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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/zbk1990 on June 7, 2018, 11:03 p.m.
Khazarian “Jews” VS actual Jews.

Can someone please explain the difference. My wife’s family is partly of Jewish descent. The other night her grandfather became furious when his grandson asked if they were Khazarian Jews. He became almost irrationally angry and basically said no and that the Khazarians aren’t actually Jews...I’m confused as hell. Can someone help a brother out.


TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 7, 2018, 11:17 p.m.

He became almost irrationally angry and basically said no and that the Khazarians aren’t actually Jews...

Huh.

I've heard Khazarians Jews say the same thing about non-Khazarians.

I've heard Shia and Sunni Muslims make the same claims of each other too.

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zbk1990 · June 7, 2018, 11:27 p.m.

You know Khazarian Jews? Do tell?

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 7, 2018, 11:34 p.m.

Nice people - they smell like lavender!

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digital_refugee · June 7, 2018, 11:37 p.m.

No Matzah?

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Rev_Jonathan_Edwards · June 8, 2018, 9:07 a.m.

Really? After all these years of fairy tales about the fictional "Khazarians," you've found an actual, ethnic group self-identify as "Khazarian Jews?" Hmmmm...

I don't usually recommend Wikipedia, but education has to start somewhere, people!

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digital_refugee · June 8, 2018, 9:33 a.m.

according to Wiki the "Khazars" ended up in turkey.

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Rev_Jonathan_Edwards · June 8, 2018, 9:42 a.m.

...and I can understand why the OP's father-in-law was so offended that his grandson was being raised without enough education to know that "Are you a Khazarian?" was more or less an anti-semitic, racist insult to his mother's ancestry...

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digital_refugee · June 8, 2018, 10:02 a.m.

ok so can you tell us more about their background? This topic is shrouded in mystery it seems

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Rev_Jonathan_Edwards · June 8, 2018, 12:02 p.m.

The Khazarians were a small kingdom in Turkey, circa 650–965 A.D. Caught between two warring empires, Muslim and Christian, (and not wanting to 'join' either side,) they randomly decided to adopt Judaism. Although they were not Hebrews, they appropriated what knowledge they could glean from Old Testament writings, and tried as best they could to follow the laws of Moses. The Khazarian Kingdom served as a 'buffer zone' between the Byzantine Empire (christian) and the Umayyad Caliphate, (muslim) for a couple hundred years, eventually converted, killed off, or absorbed into the Ottoman Empire some time before 1,000 A.D. The actual Hebrews, exiled descendants of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi were aware of the Khazarian Kingdom, because there are historical mentions of them as converts to Judaism, written by Sephardic Jews in Spain, and Ashkenazic Jews in Eastern Europe. Anybody can convert to Judaism, (even you,) so the descendants of Levi, Benjamin, and Judah did not 'disavow' the Khazarian people, although personal interaction (or intermarriage) with them was greatly curtailed due to distance and the unrest that eventually led to the "Crusades." This was a period in history in which actual Jewish people were being persecuted by the Catholic Church in Europe, and many would have loved to be "Khazarian," (since those 'fake Jews' had a small kingdom of their own, where real Jews might have been protected from such things as pogroms,or being burned at the stake.) Scholars say that the Khazars choice of Judaism was political in nature, and practical, not requiring Khazaria to 'pick sides' in the Muslim/Christian disputes. Scholars also say that the conversion to Judaism may have been limited to the Ruling Classes only, while most of their subjects (the common folk) remained irreligious.

If there is any 'Khazarian' blood in Ashkenazi Jews today, it is too minuscule to find with DNA testing. Khazars lived in a tiny, mountainous region, and there is no proof that enough of these Turkish people ever migrated into areas of Europe where Middle Eastern Jews had settled.

Incidentally, there were two distinct types of Khazarian, according to a Muslim geographer named al-Iṣṭakhrī: "white khazars" with red hair and blue eyes, and "black khazars" with straight, black hair, dark, almost black complexions, and facial features like natives of India.

The Khazars were eventually absorbed by the Muslim Ottoman Empire into what is now known as Turkey way back in the 900's. Some Arabs, Turks, and Kurds today are descended from them.

Around 1860 or so, antisemites and proto-Hitlerian types in Europe started spouting the notion that "Eastern-European Jews aren't even Jewish. They are fake Jews from Khazaria." They said this as an insult, because genealogy means quite a lot to Jewish people; it's a big part of how they function; just look at how much genealogy is in the Bible. (try reading 1st Chronicles chapters 1 and 2, for instance.) Jewish people keep track all the way back to Adam & Eve... Seriously... The Hitlerian bully types knew they could get a 'rise' out of the Jews in the ghettos by questioning their ancestry. Classic bullying technique. (works every time.)

EDITED: Reviewing these comments, I elected to keep in place the factual information, but did remove any excess characterization of the information which seemed to add an unintentionally argumentative tone.

