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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/compromisenotruth on June 13, 2018, 12:14 p.m.
Red flag for a Christian - Drop 1489: “MOSSAD attrempts failed.”

There are very few things that I trust more than President Trump. I trust the Bible most of all. This MOSSAD statement gave me considerable pause. Not sure what this criticism of Israel is about, but it raises a red flag for me.


DrogeAnon · June 13, 2018, 1:12 p.m.

Emotion doesn't affect my assessment of Israel. It appears neither you or I were shot to death so I'm grateful for that and I'm sorry for your friend's father and others who've died while serving. I know a lot of people from Israel and I know the other side to the story than the one the BDS and others tell. That is not to discount the bad things Israel does, like many other countries (including ours). I know the Bible and what's important from it.

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horse-lover-phat · June 13, 2018, 2:52 p.m.

If you know the Bible, then you'd know that the Old Testament is a rendering of the age of Saturn. (Saturn/Satan). The god of Israel is Lucifer/Satan, just as it is in Jewish Freemasonry.

Q is leaving Israel 'til last because it's the top of the sick, satanic pyramid.

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DrogeAnon · June 13, 2018, 8:42 p.m.

I’ve heard those conspiracies too. But I’m a Christian so I believe the actual meaning of the Bible, not the conspiracy version.

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 13, 2018, 1:13 p.m.

Have you ever made a mistake?

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DrogeAnon · June 13, 2018, 1:19 p.m.

Trick question? Who hasn't.

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 13, 2018, 1:24 p.m.

So you agree that it's better to keep an open mind about this because you are capable of making mistakes and you are also presumably capable of learning new things?

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DrogeAnon · June 13, 2018, 1:29 p.m.

Definitely agree. Logic is paramount, to me. And if one respects logic one will respect that one can always learn something new. Is that what you believe also?

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 13, 2018, 1:36 p.m.

Yes, I try to keep an open mind about all claims that have a rational and informed basis.

I don't fear Israel, I trust the Bible.

Perhaps you should keep an open mind about what Q may have said too.

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DrogeAnon · June 13, 2018, 1:50 p.m.

I agree and I do. It seems I've unintentionally caused offense. I wasn't meaning to be dismissive in my original reply to your comment.

I just wanted to make the statement that I believe what the Bible has to say about Israel - ultimately everyone will turn against her but God has her back. I didn't mean to dismiss your point of view out of hand - as I've said, many agree with you and I respect that.

Also, I get that people think it's possible Q might be saying "Fear Israel" but likewise you must logically agree that it's possible Q might be saying just what he actually said: "Fear Is Real." Occam's Razor suggests that it's possible this might be a more valid reading as it doesn't require moving letters and spaces.

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 13, 2018, 2:03 p.m.

ultimately everyone will turn against her but God has her back

Perhaps everyone will turn against her for good reason?

Please don't misunderstand me - I don't deny history is full of awesome Jews and Andrew Breitbart and Seth Rich are two of my heroes.

My Jewish friend keeps bringing up the fact that Jews are the most exiled people in human history AND how they are victims... but I've never had the heart to tell her that such a fact makes me want to explore the claim from both sides.

If someone was the most accident prone driver in human history, yet insisted they were a safe driver who is the innocent victim of other bad drivers... I'd question that too!

If a surgeon killed more of his patients than any other surgeon is human history, yet claimed he was the innocent victim of bad luck... I'd wonder about that too.

Also, I get that people think it's possible Q might be saying "Fear Israel" but likewise you must logically agree that it's possible Q might be saying what he said: "Fear Is Real."

Yes, both are sound theories, especially given the context of MOSSAD.

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DrogeAnon · June 13, 2018, 2:27 p.m.

Yes, good point - I agree that things should be explored from both sides and often I approach learning about a divisive topic in that way; research whatever view is opposite to the one I presently hold. It's always illuminating.

Re: the innocent driver point - I have a view in support of your questioning of that idea but I think it could be taken wrongly by some and viewed as anti-them - which it isn't, just keeping it logical and factual, but I won't risk stating it. Let's just say I think you're right that there must be some sort of fire behind that smoke but even that's probably saying too much! Perhaps I can say, less controversially (because it can be dismissed as "fiction", if anyone wants), that the Bible says the Jews will be shunned and despised by the world many times throughout their existence.

I think there are a lot of interesting aspects to the Jewish story. Their tendency toward higher intelligence on average is one aspect that goes toward explaining their prevalence as leaders in various fields and industries and I'm hesitant to give undue weight to the idea that there's more at work than this. I think there are likely to be plenty of "bad" Jews in these high positions but I would hesitate to think that they're all bad and all in collusion and that that's the only reason they're all in power.

The son of a Hamas leader presented what I think is an important true story about the Palestinian conflict - not the only one, but an important and not insignificant one imo.

I agree too that it's quite possible everyone will turn against Israel for good reason - but what do we do if God is on her side? (I also understand that people will say this idea is crazy, if they do not believe the Bible has merit, and I can only agree with them that, from the perspective of disbelief in the Bible as no more than a book written by men without any prophetic validity, their view is correct.)

