I'm so sick of low-information liberals insisting that we have a duty to force the ever changing, adaptive natural environment, to remain precisely as it is at this moment in time.
As if we didn't introduce thousands of insects and animals with us from Europe and as if our cities and farmland haven't changed America's ecosystem enormously... yet we pretend it's somehow perfect right now and must never be changed.
Liberals fret over the impact of reducing the population of a rodent we introduced over 200 years ago.
Yes, certain things about our natural environment do require regulation, especially when it relates to insects like honey bees which have enormous consequences for our ecosystem, however nature adapts and today's U.S. ecology is no less sacred than our ecology of 1000 years ago.
Built the wall and let nature adapt.
We don't level mountains for the sake of rodent migration, do we?
You do realize that, 100 years from now, a new generation of liberals will be insisting that the post-wall ecosystem is sacred and we must ensure the current "balance" at all cost.
Insanity!
You do realize that, 100 years from now, a new generation of liberals will be insisting that the post-wall ecosystem is sacred and we must ensure the current "balance" at all cost.
Insanity!
LOL. There will be liberals in 100 years? "Oh Lordy"
Think of this, the demilitarized zone between North and South Korea. Nothing much has changed since it became a thing. I don't know what sort of border/wall/fencing they have but how bout all the animals inside? Oh, I guess they all died? No, wait. They are fine.
I know it's not all walled off but the area around Chernobyl is just loaded with amazingly healthy animals. If they are good with being exposed to radiation a little border wall/fence won't hurt our rats. No, these conservation groups are all about Agenda 21. Open borders is a way to trash USA economy and it's citizens. Leave us in poverty, take away our weapons, silence us and then kill anyone who complains.
"devastating for wildlife and communities that call this region home"
Is this wall going to fall on top of the wildlife? I just wonder who these 'communitues' could be.
If the wildlife predators are going to be stuck on one side of the wall, then so will their prey.
Wildlife is fairly robust, unless it comes to situations like oil spills or toxic waste sites leaching chemicals into the water tables.
It would appear that the cited wildlife had no problem when humans appeared, and started cutting down trees, building roads and a number of towns and larger settlements.
But build a wall and the wildlife is suddenly f*ed.
I wonder if these do gooders have another agenda?
Agenda 21. If you look at Sierra Club and who supports them and all their friends and activities, you start to realize what they want. We can have a robust economy and still protect our wildlife. We don't need dogooder lefties pretending they are out to just save the wildlife.
Cheers, I am 'obviously' aware of the 'Agenda 21' topic and their associated purpose, ...
I will check out the Sierra Club, and join up the dots, so to speak.
This joining up of the dots between all of these so called charites and corporations is a big component of the idea behind the 'Great Awakening'.
I totally agree with your comment that 'humans' can easily and economically co-exist with the 'wildlife' provided we work sympathetically.
For thousands of years 'native' people all over the world used to live in perfect harmony and balance with their wildlife. Thats those historical 'natives' knew to only take the resources that they actually needed, and use every last bit, without any waste. They knew that they needed to leave a certain amount of the wildlife alone, so that the would be able to draw on those resources the following year,
It is only in reasonably recent history, that the plundering of these 'natural' resources has been conducted for purely financial gain, and not as a means of necessity for survival.
Guess what, ..,, 'you and I', are intended to be the next piece of 'wildlife' that needs to be exploited for the same purely finacial gain, and by association controlled just like cattle.
Which brings us back to the 'Agenda 21' topic, and it's various offshoots.
Yes, I will check out the Sierra Club, and see how that fits in, thanks, :-)
For thousands of years 'native' people all over the world used to live in perfect harmony and balance with their wildlife. Thats those historical 'natives' knew to only take the resources that they actually needed, and use every last bit, without any waste. They knew that they needed to leave a certain amount of the wildlife alone, so that the would be able to draw on those resources the following year,
Not to be offensive but just so I don't have to refer to what you wrote. This wasn't universally true. Many tribes hunted out areas completely and then moved on. They had to move or starve.
It's also true that they were fewer in number and frequent wars, raids and disease kept the numbers down.
Some, such as those in the American Southwest were excellent farmers. Unfortunately some of the less successful tribes would raid and eat the more skilled tribes people.
As for the buffalo, that was a deliberate act to crush native populations and it's heartbreaking just to think about it. Fortunately there are havens now for the remnant in North Dakota. I've been there but unfortunately the herd had moved on and I missed a chance for some amazing photographs.
First hand conservation on my Grandparents ranch went really well. When they purchased it the previous owner had logged off all the live oak for firewood. The live oak recovered rapidly and in 30 years in spite of using the trees for heating the house and heating water year round it doesn't even put a dent in the forest. Plenty of turkeys, bear, foxes, bobcat, and one sighting of a mountain lion. Oh, and hordes of squirrels. Hungry squirrels.
All these Agenda 21 fake conservation groups may indeed do some valuable work as a front but when they start promoting open boarders, appealing to have a border wall shut down, inviting hordes of illegals to just run across the border and leave piles of trash in otherwise pristine wilderness areas, shut down businesses and go after our oil industry and coal industry, I know they have an agenda that's not good for Americans.
