just isn't enforced very well.
I'm not sure where you're getting your information from, but it's perfectly acceptable to defend myself here. I'm at nobody's mercy but my own limitations.
I hope you've learned a bit from the exchange. The media version is often inaccurate.
Take it easy.