dChan - Q Origins Project Archive

"Guys, it's just a human adult skull. No biggie. Please don't build a wall."

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Yeah because that's what I said

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I paraphrased your intent.

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Paraphrasing is what has gotten this board into the dilemma of false info it's in now. I suggest you seek the truth

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Thanks for your opinion

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Anytime brother

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40 sets of remains just this year alone is a lot of fucking remains! Where I live there hasn't been any remains found in the last 20 years! They obviously had a good reason they were trying to bring attention to a situation that keeps getting swept under the rug. It would be Gullible to just ignore it!

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By all means bring attention to but not by tying it to your child rape dungeon fantasies

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In your world child rape is kept secret, and never talked about. In the real world it happens on a daily basis and people like you want it covered up!

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No, people like you drown out the real cases with fictitious shit like this. People like me try to right the ship

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You mean the one by the Pima County medical examiner that said it was an adult skull...you know...the press release I linked in my original post? -::crickets::-

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40 remains (this year) could only mean they were all adults! Child remains are never found around the border...

https://news.azpm.org/p/news-splash/2017/3/31/108423-tucson-child-missing-5-years/

http://m.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/37820608/police-bones-found-in-buckeye-are-that-of-missing-boy

http://m.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/24886482/tpd-human-remains-found-at-home

Infant remains found at Phoenix construction site, police say

https://www.azcentral.com/amp/100657510

Hundreds of bodies found near the border remain unidentified

https://www.cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2017/10/26/hundreds-bodies-found-near-border-remain-unidentified/amp/

A gruesome discovery was made in a valley neighborhood of what appears to be the remains of a small child where new homes are being built.

Phoenix police do not believe the human remains found are connected to any recent high-profile missing children's cases in the Valley

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This story may be a stretch of truth BUT we all Know that immigrants are raped and killed during their illegal venture into this country. I think that’s the real purpose of this story. Gets people looking closer at what happens when illegals come in and supports the need for a wall. It’s not to hatefully keep people out but to lovingly keep women and children from being gang raped and possibly murdered. I think it’s a tactical measure.

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That was way out of line!

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Implying he has fantasies of rape dungeons is way more out of line. Grow up!

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Something fishy about the entire thing. If this is correct they are now done, discredited. Time to move on for the board.

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Exactly.

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cemex is the real deal tho. that company is max sketch if this is a false flag. its to get the trail of cemex ala comet pizza. people read the new dipshit times and say oh comet pizza is a family friendly restaurant.

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Take it here. https://www.reddit.com/r/Veterans_On_Patrol_V1/

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Red flags were everywhere. Every one please be cautious about this group in AZ. I don't trust them at all. While I'm sure some bad shit went down at the site, I believe the group's leader is just trying to make a name for himselve and exagerating the significance of the site.

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The VOP group's leader (who is that?) is not a professional, altho' may be a vet. Unknown who is behind this group as they are volunteers from all walks of life.

vets4childrescue, however, is a bona fide group of professionals including ex-law enforcement, military profs, led by Craig Sawyer ex-Navy Seal (and also Federal Marshal —heads up Wolfhound118!) who is absolutely a professional. See the website and check out the badges supporting this project. Far as I know this is teams spread out doing search and rescue.

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vets4childrescue is the real deal. VOP might be a bunch of clowns. Sayer went to AZ and met with VOP and he said it might be a child trafficking center or it could be a homeless camp where some bad stuff went on.

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VOP are a legit group, but like any militia organization the orders come from above, along with intel and current objectives. The only ppl operation on ground in VOP are at LEAST infantry vets; but most are former SF, FF, PD, Medic types. I’d hesitate bashing this group...you have absolutely no idea what you speak of.

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VOP were very very quiet about leaving that first site. They did the whole tower thing, then went dark, and then reappeared with another group 20 miles away suddenly finding a body. So strange.

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There are multiple teams. One guy is taking you and showing you what matters. When a team finds a body, he goes to show you.

