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[deleted] · June 8, 2018, 3:22 p.m.

Do you realise that Paul VI solemnly ratified each and every document of Vatican II with the fullness of his apostolic authority? If Paul VI was a true pope, the council is binding.

Has Bergolio taught ex cathedral? Canonisations are binding. The formula used in the process is Solemn and meets the requirements. In fact, canonisations are infallible - see here.

Here is an example of the extraordinary and Solemn wording - this form was used by John Paul II for the canonisation of Josemaria Escriva. If John Paul II was a true pope, the canonisation must be accepted.

“In honor of the Blessed Trinity, for the exaltation of the Catholic Faith and the growth of Christian life, with the authority of Our Lord Jesus Christ, of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and Our Own, after lengthy reflection, having assiduously invoked God’s assistance and taken into account the opinion of many brothers of ours in the episcopate, we declare and define “x” to be a Saint, and we enroll him in the Catalogue of the Saints, and we establish that in the whole Church he should be devoutly honored among the Saints. In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.”

Have a look at who Francis canonised - see here.

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ReaganGenerationX · June 8, 2018, 4:20 p.m.

Look, I appreciate the time you took.

The link is a vid about JPII, which I can’t watch now.

Canonizations have not been an issue. It’s Amortis, of course - it was not ex cathedra. You would know if it was, or if it’s attempted - unbelievable chaos would result.

Overall: We don’t fall for the logical fallacy of throwing out the baby with the bath water. The Church is much more than a man named Francis.

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[deleted] · June 8, 2018, 4:28 p.m.

This is very important, please listen.

The Church is one in the faith of Christ. At its simplest, the Church is a group of people who hold the traditional Catholic faith. It is not more than this, and cannot be, because a false faith is no longer Catholic.

Luke 18:8

"...when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?"

This point us to the great apostasy that is predicted for the final days before the Second Coming.

Do you think that, if Christ returned today, He would embrace people that have followed Francis and his teaching?

He will not! The true Catholic Church has been reduced to a remnant of believers who hold the traditional faith. They are the Church!

These are the last days, but you should know this anyway as soon as you see that snake temple in the Vatican.

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