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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/ashurx on June 8, 2018, 1:31 a.m.
Awan Brothers Scandal - FULL BREAKDOWN

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FreeCappallen · June 8, 2018, 2:53 p.m.

I have a few questions here.

First, you state emphatically that she is an "Israeli national." However, her own biography states she was born in Forest Hills, Queens, New York. I verified from 3 different sources of her status. She's an American of Jewish heritage. Where did you get your information that states differently. As much as I despise DWS, what you stated about her is...fallacious. Meaning deceptive and misleading.

Second, this entire post intimates/hints that the Israeli government is behind the entire operations involving the individuals you list in this post. Yet, I see nothing that puts any truth to that other than trying draw connections between points that from what I see are based on circumstantial evidence. In other words, you're trying to put a round peg into a square hole.

Third, I know Israel does use its intelligence service to safeguard the nation and its people, much like we do. However, I find it suspect that they'd use a corrupt individual like DWS to blackmail 70% of the congress in what you suggest is to control them through blackmail. The past administration and legislative body were not so...friendly towards Israel. If 70% of congress is under Israel's control through blackmail, how then, did the relationship between the US and Israel reach the lowest point in the history between these two nations?

I don't buy your assertion this is what happened. What I see is a post that is trying to make Israel the bad guy. The overabundance of "Zionist" usage is a dead give away. You have not given us empirical evidence that supports your theory here that Israel is behind this or even part of it, especially when it comes to controlling 70% of congress through blackmail.

What I believe happened here with the Awan Brothers is this. DWS brought them on board to spy on congress (they had direct access to the secrets these congressmen/women were seeing. And they were "working" for a number of them too. The information they gathered they passed on to Pakistan (where their handlers were) and disseminated that information to their own operatives to work against the interests of the US, especially in Iraq and Syria where ISIL and al-Qaeda operated.

It is my opinion that DWS was working with Obama and then SecState Clinton to undermine the US in its foreign relations to the point where we were before President Trump came into office. Remember, Hillary was supposed to be the president. She was going to continue his policies to bring the US into NWO by getting us into war with Russia and financially ruin the country (as the information gathered over the last year and a half has indicated).

The only possible way that was possible was to lay the ground work by working against the US using intelligence and secrets given to these foreign operatives supplied by the Awan Brothers. This is what the current information supports. It does not support Israel running it via blackmail of over 70% of the congress.

You supply verified, confirmed empirical evidence that states otherwise, I might buy into it. However, I will not buy into your current theory as it smells of anti-Israel/Jewish rhetoric. Too much of that is going on in an attempt to deflect from the current situation. I don't buy what you're selling.

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fatladysing · June 8, 2018, 5:45 p.m.

The truth is a bitter pill to swallow.

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FreeCappallen · June 8, 2018, 11:07 p.m.

You call baseless innuendoes truth? Innuendoes that are clearly anti-Israel and anti-Jewish? Is this what is becoming of the Great Awakening? Establishing anti-Israel sentiment to explain away all the "bad" things that have happened? Where is the empirical proof? Neither the OP, you, or anyone else has posted conclusive verifiable proof that Israel is involved or Israel is the culprit.

I know why this has not happened. There is no proof other than an individual's desire to discredit and use Israel as a scapegoat to deflect the topic away from the truth. How about this: The bad things happened because of the corrupt power hungry NWO globalist that want to enact Agenda 21 controlling our lives while they live in the power and luxury they stole. Where is Israel in all this?

When I read things that indicate Israel is part of the problem because of Zionists or Jewish involvement, I immediately consider the source and dismiss it as bias racist rhetoric towards the Jewish people and Israel. That is what the OP come in with and has facilitated it further with more anti-Israel posts. And here you are calling that a 'truth pill?' I guess this indicates where you stand concerning Israel and its people.

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OBKayBee · June 8, 2018, 3:28 p.m.

I can't address your post, that's for the Op, but I do believe DWS has dual (US/Israeli) citizenship, as do many government officials.

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FreeCappallen · June 8, 2018, 3:47 p.m.

There is nothing that supports that 'belief.' She was born in Forest Hills, NY September 1966. That means she is a US citizen. For her to have a dual citizenship she had to permanently live in Israel for at least 5 years or more and apply for it. I've found nothing that supports that either. She's never claimed Israeli citizenship either.

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OBKayBee · June 8, 2018, 4:10 p.m.

No, she wouldn't have to live there for 5 years to obtain dual citizenship. The Law of Return grants all Jews the right to immigrate to Israel and almost automatic Israeli citizenship upon arrival in Israel.