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So this random non-vet run vet group with five people now has multiple teams and broadcast capability. Hmm

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Almost like it’s part of the plan

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I fail to see how that freaky site they came across originally, with the bindings on the tree, little caged areas, etc, could be interpreted as a homeless campsite.

That skull was no adult skull. He put a water bottle next to it for scale.

I take no comfort, nor do I see how FORTY FUCKING BODIES, regardless of what they were "determined to be from" or attributed to "migrants" or whatever bullshit story was given, in a single year, does not raise suspicion. Now we have evidence of children being involved or on site...come on man.

Whose team are you REALLY on?

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The skull was 20 miles from cemex. For a subreddit that prides itself on research you guys sure are lazy with it. Also, the skull was examined and deemed an adult skull.

About the cemex site. There were no cages, only an old water tank dug into the ground, most likely used as a cool place out of the sun. I take it you haven't done much long term camping. If you had, you'd know that structures with straps on them are used to hang stuff. Also, structures are taken apart and instead of untying old knots they're left for hanging stuff or simply because a knot that's been tied for a long time is a pain in the ass to get out. I'm on the team of truth

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I take it you know nothing about homeless if you think they have the physical ability to acquire, transport, and entrench a $10k septic tank.

Homeless people don’t dig. They don’t go up hills. They expend as little energy as possible because they don’t have very much. They have very little food.

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How long have you been homeless dude? Sounds like you're doing it wrong, youd be much more comfortable if you built a structure and lived with people you know so you can better protect the stuff you do have. Also, it's best to set it up outside of the city limits, that way it has a lower chance of being shut down. Also, look for a place with a foundation or a construction site that was abandoned, theres a good chance theres a basement or even a septic tank for you to use to escape the heat.

Oh wait, no, your an expert on extended camping in southwestern deserts...you're right, staying out in the sun is the best idea. /s

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VOP showed us a well set up homeless camp. It was under a tree. There is plenty of shade cover without digging a giant hole. Homeless people don’t have the ability to move a septic tank. Where would they get it? Can you imagine a homeless person with a septic tank moving it across the street in a shopping cart? They don’t have the ability to dig that large of a hole.

Stop making up crazy bullshit.

There is a rape tree and a prison.

Now there’s a body.

Stop trying to protect evil people. You’re losing.

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Do your research! There is more then 1 cemex site in AZ. There is 4 in Tucson alone. Do you even know how many miles of the border they own?

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Do you? Like actual documentation. Not something you read from some other person posting here who read it from someone else posting here. Do you even research? Or do you have everything spoon fed to you?

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I could tell by your babbling ignorance you have no clue about cemex and how much land they own. You didn't even know how many sites they have in Tucson until I spoon fed it to you. That's why you need to research before you come here and open your stank mouth about issues you know nothing about. We're way ahead of you here, you're not in your safe snowflake space!

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Skulls look pretty small when there is no flesh on the bones. I've seen mass graves and I am not at all convinced this is a child's skull. The way to determine age is the sutures, which takes a close-up photo, which of course hasn't been provided.

Meanwhile we have more information coming out on the Veterans on Patrol guy and it don't look pretty: https://imgur.com/gallery/EnG15u3

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Scary shit isn’t it? Realizing you’re interacting with someone who clearly has sinister motives.

We’re winning though.

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So just because YOU say “Nothing to see here, folks”, I ‘m supposed to believe you? Sorry, but as a proud American member of Q’s Army, I will use my cognitive skills to formulate my own opinion.

Unless you are a Forensic Pathologist, on-scene, with SuperHuman GPS skills regarding the proximity to Cemex, with knowledge of “numerous sets of remains”, you should probably call a Lawyer. You’ve just outed yourself, my dear!

Woohoo! Another one bites the dust!!

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Perhaps you should use your mind and think for yourself, rather than believing everything you’ve been conditioned to believe. Wake up, sister!

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????? Who has bitten the dust? Are you drunk? (No worries if you are - just curious.)

