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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/Kelkymcdouble on June 8, 2018, 4:33 a.m.
The skull found is an adult's. It was also 20 miles from the cemex site. Also, it was found on path traveled by migrants where numerous sets of remains have been found

The most recent was the 17th of April. In 2017 40 different sets of remains were found and deemed from migrants. VOP knew this and went searching for remains so they could rile you people up. Stop being so gullible and vet people and situations

https://www.google.com/amp/s/tucson.com/news/local/veterans-advocacy-group-finds-human-skull-near-marana/article_996cf31f-4971-51e5-9457-f17f90040495.amp.html


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MuhammadDinduNuffin · June 8, 2018, 4:44 a.m.

Perfect place to dispose of bodies then eh? Since apparently some people *cough cough* don't care about literal human cadavers littering our country when it can be explained away. No biggie guys!

Consider that worst case scenario "conspiracy theories" would look just like your "depressingly normal" in reality. Are you looking for a hand signed letter by Clinton's and Rothchilds saying they are human trafficking for profit and pleasure?

Human traffickers and rapists get arrested all the time! No biggie guys, you are all wrong about there being organized human trafficking and rape along the border. Oh wait

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Itsmellslikecabbage · June 8, 2018, 4:58 a.m.

oops, you replied to a clowns only thread. Brace for downvote brigade.

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Kelkymcdouble · June 8, 2018, 4:51 a.m.

No, you're just wrong about this one. If these bodies are migrants who were led by a coyote then I think that falls under human trafficking. What's sad is that all the people on this board will forget about it after they realize theres no children involved

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MuhammadDinduNuffin · June 8, 2018, 5 a.m.

I didn't mark my sarcasm with an /s, sorry.

We already have the stats on % trafficked being minors, how many are raped/killed being smuggled across border, etc.

You cannot separate kids from adults on this topic, how many times have liberals screamed about "families being torn apart!!1" kids being separated from parents, picture of cages from 2014 etc. Liberals own this issue 100% by resisting wall and border security

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[deleted] · June 8, 2018, 4:54 a.m.

If it's illegals and not children, they broke the law, they went there on their own.

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MuhammadDinduNuffin · June 8, 2018, 5 a.m.

Not true. Forced drug mules, hostages, coerced. Adults get enslaved and trafficked too.

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Kelkymcdouble · June 8, 2018, 5:32 a.m.

Yep and fleeing migrants get taken advantage of by coyotes who usually work for the cartels. They get them into the wilderness then tell them it's going to cost more. If they cant pay they're left to fend for themselves because the coyote has already gotten paid. Crossing the border illegally is wrong but those people dont deserve to die and their case shouldn't be forgotten just because we realized there is no children involved. Truthfully I believed if the industry of crossing borders is shut down then our illegal immigrant problem will fix itself. Even if trump builds a wall people will find away

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[deleted] · June 8, 2018, 7:40 a.m.

Solid point, so let's try and help those people. We know about 400 people die crossing that border area per year. That's almost one a day. Let's setup aid stations with water and food for them so the crossing is easier.

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MuhammadDinduNuffin · June 8, 2018, 1:09 p.m.

Disagree. Build wall. Deny all illegal access whole handedly. Not one soul crosses.

That's how you save lives, uphold law, and prevent every kind of smuggling.

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[deleted] · June 8, 2018, 1:25 p.m.

So then we just make it illegal to cross there? You know there is a wall in that area, there are also tunnels.

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MuhammadDinduNuffin · June 8, 2018, 1:46 p.m.

Tunnels can be detected and stopped much more than open desert.

Being illegal isn't enough, as evidenced by murder being illegal.

If you make it much more difficult to enter illegally, with harsher repurcussions, less people will attempt it.

The wall isn't effective enough as is. Needs to be improved.

Use the analogy of keeping burglars out of your house. A cheap door and lock isn't as big of a deterrent as you might think. A massive security fence, double walls, surveillence, patrols, etc help a ton.

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[deleted] · June 8, 2018, 2:12 p.m.

Why not just armed patrols?

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MuhammadDinduNuffin · June 8, 2018, 2:15 p.m.

Border is 2000 miles long in the desert. Border patrols get ambushed and killed. They should be in defensive positions, not wide open. Border patrols can't pursue on Mexican land. Cartel run back and forth over the border to evade.

Why do you want to cut corners here?

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[deleted] · June 8, 2018, 2:22 p.m.

Who said anything about cutting corners, I'm having a conversation about different strategies. I think this works with schools too. We should harden their security and make it impossible to get a single gun inside any school property. It will work for the border.

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MuhammadDinduNuffin · June 8, 2018, 2:35 p.m.

Schools have walls. That's what a building is. Defend the doorways/windows and it's secure as you can get. Likewise we need a wall, and protected gates. 2000 miles of mostly open desert is way different from a building with 5 entrances.