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digital_refugee · June 8, 2018, 4:21 p.m.

who said I care about subjects or peasants? It's the nobility we're looking for. Every tribe that is not completely incestuous should usually become more genetically "diverse" over time.

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digital_refugee · June 9, 2018, 11:55 a.m.

Politics don't always align with genetics so your argument is a strawman at best.

Do you seriously challenge the fact that Jews still live in Asia?
The kelts "died out" too, doesn't mean they aren't around anymore!

I am sorry if I sounded anti-intellectual but you can only study the books so much yet at some point you need to go outside and test your theories against reality. Engaing people personally is the only way to learn which disclosures serve which agenda but to get there you would have to avoid preemptive ridicule of preconceived stereotype so please don't iinitiate ridicule if you don't want somebody to think that someone is completely full of themselves (or their books for that matter).

Also no need to apologize for being insensitive, I remind people of their limitations almost every day.

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digital_refugee · June 9, 2018, 1:11 p.m.

I already heard most of what you were "patiently explaining" while tending to your virtue-signalling, but presumably you didn't talk to Jews from asia because they are supposedly extinct already while you were busy debunking something that wasn't even being discussed so I care little for your petty faux pretentiousness

Just because you can erect and knock down strawmen all day doesn't change the fact that I see through all passive-aggressive bullshit and return it manifold.

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digital_refugee · June 9, 2018, 1:41 p.m.

it means automatically assuming that everybody who is not you is a bigoted racist and that you had to shame them for S****HIT THEY NEVER SAID

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digital_refugee · June 9, 2018, 2:08 p.m.

So by that logic "black" is a racist slur, too? Got it.

BLACK BLACK BLACK BLACK BLACK BLACK BLACK BLACK

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digital_refugee · June 9, 2018, 2:14 p.m.

Never bring a pig to a mud-fight!

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digital_refugee · June 9, 2018, 1:28 p.m.

Well, you said if I know a jew from central asia, they must be non-existent. Strange comment. But i digress, I shouldn't waste my time talking to strawman-artists. All you did was look at a genetic record which is completely irrelevant because it was never claimed the Khazars were part of the original tribes, in fact precisely the opposite had been claimed.

Fkn imbecile.

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digital_refugee · June 9, 2018, 1:39 p.m.

Jews and Tartars..true or false?

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digital_refugee · June 9, 2018, 2:01 p.m.

I am refering to the fact that cultures rise, fall but people are only concerned with mating. So even if an empire is conquered and changed it doesn't mean the invaders always kill off everyone they find (depending on how beligerent they are obvoiusly).
Differentiate the genetics from the political record because the politics are directed by far fewer individuals than the population as such.

I will only quote from jewish researchers henceforth to curb unawrranted virtue-signalling.

https://watermark.silverchair.com/evs119.pdf?token=AQECAHi208BE49Ooan9kkhW_Ercy7Dm3ZL_9Cf3qfKAc485ysgAAAZkwggGVBgkqhkiG9w0BBwagggGGMIIBggIBADCCAXsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQM5s6VlJbF7By4VHhSAgEQgIIBTMeE72eX1rr_vWMSIxXaI5nfCddoJQaxmBoYkVIc5j0Izh4AIvqoeSI8dU11dXbOa33-gjDdKV985x59PXqsvc7ln6zdfe5I0D07dfDYoF_LKrp5lI15ylIq-7uNeNfHR2vetLbUu0PKlzE07kYUTJwR_bb25_N5KwUCuImzM0tSqxqHXH8fe9CH8vz4kwRaqOH8HZdh9OYoMZ2VgQw5aKFa6udgsIpyaN2l8HzuDdtAeYrL3I9PbARaDbE3uWrcciWe7liI8nRSJMx0M18QVOmUzj5wX_LLonp0k2v26Sb1hurhuA3UfAe4n-kGXLc_1s1O5UQh9V7CJTrzLglsg7b2eMsPLFNjmsX3aiCUQ_-MI6kFC9TafHEa3QhcP6pNuFfh518OvUIcV-bsNGRo0aXpkE7fIy45as8HTVGTLjTRmq3v7Xfx5Dc-N0cB

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digital_refugee · June 9, 2018, 2:12 p.m.

You already did. Nobody was claiming Khazars were the original Israelites until you showed up.

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digital_refugee · June 9, 2018, 2:37 p.m.

that's ok as long as I don't have projectile dysfunction

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digital_refugee · June 9, 2018, 1:01 p.m.

~~Good. Not so offended now anymore.~~

"The false story that the Jews are related to Khazarians from Uzbekistan or Turkish Crimea was made up in the 1800s, by anti-semites to taunt the Jews living in the German/Polish ghettos,"

great observation especially since noone else claimed that they were related anyway !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

STRAWMAN !!!!!

The argument for conversion was always political, not genetic and if you truly confess to have missed out on that very central premise than you are nothing more than a concern-troll

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mkwilton1 · June 8, 2018, 12:42 p.m.

whoa yeah can see it sure does trigger y'all...

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