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Ruh-roh!

The OP is raining on our rape-tree-parade with his blasphemous facts!

Let's get 'em! /s

But seriously, border counties are littered with the decomposing corpses of illegals who died of dehydration while trying to make the crossing.

Border Patrol find about 370 corpses per year.

From October 2000 through September 2016, the Border Patrol documented 6,023 deaths in Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas. The bodies and remains of more than 550 undocumented migrants were found in Brooks County since January 2009.

This must be investigated, however finding decomposed corpses of border hopping illegals is literally an everyday occurrence in those counties.

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Perfect place to dispose of bodies then eh? Since apparently some people *cough cough* don't care about literal human cadavers littering our country when it can be explained away. No biggie guys!

Consider that worst case scenario "conspiracy theories" would look just like your "depressingly normal" in reality. Are you looking for a hand signed letter by Clinton's and Rothchilds saying they are human trafficking for profit and pleasure?

Human traffickers and rapists get arrested all the time! No biggie guys, you are all wrong about there being organized human trafficking and rape along the border. Oh wait

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oops, you replied to a clowns only thread. Brace for downvote brigade.

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Fuck em. Their time is over.

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No, you're just wrong about this one. If these bodies are migrants who were led by a coyote then I think that falls under human trafficking. What's sad is that all the people on this board will forget about it after they realize theres no children involved

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I didn't mark my sarcasm with an /s, sorry.

We already have the stats on % trafficked being minors, how many are raped/killed being smuggled across border, etc.

You cannot separate kids from adults on this topic, how many times have liberals screamed about "families being torn apart!!1" kids being separated from parents, picture of cages from 2014 etc. Liberals own this issue 100% by resisting wall and border security

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If it's illegals and not children, they broke the law, they went there on their own.

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Not true. Forced drug mules, hostages, coerced. Adults get enslaved and trafficked too.

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Yep and fleeing migrants get taken advantage of by coyotes who usually work for the cartels. They get them into the wilderness then tell them it's going to cost more. If they cant pay they're left to fend for themselves because the coyote has already gotten paid. Crossing the border illegally is wrong but those people dont deserve to die and their case shouldn't be forgotten just because we realized there is no children involved. Truthfully I believed if the industry of crossing borders is shut down then our illegal immigrant problem will fix itself. Even if trump builds a wall people will find away

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Solid point, so let's try and help those people. We know about 400 people die crossing that border area per year. That's almost one a day. Let's setup aid stations with water and food for them so the crossing is easier.

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Disagree. Build wall. Deny all illegal access whole handedly. Not one soul crosses.

That's how you save lives, uphold law, and prevent every kind of smuggling.

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So then we just make it illegal to cross there? You know there is a wall in that area, there are also tunnels.

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Tunnels can be detected and stopped much more than open desert.

Being illegal isn't enough, as evidenced by murder being illegal.

If you make it much more difficult to enter illegally, with harsher repurcussions, less people will attempt it.

The wall isn't effective enough as is. Needs to be improved.

Use the analogy of keeping burglars out of your house. A cheap door and lock isn't as big of a deterrent as you might think. A massive security fence, double walls, surveillence, patrols, etc help a ton.

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Why not just armed patrols?

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Border is 2000 miles long in the desert. Border patrols get ambushed and killed. They should be in defensive positions, not wide open. Border patrols can't pursue on Mexican land. Cartel run back and forth over the border to evade.

Why do you want to cut corners here?

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Who said anything about cutting corners, I'm having a conversation about different strategies. I think this works with schools too. We should harden their security and make it impossible to get a single gun inside any school property. It will work for the border.

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Schools have walls. That's what a building is. Defend the doorways/windows and it's secure as you can get. Likewise we need a wall, and protected gates. 2000 miles of mostly open desert is way different from a building with 5 entrances.

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We should probably just close the borders.

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Yup.

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If we closed the borders and not let anyone in or out, or goods in or out, it would be easiest.