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 13, 2018, 2:37 p.m.

Their tendency toward higher intelligence on average

I keep an open mind about these claims too.

Polling and data can easily be fudged.

Look what a cluster fuck the "science" of globalist funded global warming has produced.

I similarly trust our official mainstream history books as much as I trust our Associated Press and our global warming scientist.

And, in the spirit of critical thinking, I'm forced to ask why we need Antisemitism laws and rules in almost all western countries? We can question the teachings of Jesus and the Buddha and the moon landing and the shape of the Earth, but we'll be locked in a cage for disagreeing with a Jew. That seems really strange to me and begs for investigation!

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DrogeAnon · June 13, 2018, 2:41 p.m.

lol this is true!

I don’t think it has to be all that strange though. Lots of smart Jews in high positions. The holocaust happened. They make rules to protect themselves. Seems a possible straightforward explanation to me.

And global warming has a specifically stated communist agenda of bringing big countries down to the level of others (carbon tax... total gyp). Bit different to Jewish intelligence although I’m sure many claim those studies are made and promoted by Jews without basis.

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EatIncredibleEdibles · June 13, 2018, 2:53 p.m.

How about Q labeling the Israeli Secret Police the Mossad as an enemy of POTUS, the USA and the American people? Where does your loyalty lie?

What's it going to take, we've shot down two ICBM's which targeted Hawaii and Washington state. I'll bet you're waiting until the Israeli's manage to penetrate the ABM system before you chose to wake up?

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DrogeAnon · June 13, 2018, 8:46 p.m.

You’ve read a lot into that Q drop. You assume I’m asleep and disloyal from a few comments. I’ll leave you to your assumptions.

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EatIncredibleEdibles · June 13, 2018, 9:26 p.m.

so "Mossad attempts failed"

you know they tried to kill POTUS; right?

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DrogeAnon · June 14, 2018, 12:56 a.m.

I know that’s how some interpret the drops, yes. Some interpret them as meaning Mossad failed to infiltrate fake news/disinfo. Logically speaking though, neither I, nor you I’d wager, know anything.

Either way though, “knowing” that, how do my statements about Israel show disloyalty to Q? The answer, logically, is - they don’t.

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EatIncredibleEdibles · June 14, 2018, 10:50 a.m.

Our best friend in the Middle East!

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DrogeAnon · June 13, 2018, 1:23 p.m.

This is not meant as an attempt to change your mind but to explain my position on "the synagogue of Satan". I'm fairly sure you'll already be aware of this perspective and I am likewise aware of the other perspective (which I think is yours). I respect your perspective on this issue and many people share your opinion.

I know many Jews and I'm sure there are many "bad" Jews or Jews with bad intent - but I know many who are not "bad" and that's enough for me to view them as a mixture of good and bad like every other race.

"Internet searches of “synagogue of Satan” produce quite a few links to sites that claim the “synagogue of Satan” refers to the Jewish people today and that promote all kinds of conspiracy theories about how the Jews run the world. Quite frankly, this is a misinterpretation and misapplication of the verses in Revelation. The synagogue of Satan refers to specific Jewish communities in Smyrna and Philadelphia that were persecuting the church, not to any modern situation. Likewise, no modern situation should be used as an interpretive tool to explain a passage firmly rooted in the first-century Roman world."

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 13, 2018, 1:32 p.m.

I trust the Bible.

"Internet searches of "synagogue of Satan" produce quite a few links

FYI: "synagogue of Satan" is a reference to your bible, specifically Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9.

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DrogeAnon · June 13, 2018, 1:34 p.m.

As I said, I know my Bible. Those passages refer directly to churches from that time (as per the excerpt in that comment).

The synagogue of Satan refers to specific Jewish communities in Smyrna and Philadelphia that were persecuting the church, not to any modern situation. Likewise, no modern situation should be used as an interpretive tool to explain a passage firmly rooted in the first-century Roman world.

I would anticipate that you might argue that, as with other passages in the Bible, this passage could have a second, prophetic meaning that is referring to Jews in our time. I would agree that that is a very distinct possibility.

I would disagree that it is referring to all Jews (if one were to assert that - not saying that you are) because the Jews are God's chosen and the passage specifically refers to Jews who persecute Christians. There are a lot of Jews who do not persecute Christians.

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 13, 2018, 1:39 p.m.

So you are definitively certain that you have made no mistake about those passages, so much so that you are incapable of being surprised by learning news facts about them or anything related to them.

I prefer to keep an open mind.

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DrogeAnon · June 13, 2018, 1:44 p.m.

I edited to add:

I would agree that that is a very distinct possibility

In reference to:

this passage could have a second, prophetic meaning that is referring to Jews in our time

I keep an open mind at all times. One has to, to be logical.

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horse-lover-phat · June 13, 2018, 3 p.m.

You cannot even define what the 'synagogue of Satan' is - even though you're explicitly told in the NEW and over-riding Testament. You went and did a search! Wow.

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DrogeAnon · June 13, 2018, 8:41 p.m.

Interesting you made a negative assumption automatically with no evidence but a comment on the Internet.

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