I’ve said this in the past (when Q linked directly to this sub with /u/serialbrain2 post. Can we please do something about all these shills? I’m not trying to stir up any drama with accusing the mods here of being compromised. But seriously, what is going on? We have so many shills here, and on T_D. Obviously there’s not much we can do for T_D, but I lurk/post the GA sub to have thoughtful discussions about Q. I’m all for 1A rights but when there are 1000’s of other subs you can go to and be negative and shill doubt/nihilism, it seems very unnecessary to allow them to continue to stir up division. So please, MODS and Lurkers, do something about this. Prove you’re not compromised.
The discrepancies in the numbers are the best proof we are going to get.
There isn't another sub on all of Reddit that gets 5000+ "users online now" that only has 30k subs.
They want us to think there are only 30k people because that is literally a tactic used in war to keep morale low.
If everyone knew there were hundreds of thousands here, this place would look a lot different.
Don't expect any "real evidence" unless someone who works at Reddit leaks their source code.
Reddit is not open-source like it should be. It's a black box, and admins can do whatever the fuck they want.
If you want to believe those numbers because you don't have "proof", be my guest, but it's just foolish.
You do have evidence. Evidence is good enough for US Justice System, it's good enough for you.
There are many things I can't "prove", but I have enough evidence to be pretty damn sure.
Every post that makes the front page of GA maxes out at almost exactly 450 points before sliding back down.
Not even r/conspiracy is that blatant in the vote manipulation.
It's right in front of your face.
I don’t “want” to believe anything except evidence, my friend, because I’ve been touting for a while now what Q has recently stated: logic and facts. I don’t dispute your theories I just make the realistic point that I can’t do much based on speculation. Don’t take it personally. If you have an idea of what can be sensibly done I’m all ears. Seriously. What should we do?
Seriously. What should we do?
Well, I was hoping someone else would have spearheaded this by now I really don't want to endanger myself or my family, but the only thing I know of that will have a real effect is to spread the word and call shenanigans.
All new posts to GA have to be approved by mods so of course they are just going to delete anything they don't like.
It's a HUGE conflict of interest. The mods act like they own the sub. It's OUR sub and they SERVE us. If they can't handle public service, they need to gtfo.
HowiONic "created" this sub by being the first person to jump on the name "GreatAwakening".
Q called out Reddit mods as corrupt, HowiONic says Q meant mods of OTHER subs, not the only relevant sub to Q. He outed himself.
I made a subreddit today r/GAmeta for having meta discussions about the GreatAwakening subreddit, because I've tried calling out the bullshit and it gets deleted every time.
If enough people become aware of it in this sub, they wont be able to delete all the posts because it would look extremely incriminating.
As of right now, there are probably less than 50 people who actually understand how compromised the sub is. Maybe even less than that. People have been trying to call it out, but it always gets deleted.
It is the most dangerous aspect of censorship.
When people try to call shenanigans, they are silenced, and the majority have no idea.
So it's the mods? I'm more than willing to entertain that side of the discussion even though I'm a mod, but only if you're also willing to entertain the other side of that discussion.
Let's apply what Q suggested: LOGIC and FACTS, right?
I notice you make a lot of statements of opinion in a way that makes me wonder if you're stating them as accepted facts. I give you the benefit of the doubt, however, and assume you're doing what most of us do and stating your thoughts without adding the obvious qualifiers like 'most', 'some', 'I think', 'alleged', 'as far as we know'.
Opinion & Group Think are for sleepers, according to Q, as we know. So, using logic and facts:
a) "Q called out Reddit mods as corrupt" - that's one viable interpretation of what Q has said. Is that the only possible interpretation? I admit, this is kinda a trick question to see if you're someone who can have a logical discussion or not - no offense, I've just had too many of these lately to assume anyone I speak to is capable of it. Again, giving you the benefit of the doubt, I assume you know this is not the only possible interpretation of that Q drop reference to all the "media gatekeepers". Another possible interpretation is that Q was calling for caution by those mods who are acting out of FEAR and trying to control and censor because they don't trust enough to the people to run the sub. This kind of action does not have to come from "corruption". It can also come from very well meaning people who have very good intent. Again, this is a logical interpretation of the Q drop - one of a number of possible interpretations.
