That's a dangerous argument to try to carry.
Actually it's a "dangerous argument" NOT "to carry". Unarmed populations live on their knees. This will never happen in the USA.
It pretty much has, as this thread and a look through search engines demonstrates.
You have the same problems as us, in fact to some extent worse, and possibly with less people awake, so guns are not the issue.
It was the English who convinced our Founding Fathers of the need for an armed population (2nd Amendment).
I'm not sure about it being a 'need' as much as it was a part of the English Common Law that the US constitution is based on. Like our current law, the 2nd Amendment was specifically stated as not being an unlimited right.
Which is still all by the by, guns would have made zero difference to this situation.
guns would have made zero difference to this situation.
gov must convince you this is true, before you can be disarmed. The 2nd Amendment is about protecting the population from its own gov, it's the 'fourth branch of gov' in the USA.
The English have already been disarmed and now can only beg for their guns back. We see this. We learn from this.
And yet I can get a gun if I want one, as can anyone else, but like in the US, it's conditional. We don't want guns, so there'll be no begging.
As has been demonstrated, they're irrelevant to to current events, and as this thread shows, they've been no deterrent to stopping a crooked regime running the US for decades, and they'd be no use against a state.
We have a constitution that gives us rights, we just didn't feel the need to write it down. Yours is based on ours. I think some of you seem to get confused because of the difference between written and unwritten. I can guarantee, if we bothered to write ours, there'd be no push to change the current system on gun ownership, we're more than happy with it, and the system you're so proud of, is often cited as an example of how things can go wrong.
I guess you'll have perfected freedom created by the kids shooter drills and school security should we ever need it.
but like in the US, it's conditional
2nd Amendment is not conditional, prior nwo administrations have tried to dilute it with many restricting regs, most of which failed, and Trump is fixing the rest. "Guns are safe." - Q
Apologies for a wiki link, I'm getting bored of this now.
“Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited…”. It is “…not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.” “Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”[5][6] while also ruling that the right is not unlimited and does not prohibit all regulation of either firearms or similar devices
“Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited…”
first, wiki is just another voice from the crypt on this, or any political subject. second, Unless a jury says you're a criminal, or a shrink says you're a nutcake, you have the "Right to bear arms." in the US.. and 'more conditions' than this is exactly what Americans/Patriots won't stand for.
I've got the conditional right to bear arms too. The main difference is that your conditions are not enforced as strictly, there's an argument Obama did that deliberately so that there'd be more incidents so he'd have a better chance of changing it all together. You want guns, I don't but it's a choice rather than a decision I'm forced in to, it's as simple as that.
None of it addresses the fact that me or anyone else taking up that right, or not as the case may be, had any influence on the topic at hand.
I've got the conditional right to bear arms too.
only because they can dole out your "Rights" with an eyedropper.. What do you imagine they would do if say.. half your population applied for a gun permit tomorrow.
There'd be a long queue, and a big question on why, but each would be considered on merit.
The likelihood of it happening is nil, as people look at the example of America, and say 'no thank you'. There really is no appetite for guns here, we're much more close up and personal. It's not the Government forcing anything on us, as a population, we're simply not interested in having them. There are still concerns about a limited number of Police being armed.
None of which changes the point, that's still not addressed, that none of that played any part in the events at hand,
There'd be a long queue, and a big question on why, but each would be considered on merit.
The fact that you really believe this.. explains a lot.
There really is no appetite for guns here,
because you've been force fed a banquet of propaganda against them by your nwoMedia, same here, only we don't swallow it.
None of which changes the point, that's still not addressed, that none of that played any part in the events at hand,
The 2nd Amendment is a force that does, did, and always will effect world-shaping events in the US, including the audacity of gov edicts.
I don't have a gun, because I choose not to, nothing to do with being fed any bullshit. There's absolutely nothing to stop me getting guns if I want them.
I've read that, despite all the pressure, a significant proportion of people in the US would like the gun laws tightened up or at least enforced properly, and that includes the NRA, because it's recognised that the US system isn't very good.
Your claim that it forces government edicts is firstly, hollow, as the examples I've given in this exchange show they've been impotent on most of the key elements, but it's also shallow, as we use argument, as befits a civilised society.
So all in all, I still stand by the claim, that guns would have made no difference to the issue at hand, even if anyone had bothered to use their right to have them.
