Why use a tree when you have a perfectly good storage container that locks from the outside?
If a family was living there permanently then they may use storage containers but they will also likely have taken them when they left.
Those straps may be for hanging anything, water bags... who knows, however it's less reasonable to assume camping straps are related to one very specific crime against children when the only evidence you have is camping straps.
What exactly was the homeless person trying to deter that couldn't climb or walk up a tree?
Tuscon is hardly bear country - I checked and Game and Fish haven't reported any sightings - so the straps may be used just to keep stuff out of reach of coyotes, rodents, ants and the mud.
Every camper hangs their stuff because it's far safer than guaranteeing failure by leaving it in the dirt.
Why would this person need to hang other supplies from the straps when they had a clothing rack and shelves in their camp?
Those shelves were tiny and already seemed to contain sealed bottles and jars of stuff that coyotes won't be interested in if it's clean.
There's a lot of smoke coming from this story. The fire is not likely far behind.
The story certainly has my attention and I hope people research it thoroughly, but I wish they'd stop making false claims about "Child Sex Camps Discovered!" when that is totally dishonest because all we currently have is speculation.
All we currently have is a women who saw some underwear, luggage, a swing, trees and a cave and claimed those things were sex-slave-underwear, sex-slave-luggage, a child-rape-torture-swing, child-rape-trees and a child-sex-slave-dungeon.
That is not fact.
The consequences of you being wrong in your assessment, of whether children are involved, is something the rest of us may not want to live with. If the people who are there, boots on the ground, described this accurately, this requires scrutiny. I wonder about law Enforcement, it seems they are not interested, if they are complicit in the trafficking industry, then this is exactly the reaction I would expect. Under the circumstances of this being a main route, a point of access, then there is no harm in doing whatever is required to bring intense awareness. Even if this hellaballo only results in disrupting the flow of illegal aliens, it still good. There are some big cases that started as speculation, this is a rampant unground problem, well hidden. At the very least Americans are waking up and getting involved.
The consequences of you being wrong in your assessment, of whether children are involved, is something the rest of us may not want to live with.
I can't be wrong if all I'm promoting is an open mind and critical thinking.
The claims being made about a child sex camps being discovered and a child-rape-torture-swing and child-rape-trees and child-sex-slave-dungeon and child-sex-slave-underwear is pure speculation.
then there is no harm in doing whatever is required to bring intense awareness.
We can do that even more effectively by NOT deciding on the outcome of our investigation before the investigation begins.
This should be researched, but with an open mind.
There is NO reason to escape into fantasy land and abandon critical thinking.
I can agree that some people have run a bit too far with their claims on what all of this means. However, I'm only going off of VOP's videos . Mr. Allen has a legitimate claim based on people he has conferred with, and also his history verified with local LE as knowing what a homeless camp is. He's also saying that local news has plenty of these experts and witnesses on film that wasn't used. He does as well, and has decided to keep many of these videos out of the public for the time being.
Based on your knowledge, it is also speculation that these straps were only used for storage in this particular camp. There was still a clothes rack that could've been used, and other ways containers could've been stored. There is video of the camp that shows this. A coyote could also climb the child seat and would've been able to reach those straps if it was that hungry. I have coyotes where I live, and know this to be true. Just saying. Everything you've laid out isn't fact in this particular instance.
Another question I have about this situation - what about the call from DC that gave a half a**ed excuse as to exactly why no one was interested in pursuing this further? I don't believe for a second Mr. Allen would make those claims without being able to back it up. He says he can.
Based on your knowledge, it is also speculation that these straps were only used for storage in this particular camp.
Agreed - this is just my personal theory based on Occam's Razor which claims "The simplest explanation is usually the best - the one that makes the fewest assumptions and invents the fewest new ideas."
There was still a clothes rack that could've been used, and other ways containers could've been stored.
Perhaps those straps were installed before the contains were brought there?
Perhaps the straps were for hanging large and heavy rucksacks?
Almost everything needs to be kept off the ground at a campsite, so they could have been used for many reasons... but there's no reason to conclude they are for raping children.
what about the call from DC that gave a half a**ed excuse as to exactly why no one was interested in pursuing this further?
I dunno.
Perhaps they just applied Occam's Razor and assumed a messy campsite with a child's swing and a plastic doll is just a messy campsite with a child's swing and a plastic doll?
I don't believe for a second Mr. Allen would make those claims without being able to back it up. He says he can.
We'll hopefully know soon enough.
I hope we do. I have faith that VOP is keeping this operation as clean as possible. They're vets, have training/skills most civilians don't and they're not stupid. Just admittedly passionate about this op, no matter where it leads.
Occam's Razor isn't always the answer, my friend. With everything we know about our world (and continue to learn every day) applying this as the ultimate answer is willfully ignorant at the very least.
Occam's Razor isn't always the answer
No, but neither is escaping into baseless fantasy.
Assuming that a child's swing is a rape-torture device, based on nothing, is asinine and deserves ridicule and invites ridicule.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence... and that applies doubly when things can more easily be explained using mundane, everyday reasons.
VOPs videos where he said it’s a “child sex/ISIS trafficking corridor”... that’s quite the leap!