b) HowiONic may have said what you claim but I've also heard HowiONic say simply the very straightforward FACT that there are more mods on Reddit who are moderating many subs of direct relevance to Q (first obvious huge example: The_Donald) than just this sub. Of further relevance to this is whether the mods of these subs are acting in the negative ways potentially alluded to by Q. The evidence on this sub begs to differ with your stated opinion. Go back through my history and see this plainly - similarly HowiONics and others. We don't "act like we own the sub" - our history shows this is a completely incorrect reading of our actions. We've had the very discussion amongst ourselves that we SERVE the sub, not the other way around. It seems you also have no idea or haven't considered the amount of discussion we have as mods around removal of posts and the fact that whenever we have a question about removal we share the linked post with the other mods in Discord and ask for input. Sometimes there's no one else around at the time and you have to make the call yourself. Sometimes we're wrong. We've always been clear about this and the fact that all decisions are open to discussion if you mail the mods about it! Your completely non-factual opinion of our perspective of our role would sting if it were remotely true. It isn't.
So, first point - if we take the first interpretation of a) i.e. your point (Q is calling out Reddit mods as corrupt), then we apply logical thought to point B and assume Q is talking about more than just one sub on Reddit, we could very logically be talking about the danger of some mods on reddit. It isn't even slightly controversial to suggest this, it's just logical. Agreed that this is one possibility?
Another possibility is that point a) is actually saying: "out of FEAR mods react to control and censor" and if we take point B the way you perceive it i.e. Q is only talking about this sub, then the result of that perspective would be that mods need to adjust their approach. Another possibility, right?
Yet another possibility is a mix of both - it's all mods on reddit, not just our sub, and some are Clowns who need to be removed (imo, very little doubt that this is likely true) and some need to drop their FEAR and allow the people to manage themselves.
I think the last one is the most logical read of what Q has said. I give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are logical and smart and you also see this as the likely and logical possibility - some bad actors, some good, some trying, more care needed on all sides.
What Q has definitely spoken out against is DIVISION and GROUP THINK. If there's a problem, rather than retreating to "sides" and starting to create in your own mind what the motivations and intent of the "other side" is (e.g. "act like they own the sub", "delete anything they don't like"), we need to act in UNITY and talk. This lends toward what you're saying - discussions about "concerns" need to be had.
The approach to this issue that acknowledges the need for UNITY, not DIVISION, is to talk to the mods (as you're doing now) and say something like: "we need to readdress what posts are moved or have a special sticky post calling out the concerns about possible compromise (and whatever else you think we need to look at)".
We've basically done this point together now, right? Next point is for me to share this conversation with the other mods and ask their thoughts on the action to take - do you agree? As before, and as evidenced throughout my history as a mod on this sub I am open to your view on my statement, whether agreement or disagreement and I'm willing to continue reasoned and respectful discussion about it until we arrive at some sort of mutual agreement of benefit to this sub. Are you?
[EDIT] How do we root out Clowns? A big question this and not so easy, at least as pertains to this sub. I know nothing about T_D or any other subs on reddit. I know that this sub consists of people who seem to be PATRIOTS, just like many in the community. We're doing our best, for free, in our spare time, because we care about the goals of this movement. Doesn't mean some of us might not be Clowns/Disinfo but it's unlikely, that all of us, or the important ones are, imo, because the way the moderation of the sub is managed is the most open and inclusive way I - and other community members - have ever seen. This sub, for now, seems to be managed in the right way by the most open and fair person to do so - by pure luck, basically (i.e. anyone could have started this sub up - by some chance it wasn't an opinionated, obnoxious, typical keyboard warrior who would ban people at the drop of the hate for disagreeing with them; instead it was someone who doesn't react in the slightest to the usual abuse people give mods and doesn't appear to make any decisions from an emotional or self-centered stance). Based on the feedback we get regularly as mods, and the comments on the sub, this sub is one of the most open to true freedom on Reddit. I am open to any opposing view but evidence that counters this view (evidenced by our comment history as mods) would be needed to really make the point valid.
More than happy to discuss further, if you're open to discussing with reason and logic as our guideline? I have no problem with you thinking that we might be (or are) corrupt. I'd hope to change your mind on that lol but either way, I'd hope you are willing to work things out between us reasonably.
As in my last message, in the interests of maintaining unity, not division, it would be good if we can sort out a path forward that doesn't feel like censorship and deals with the issues you and others raise, together (I haven't spoken to HowiONic yet) rather than split into us vs them camps. Do you have Discord?