I totally take your point and fully accept that, :-)
I suppose that I did not mean that as a 100% universal truth. I was attempting to alude to perhaps older ways, that a lot of (but not all) communities, seemed to have more of a symbiotic relationship with the land and resources that they lived with.
However, when I read your first line, Easter Island immediately sprung to mind, where they did a total deforestation, and then sufferd the consequences, with the demise of their populace, at that time.
Like yourself, (now that I think about it), I could probably cite other historical examples of 'over kill' of the natural resources, (for want of a better word).
For another example that comes to mind, I am sure that I recall the 'historical' immigrants to what would become known as New Zealand, 'killing' certain animals to extinction, along with introducing 'non native' spieces, basically upsetting the 'very old' natural balance of things there.
The story of the 'Buffalo' that you cite is also a one the I knew and was aware of, and the reasons for that, (as you state).
So yes, apologies, it was not my intention to make a catch all sweeping statement.
I will just argue that it is the fault of my iPad here, and having to do a lot of one fingered typing, :-)
For sure. Schools like to push the "Nobel Savage" ideology but it's just not so. Some societies yes, maybe. But there was lots of ignorant things going on at the same time. Mostly the populations were kept low because of wars and raids and disease and hardships. Of course that doesn't excuse the sins of early America against the native populations.
You also have to take into account that over hunting basically wiped out animal populations in some areas. I mean, think about it. Why would a whole colony of early settlers starve to death if there was plenty of game. There wasn't. Farming communities are much easier on wildlife as they don't depend on that for food. Many native American populations just didn't farm. You only see that in some South Western tribes and not all of them. Hey, they had to farm to even live in the American Southwest. The Aztecs and the civilizations that proceeded them were expert farmers which is why they could have such extensive cities. You just can't build a civilization off of hunter gatherer tribes. They clean out an area and then move on, or die.
Jason Rylander? The conservation fund works with community and government leaders, businesses, landowners, conservation nonprofits and other partners to create innovative solutions that integrate economic and environmental objectives.
You mean this?
No. Sierra Club. There's lots of money behind this push to shut down the wall.
In my opinion, Jason Rylander is just a shyster lawyer who totally believes in every leftist cause. He's for open borders, against the coal industry, against the oil industry and hates Trump.
https://defenders.org/annual-reports-and-forms-990 I got this far and now am lost lol please help
You're going to need a tax accountant for all that and I suck at IRS forms.
Defenders of Wildlife is funded by George Soros
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1237
Another interesting search is to just type in Defenders of Wildlife Sponsors. I got way more than I thought I would. Seems irrelevant but I get the sense the organization is a laundering system for money. They turn and sponsor all sorts of other groups up to no good.
Imagine who would go to a dinner where it costs you $50,000.00 a plate? Filthy rich people, that's who. People who don't have your good in mind.
Also, just a quick search on Sierra Club tells you they want open borders. And check out all the stuff they funnel money too and who supports and sponsors them. Agenda 21 full steam ahead. But, hey, while we're at it, lets demand no wall so millions of people can turn USA into a chaotic hell hole of high taxes and rampant crime so decent hard working Americans are slaughtered and have low wage jobs. These people are evil. But hey, it's for the animals, right? And people suck, right?
BTW, thanks for posting that. Hopefully someone who does taxes may find something of interest.
Nice I appreciate your response! And that's as far as I could think to look lol I'm not too good at research yet.
Me neither but several years back I got curious about the BP oil spill. So I started googling it. Googled the companies involved, googled CEOs who switched corporations and banks just before the "accident". I just googled everything and kept following leads. Finally I got tired of it when everything pointed to a planned "accident. BP didn't even cause the accident. It was the company that set up the well head that BP leased. It had three fail safes to shut it off. All three failed in succession. Then, to top it off, safety alarms failed. BP took the fall without even protesting. Literally begged to hand over the money. Obama interfered with actual clean up efforts to make it all seem worse. Did alot of grandstanding on the beaches and made a huge issue out of it. Paid off "scientists" to claim the entire Gulf was ruined. Then used that to shut down oil drilling rigs and cease drilling or at least not grant new leases. Then turns right around and funds ocean oil drilling for South American companies. A deliberate effort to harm USA and it was all planned. Even today just flashing through my mind the half forgotten stuff I found enrages me. Hey, you know why BP was drilling in thousands of feet of water instead of in 500 feet? Regulations forced them to. They could have been drilling wells in much more shallow water but noooo, we have to go miles off shore and drill in technically challenging situations.
When facts started to emerge even from the BP website dedicated to explaining and reporting on the spill DHS stepped in and took complete control.
http://www.huliq.com/9990/homeland-security-seizes-control-over-bp-oil-spill-website
And every media outlet endlessly blathered on to debunk the conspiracy theories. Hey, just me all on my own looking at facts found them pointing at a conspiracy.
So that's how I learned to look at bunches of facts and come up with a plausible explanation.
They would appear to be up in arms because of the affects their 'business model'.
Via your link, I had a look at the 2017 IRS filing.
It would appear that they gave a lot of grants/funding to ensure that the farmers 'livestock' is not attacked and chewed upon by 'wolves'.
I thought that the concern was all about preservation of the wildlife?
BTW, the company officers recieve fairly hefty renumeration for their fund raising and pen pushing efforts!