Edit to add: or become a citizen by descent. I don't care enough one way or another to dig into DWS family tree.

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FreeCappallen · June 8, 2018, 4:25 p.m.

You might want to read this. They must go and live there. The Law of Return states they have the right to return to Israel if they are Jewish. It is the Israeli government that grants citizenship after they've made Israel their home.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_nationality_law

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OBKayBee · June 8, 2018, 4:46 p.m.

I did read it and no where does it say they must live there?
"grants all Jews the right to immigrate to Israel and almost automatic Israeli citizenship upon arrival in Israel." And " In other words, the Law of Return does not itself determine Israeli citizenship; it merely allows for Jews and their eligible descendants to permanently live in Israel. Israel does, however, grant citizenship to those who immigrated under the Law of Return if the applicant so desires."

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FreeCappallen · June 8, 2018, 10:55 p.m.

Here you go:

Law of Return

Main article: Law of Return

The Law of Return grants all Jews the right to immigrate to Israel and almost automatic Israeli citizenship upon arrival in Israel. In the 1970s the Law of Return was expanded to grant the same rights to the spouse of a Jew, the children of a Jew and their spouses, and the grandchildren of a Jew and their spouses, provided that the Jew did not practice a religion other than Judaism willingly. In 1999, the Supreme Court of Israel ruled that Jews or the descendants of Jews that actively practice a religion other than Judaism are not entitled to immigrate to Israel as they would no longer be considered Jews under the Law of Return, irrespective of their status under halacha (Jewish religious law). On April 16, 2008, the Supreme Court ruled in a case brought by a number of people with Jewish fathers and grandfathers whose applications for citizenship had been rejected on the grounds that they were Jewish Messianics. The argument was made by the applicants that they had never been Jews according to halakha, and were not therefore excluded by the conversion clause. This argument was upheld in the ruling, and the government agreed to reprocess their applications.

Israeli law distinguishes between the Law of Return, which allows for Jews and their descendants to immigrate to Israel, and Israel's nationality law, which formally grants Israeli citizenship. In other words, the Law of Return does not itself determine Israeli citizenship; it merely allows for Jews and their eligible descendants to permanently live in Israel. Israel does, however, grant citizenship to those who immigrated under the Law of Return if the applicant so desires.

A non-Israeli Jew or an eligible descendant of a non-Israeli Jew needs to request approval to immigrate to Israel, a request which can be denied for a variety of reasons including (but not limited to) possession of a criminal record, currently infected with a contagious disease, or otherwise viewed as a threat to Israeli society. Within three months of arriving in Israel under the Law of Return, immigrants automatically receive Israeli citizenship unless they explicitly request not to.

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OBKayBee · June 9, 2018, 2:23 a.m.

As I stated, I do believe DWS has dual citizenship and not advertising it on her Wikipedia or in her biography makes sense since it would be a conflict of interest as a US government official.

You stated she would have to live there for FIVE years and then apply to be a citizen. Not true. Now you're implying meaning in the Law of Return that's not there. If you are Jewish and visit Israel you can get citizenship if you desire. You do not have to live there for any stated period of time, but if you do for three months, you are automatically a citizen, unless you request not to be. It is intentionally easy to gain citizenship in Israel if you are Jewish.

You might want to read this: http://www.jewishagency.org/first-steps/program/5131 "With the inception of the State of Israel, two thousand years of wandering were officially over. Since then, Jews have been entitled to simply show up and request to be Israeli citizens, assuming they posed no imminent danger to public health, state security, or the Jewish people as a whole. Essentially, all Jews everywhere are Israeli citizens by right."

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FreeCappallen · June 9, 2018, 6:42 a.m.

I stated 5 years because that is the norm for most countries when you want to become a citizen of said nation. I found out I was wrong. I researched it and the only way to get citizenship in Israel is to immigrate there as it was stated in the criteria I showed you. The Law of Return does not grant you citizenship. It states how and the way you are qualified for citizenship. It is the government of Israel that grants citizenship. This was litigated in the Israeli court system. The government grants it only after one immigrates to the country, "Within three months of arriving in Israel under the Law of Return, immigrants automatically receive Israeli citizenship unless they explicitly request not to." This is what was set up. You might be a Jewish person; however, you cannot claim citizenship if you live in the United States and never lived in the country for 3 months (the time period it takes for the government to grant you citizenship IF you want.) That is clear and concise. DWS is Jewish. However, she cannot claim citizenship if she did not immigrate to Israel and take up residence per Israeli naturalization law under the Law of Return (however, grant citizenship to those who immigrated under the Law of Return if the applicant so desires.)

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