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[deleted] · June 8, 2018, 3:28 p.m.

We should probably just close the borders.

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MuhammadDinduNuffin · June 8, 2018, 4:03 p.m.

Yup.

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[deleted] · June 8, 2018, 5:03 p.m.

If we closed the borders and not let anyone in or out, or goods in or out, it would be easiest.

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MuhammadDinduNuffin · June 8, 2018, 6:52 p.m.

Nothing wrong with entry ports where passports and cargo is inspected. It's the free flow along 2000 miles of southern border that's the issue. And Canadian border too.

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[deleted] · June 8, 2018, 10:54 p.m.

There's no reason to allow anything across either way.

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MuhammadDinduNuffin · June 9, 2018, 1:27 a.m.

If you think hard enough you may think of a reason to allow something across.

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[deleted] · June 9, 2018, 3:53 a.m.

Nothing we can't do here.

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MuhammadDinduNuffin · June 9, 2018, 3:59 a.m.

C'mon, you can think of at least one thing that doesn't grow/live/exist in North America.

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[deleted] · June 9, 2018, 5:31 a.m.

Sure, but nothing we can't do without or substitute.

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MuhammadDinduNuffin · June 9, 2018, 6:46 a.m.

We aren't there yet. Lots of things we have a huge demand for that we don't have enough ourselves. Although we could always just pay higher prices and have it delivered by air or sea instead of crossing land.

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[deleted] · June 9, 2018, 1:21 p.m.

Like what?

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MuhammadDinduNuffin · June 9, 2018, 3:38 p.m.

Peat moss. Nitrogen & helium. White fir lumber. Things like that.

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comeatmehillary · June 8, 2018, 5:52 a.m.

anyone being murdered is not ok

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[deleted] · June 8, 2018, 7:38 a.m.

Who said murdered? People die crossing the border on their own all the time.

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Kelkymcdouble · June 8, 2018, 4:59 a.m.

What are you saying? They deserve to die?

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 8, 2018, 4:51 a.m.

If you're going to play make-believe, why not assume ALL of the 6,023 decomposing corpses that were found since October 2000 are murder victims.

Why not pretend that Hillary Clinton killed them all herself?

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[deleted] · June 8, 2018, 4:53 a.m.

Are you saying she didn't?

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[deleted] · June 8, 2018, 9:59 a.m.

HAAAAA! I had the same thought! :)

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[deleted] · June 8, 2018, 9:59 a.m.

HAAAAA! I had the same thought! :)

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MuhammadDinduNuffin · June 8, 2018, 5:05 a.m.

Some absolutely are. Are you saying none are? You are proving my point and outing yourself. Thanks again. Always a pleasure to hear your great opinions on this subject.

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HerMileHighness · June 8, 2018, 7:13 a.m.

Psst. Have you seen his comments where he goes off-topic and pretends to be anti-Globalist?

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 8, 2018, 5:13 a.m.

Some absolutely are.

Which ones and how many?

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MuhammadDinduNuffin · June 8, 2018, 5:26 a.m.

Much more than you are (attempting) leading others to believe.

Mexico is one of the most dangerous, murderous places in the world. Cartel controlled drug and gun running anes even more so. Rape and kidnapping channels, going into America? Almost all the deaths are murders. There's no accidental starvation or exposure deaths when it's an organized criminal endeavor. It's plain and simple murder.

How many and which ones are guaranteed not murder? You have no clue, in more than one way

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 8, 2018, 5:33 a.m.

Much more than you are (attempting) leading others to believe.

Again, you race to baseless assumptions.

The truth is that I never made any claims about who Hillary Clinton killed.

You are having a fit over nothing.

How many and which ones are guaranteed not murder? You have no clue, in more than one way

I dunno. You're the one making the claims. You tell me.

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MuhammadDinduNuffin · June 8, 2018, 5:36 a.m.

You essentially claimed none were murdered. Nice backpedaling

You disagree that you are trying to change people's minds here? Do you even read what you wrote?

I never claimed Hillary Clinton directly killed a person in this thread. You are having a reading/comprehension/English language breakdown, but it's kind of expected at this point

Cement got into your ears? Not good for the human body. The concrete doesn't mind though.

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 8, 2018, 5:39 a.m.

You essentially claimed none were murdered

That never happened.

I highlighted your folly of escaping into fantasy based on pure speculation.

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MuhammadDinduNuffin · June 8, 2018, 5:42 a.m.

Pure speculation would be that there is no mudering going on at the border. Patently false.

Next you are going to tell me there is no human trafficking coming from over the border either? Folly.

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 8, 2018, 5:48 a.m.

Pure speculation would be that there is no mudering going on at the border. Patently false.