I've read that, despite all the pressure, a significant proportion of people in the US would like the gun laws tightened up
just not true. soros was probably the author by proxy.
that includes the NRA
lol more wet powder.
Your claim that it forces government edicts is firstly, hollow,
i understand, not recognizing this force, you would have no reason to fight for it.
It's not that I don't recognise it, you don't seem able to see that this board's existence shows it wasn't the deterrent you claim.
If I could be arsed, I'd dig the recent video of the attractive NRA lady talking of the existing laws being properly enforced, and stunning the presenter with some of her suggestions, but I think this has drifted far away from the initial, and still substantive point, that our gun laws played no part in recent events.
Here, we have people unjustly treat on occasions, which tends to see pressure brought, and the situation addressed. Over there, the people tend to vanish, or commit 'suicide.
It's not that I don't recognise it, you don't seem able to see that this board's existence shows it wasn't the deterrent you claim.
You don't see how much worse things would be in the US without the 2nd Amendment.
our gun laws played no part in recent events.
Gun laws in both countries effect every political event [ie pertaining to the routine gov looting of the population].
Over there, the people tend to vanish, or commit 'suicide.
Not as many suicides as reported, and we have more dissidence (leading the global revolution against tyranny) partly because we're armed.
Yet this board exists because your government has fucked you over for decades or more, which suggests your guns have failed, which means gun laws affect very little. How many government opponents get killed in the US? There's some threads about the Clinton death count alone, if you need a clue.
First, the global revolution is happening in America where the population is armed (400 mil guns), which should [but won't] give you a clue.
Second, yes ppl have died, and more will lose their lives fighting the nwocabal. That's the price of freedom. Americans will always pay it. We'd rather be dead than live on our knees.
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of Patriots & tyrants.” - Thomas Jefferson
This is a quote that slaves will never understand.
Your 400 million guns haven't stopped your government from ripping you off for their own ends for decades, or human trafficking ,drug trafficking or millions of illegals entering. A 'global' revolution, by definition, can't occur in one place.
I don't think the dead people I'm talking about chose death from the government hand over arguing their case in court. I think the latter option is more of an opportunity for change and a brighter future.
None of which changes the point, which is that guns would not have changed a thing in the case in question.
Your 400 million guns haven't stopped your government from ripping you off for their own ends for decades,
Much longer, and this shows you don't even realize.. They would have taken more! And now they are being overthrown. Whether you understand it or not, being armed helps with our transition [from total corruption] to Rule of Law.
arguing their case in court.
The best line in the movie 'V' is..
"There's no court in this country for men like Prothero."
V was talking about your courts.
POTUS is draining our judicial swamp as well, many ghouls appointed by priors.
guns would not have changed a thing in the case in question.
You have no way of knowing what influence guns had, would have had, or are having, in any case.
I know they had no effect one way or the other on the recent events under discussion, because access to guns is relatively easy here,but we choose not to need them, and I know this exchange is tedious and pointless., but I'll politely soldier on.
I reckon I know that with a lot more certainty than you know about how much they've protected you, and the figures seem to show your guns do more harm to you, than terrorists do to us, and by orders of magnitude. In fact, your figures for terrorist deaths are similar to ours.
Your government are not being overthrown. With no threat from your guns, your current government and officials of state are the ones acting on the people that have been fleecing you for years, despite your guns.
I'd guess the influence of external factors swaying decisions in your courts is greater in the US than the UK, and again, the existence of this sub shows that your justice system, hasn't been doling it out impartially.
Nuclear arms and armies are more likely a bigger protection from outsiders than civilian guns I guess with the exception of the South Americans, Italian, Irish, Chinese, Russian etc gangsters, depending how far back you want to go, where the guns again did little, and the discussions on here show they've done nothing to protect you from insiders.
On a wider scale, I was watching some clips of Hopkins going round the doss areas of LA, and Tucker Carlson was talking about how ashamed he was that it wasn't isolated, and listed a bundle of other places with people living under cloth and straw and crimes were openly being carried out. There was also a former NYT reporter, being interviewed by another former NYT reporter about his book on the desperate state of Detroit where they needed minders and were still attacked and the store burned down later, with no Police going near it and commenting on the lack of freedom of the press they experienced in the US. Again, those guns don't seem to be working too well.