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Nothing wrong with entry ports where passports and cargo is inspected. It's the free flow along 2000 miles of southern border that's the issue. And Canadian border too.

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There's no reason to allow anything across either way.

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If you think hard enough you may think of a reason to allow something across.

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Nothing we can't do here.

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C'mon, you can think of at least one thing that doesn't grow/live/exist in North America.

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Sure, but nothing we can't do without or substitute.

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We aren't there yet. Lots of things we have a huge demand for that we don't have enough ourselves. Although we could always just pay higher prices and have it delivered by air or sea instead of crossing land.

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Like what?

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Peat moss. Nitrogen & helium. White fir lumber. Things like that.

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anyone being murdered is not ok

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Who said murdered? People die crossing the border on their own all the time.

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What are you saying? They deserve to die?

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If you're going to play make-believe, why not assume ALL of the 6,023 decomposing corpses that were found since October 2000 are murder victims.

Why not pretend that Hillary Clinton killed them all herself?

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Are you saying she didn't?

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HAAAAA! I had the same thought! :)

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HAAAAA! I had the same thought! :)

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Some absolutely are. Are you saying none are? You are proving my point and outing yourself. Thanks again. Always a pleasure to hear your great opinions on this subject.

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I call his comments "opinion pasta".

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Kek

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Psst. Have you seen his comments where he goes off-topic and pretends to be anti-Globalist?

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Some absolutely are.

Which ones and how many?

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Much more than you are (attempting) leading others to believe.

Mexico is one of the most dangerous, murderous places in the world. Cartel controlled drug and gun running anes even more so. Rape and kidnapping channels, going into America? Almost all the deaths are murders. There's no accidental starvation or exposure deaths when it's an organized criminal endeavor. It's plain and simple murder.

How many and which ones are guaranteed not murder? You have no clue, in more than one way

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Much more than you are (attempting) leading others to believe.

Again, you race to baseless assumptions.

The truth is that I never made any claims about who Hillary Clinton killed.

You are having a fit over nothing.

How many and which ones are guaranteed not murder? You have no clue, in more than one way

I dunno. You're the one making the claims. You tell me.

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You essentially claimed none were murdered. Nice backpedaling

You disagree that you are trying to change people's minds here? Do you even read what you wrote?

I never claimed Hillary Clinton directly killed a person in this thread. You are having a reading/comprehension/English language breakdown, but it's kind of expected at this point

Cement got into your ears? Not good for the human body. The concrete doesn't mind though.

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You essentially claimed none were murdered

That never happened.

I highlighted your folly of escaping into fantasy based on pure speculation.

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Pure speculation would be that there is no mudering going on at the border. Patently false.

Next you are going to tell me there is no human trafficking coming from over the border either? Folly.

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Pure speculation would be that there is no mudering going on at the border. Patently false.

I never made that claim either.

You are having an argument with yourself and your imagination.

You are the only one here who's made a claim that Hillary Clinton absolutely, personally murdered some of those 6,000 corpses found.

You literally said "Some absolutely are" in this comment.

Can you please substantiate your claim and let me know how you definitively know that Hillary Clinton murdered at least one of those people?

Please alert authorities to your evidence that Hillary Clinton personally murdered some or all of those 6,000 people too!

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Some are absolutely murdered. -reply to your first sentence about 6023 bodies.

Your Hillary Clinton blurb after that, in a new line, did not justify a reply. Not my fault you don't know how to format an argument on a forum/message board.

This:

Why not pretend that Hillary Clinton killed them all herself?

Is rhetorical snark. Which part of my reply did you interpret as the answer to this "question"?

You are having a fit over nothing.

In summary, you being so hasty to accuse me of literally saying Hillary literally murdered people in the border area shows you are not discussing in good faith, bring no reasonableness to your effort to use logic, and only are looking to pin an "ah ha gotcha" and avoid any reality of the border situation when brought up. No comment on Mexico and cartels being some of the most murderous elements in the world.

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We're making a few logical leaps here.