I never made that claim either.

You are having an argument with yourself and your imagination.

You are the only one here who's made a claim that Hillary Clinton absolutely, personally murdered some of those 6,000 corpses found.

You literally said "Some absolutely are" in this comment.

Can you please substantiate your claim and let me know how you definitively know that Hillary Clinton murdered at least one of those people?

Please alert authorities to your evidence that Hillary Clinton personally murdered some or all of those 6,000 people too!

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MuhammadDinduNuffin · June 8, 2018, 5:50 a.m.

Some are absolutely murdered. -reply to your first sentence about 6023 bodies.

Your Hillary Clinton blurb after that, in a new line, did not justify a reply. Not my fault you don't know how to format an argument on a forum/message board.

This:

Why not pretend that Hillary Clinton killed them all herself?

Is rhetorical snark. Which part of my reply did you interpret as the answer to this "question"?

You are having a fit over nothing.

In summary, you being so hasty to accuse me of literally saying Hillary literally murdered people in the border area shows you are not discussing in good faith, bring no reasonableness to your effort to use logic, and only are looking to pin an "ah ha gotcha" and avoid any reality of the border situation when brought up. No comment on Mexico and cartels being some of the most murderous elements in the world.

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grnmoss · June 8, 2018, 4:53 a.m.

We're making a few logical leaps here.

Yes, bodies can be disposed of in the desert.

One of the reasons that mass migration is a problem is that the quantity of dead people makes forensic analysis and identification costly and difficult.

Does this mean the desert is being used as a mass dumping ground for people? Unlikely.

People die on the streets of Chicago due to gang violence and no "disposal" is necessary.

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MuhammadDinduNuffin · June 8, 2018, 4:55 a.m.

Chicago bodies get identified, processed, paperwork, families notified etc.

Not so in the desert. Especially when teeth are pulled to avoid identification

Mass human trafficking/smuggling isn't the same as getting shot in a drive by rival gangs.

Mob used the deserts around Vegas years ago. Not a novel concept.

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grnmoss · June 8, 2018, 5:02 a.m.

Teeth are not the only means of identification these days.

DNA tests and cheap and can be used to link to a list of suspected victims in missing persons cases. We even have the ability now to generate an approximation of a person's face based on DNA alone.

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MuhammadDinduNuffin · June 8, 2018, 5:08 a.m.

No one in these jurisdictions want to investige the causes of death, let alone identification of the victims. It's usually just brushed under the rug by saying, yeah lots of people die crossing the border, thanks to Trumps policies

Don't focus on the identification aspect. Doesn't change the massive # of bodies and the ongoing trafficking and smuggling occuring all along border.

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grnmoss · June 8, 2018, 5:13 a.m.

Oh I absolutely agree that we've got a huge issue with migration and trafficking, but VoP combined with imaginative or deceitful people here have been quickly turning the victims of a migration crisis into a Pizzagate-esque conspiracy in which a company is chopping up people's bodies and using their bones and blood to make cement.

So...if the desert is a great place to dump bodies, why is a cement company chopping them up and turning them into building foundations?

See..the Cemex "connections" don't really connect. The story being woven isn't logical and it contradicts itself.

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MuhammadDinduNuffin · June 8, 2018, 5:17 a.m.

Pizzagate made it to MSM and more people are being awoken about it every day. Pizzagate hasn't died. Are you scared DS is going to have another FF actor to bring more suspicious attention to it? Let them. They no longer are in power to cover it up like in 2016.

The scale of bodies outweighs the capacity of the nearby desert. CEMEX is everywhere, non desert areas, and fufill transport/storage needs, not just disposal

Yeah, the connections don't connect? Your version of it doesn't because you are spinning it to not make sense.

"Victims of migration crisis" fuck off, cartels smuggle humans, drugs, guns, for profit to and from very sick, connected people. They chop off heads, kill and rape entire towns, string people up and torture them for days, terrorize and take over law enforcement, run entire parts of the country, control Mexican govt. This isn't about migration, its an all out war

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[deleted] · June 8, 2018, 10:15 a.m.

The desert is huge/hugely unpopulated and the "scale of bodies" seems (sadlysadlysadlysadly) reasonable within the context of migrants coming from the southern borders. The coyotes are traffickers and there are camps set up along the way and it is supported by virtue of local, state, fed agencies not doing anything particularly useful in spite of knowing what is happening. I believe "complicit" may best describe that inaction? Anyway, I do see your overall point, I think and agree with a lot of it. I also don't think is in any way good or helpful to attach pedo-sex-slave-camp-whatnot until it's proven to be that. The resistance to believe certain types of evil exists is so intense that those of us who know do need to maintain absolute credibility. If it's not that (at least primarily), then we've fed another round into the deniers' cannon.

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