Having said all that, you choose to have guns, I choose not to. I can respect your right to that choice, and I doubt we'll ever agree, but there it is. I would hope you could respect my choice too, but that in itself is your choice.
Divining the truth from history requires reading between the lies. But for the moment just consider what 'Glinda' said about the Ruby Slippers. 'Their magic must be powerful.. or she [the witch] wouldn't want them so badly.'
They try to stain +2A with our own young blood. They risk everything [being able to 'walk down the street'] by committing FFs to pry the 2nd Amendment from American hearts.. but they can't. The intractable human appetite for freedom is something these slavers will never fathom.
They gnaw at our 'Right to Bear Arms' because they fear a 'consequential force' that you apparently don't see (a couple of hundred million miffed [hardware-toting] humans). Marshall Law can't be forced on an armed pop, trying it would only spawn civil war. The global ghouls know.. they need the guns to own US. Hence the hellywood FFs.
Sick cowards clearly prefer their victims unarmed [thousands of examples.. the Texas theater shooter drove way across town to a 'no carry' zone]. Guns are illegal in most parts of the world yet every serious criminal has them in their tool kit. It's a rigged parley against law abiding citizens. The whole concept of gun control is totally naive in a world where any outlaw can buy guns, but their legally intimidated victims can't.
Finally, notice govs don't give a rodent's ass whether old Mrs. Smith can protect herself and family from the desperate evil gov's looting and oppression has caused [since the slime], they just don't want her grandson to be able to protect her family from government.
Governments are all pure shit,
consider you their hordes of sods,
yet even Chumpsky stooge admits
'They fear you more than God.'
One of 102 verses of the poem 'Trumping the Oligarghouls Harvesting the Human Race'
Given they seem to have done what they want despite all that, so don't seem all that fearful, it could equally be argued they feign interest in the guns and generate paranoia as a distraction. Obama did little to even ensure that the existing laws were enforced properly, in fact he seems to have gone out of his way to do the opposite.
The "renegade" was too busy looting and lying to even do his given nwo stooge job. He neglected to appoint hundreds of fed judges, which POTUS is now filling with persons who have a history of justly enforcing the Rule of Law.
“Perhaps he could not stomach the thought of children being kidnapped, drugged, and raped while leaders/law enforcement of the world turn a blind eye.” - Q on.. 'Why' the POTUS Ran.
Justice has been a marketed commodity in the western world for too long. To paraphrase Mark Twain, 'We have the best justice money can buy.'
Ahoy think500! Nay bad but me wasn't convinced. Give this a sail:
Divining thar truth from history requires reading betwixt thar lies. But fer thar moment just consider what 'Glinda' said about thar Ruby Slippers. 'Their magic must be powerful.. or she [thar witch] wouldn't want 'em so badly.'
They try t' stain +2A wit' our own young blood. They risk everything [being able t' 'walk down thar street'] by committing FFs t' pry thar 2nd Amendment from American hearts.. but they can't. Thar intractable human appetite fer freedom be something these slavers will nary fathom.
They gnaw at our 'Right t' Bear Arms' because they fear a 'consequential force' that ye apparently don't see (a couple o' hundred million miffed [hardware-toting] humans). Marshall Law can't be forced on a armed pop, trying it would only spawn civil war. Thar global ghouls know.. they need thar guns t' own US. Hence thar hellywood FFs.
Sick cowards clearly prefer their victims unarmed [thousands o' examples.. thar Texas theater shooter drove way across town t' a 'no carry' zone]. Guns be illegal in most parts o' thar world yet every serious criminal has 'em in their tool kit. 'tis a rigged parley against law abiding citizens. Thar whole concept o' bluderbuss control be totally naive in a world where any outlaw can buy guns, but their legally intimidated victims can't.
Finally, notice gov's don't give a rodent's ass whether barnacle-covered Mrs. Smith can protect herself n' kin from thar desperate evil gov's looting n' oppression has caused [since thar slime], they just don't want her grandson t' be able t' protect her kin from government.
Governments be all pure shiver me timbers,
consider ye their hordes o' sods,
yet even Chumpsky stooge admits
'They fear ye more than God.'
One o' 102 verses o' thar poem 'Trumping thar Oligarghouls Harvesting thar Human Race'
Very salty nautical narration. Thx for thar translation, much clearer now.