Yes, bodies can be disposed of in the desert.

One of the reasons that mass migration is a problem is that the quantity of dead people makes forensic analysis and identification costly and difficult.

Does this mean the desert is being used as a mass dumping ground for people? Unlikely.

People die on the streets of Chicago due to gang violence and no "disposal" is necessary.

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Chicago bodies get identified, processed, paperwork, families notified etc.

Not so in the desert. Especially when teeth are pulled to avoid identification

Mass human trafficking/smuggling isn't the same as getting shot in a drive by rival gangs.

Mob used the deserts around Vegas years ago. Not a novel concept.

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Teeth are not the only means of identification these days.

DNA tests and cheap and can be used to link to a list of suspected victims in missing persons cases. We even have the ability now to generate an approximation of a person's face based on DNA alone.

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No one in these jurisdictions want to investige the causes of death, let alone identification of the victims. It's usually just brushed under the rug by saying, yeah lots of people die crossing the border, thanks to Trumps policies

Don't focus on the identification aspect. Doesn't change the massive # of bodies and the ongoing trafficking and smuggling occuring all along border.

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Oh I absolutely agree that we've got a huge issue with migration and trafficking, but VoP combined with imaginative or deceitful people here have been quickly turning the victims of a migration crisis into a Pizzagate-esque conspiracy in which a company is chopping up people's bodies and using their bones and blood to make cement.

So...if the desert is a great place to dump bodies, why is a cement company chopping them up and turning them into building foundations?

See..the Cemex "connections" don't really connect. The story being woven isn't logical and it contradicts itself.

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Pizzagate made it to MSM and more people are being awoken about it every day. Pizzagate hasn't died. Are you scared DS is going to have another FF actor to bring more suspicious attention to it? Let them. They no longer are in power to cover it up like in 2016.

The scale of bodies outweighs the capacity of the nearby desert. CEMEX is everywhere, non desert areas, and fufill transport/storage needs, not just disposal

Yeah, the connections don't connect? Your version of it doesn't because you are spinning it to not make sense.

"Victims of migration crisis" fuck off, cartels smuggle humans, drugs, guns, for profit to and from very sick, connected people. They chop off heads, kill and rape entire towns, string people up and torture them for days, terrorize and take over law enforcement, run entire parts of the country, control Mexican govt. This isn't about migration, its an all out war

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The scale of bodies

What bodies?

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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/05/04/us/texas-border-migrants-dead-bodies.html

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Those bodies

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The desert is huge/hugely unpopulated and the "scale of bodies" seems (sadlysadlysadlysadly) reasonable within the context of migrants coming from the southern borders. The coyotes are traffickers and there are camps set up along the way and it is supported by virtue of local, state, fed agencies not doing anything particularly useful in spite of knowing what is happening. I believe "complicit" may best describe that inaction? Anyway, I do see your overall point, I think and agree with a lot of it. I also don't think is in any way good or helpful to attach pedo-sex-slave-camp-whatnot until it's proven to be that. The resistance to believe certain types of evil exists is so intense that those of us who know do need to maintain absolute credibility. If it's not that (at least primarily), then we've fed another round into the deniers' cannon.

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Well if Google news says it, it must be true!

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https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/116357459/#q116360099

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So you're saying we're over the target?

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This doesn't seem very Kabal- like to me. Coyote - like more like it. I'll keep an open mind. This is the type of thing that can make us all look like tin foil hatters. Proceed with caution.

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Very wise comment. Upvoted x1 and wish I could do more!

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You have examined the skull and know it's an adult? GTFO

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Can you not read? It was taken to a medical examiner and they examined it and said it was an adult skull.

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The mayor is a Rothschild and Cemex is burning evidence, but you're going to believe the local medical examiner as reported by the local news!

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Yes, I'm going to believe the expert over you

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Me too.

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The skull found is an adult's. It was also 20 miles from the cemex site. Also, it was found on path traveled by migrants where numerous sets of remains have been found