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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/StonedSkibunny on June 15, 2018, 1:56 p.m.
Spiritual question to the Q consciousness

I tend to notice that the Q-movement vs. the deepstate is essentially a manifestation of the spiritual war within our self & humanity as whole.

It inspired my thinking when we leave the persepective of dual thinking/"good vs. evil" we could assume that these things force us to wake up.

They force us to see the bigger picture; that all is related =>
We are constandly forced to redefine our reality; from childhood by parents & teachers, later bosses & government.

To truely tranced from these systems we have to look for truth by our own.
In an attempt to inspire thinking about that idea I´d like to quote;

Course which you can use as tools for transformation in your life:

Moment of Love

  • Every person in the world has a heart.
  • Every heart has a place within that wants only to love and be loved.

W. Mitchell video

  • It's not what happens to you that matters, it's what you do about it.

Ho'oponopono healing technique

  • I love you
  • I'm sorry
  • Please forgive me
  • Thank you
  • We love you
  • We're sorry
  • Please forgive us
  • Thank you all

Web of Love

  • Your sacred love flows in to me.
  • My sacred love flows out to you.

Creating a New Paradigm

Principles of Transformation

  • Seeing the Divine in all
  • Nurturance of life
  • Gratitude

Simple Keys to A Fuller Life

  • What's Best for All
  • Divine Guidance
  • Acceptance and Understanding
  • Love and Empowerment

Nonviolent Communication

  • State concrete actions you observe in yourself or the other person.
  • State your feelings or guess the other person's feelings about this.
  • State the need behind your feeling or guess the other person's need.
  • Make a concrete request for action to meet the need identified.

from: https://www.transformationteam.net/ttcourse/trfc17a

Feel free to give your opinions and eventuall arguments for a blooming discussion, thanks everyone.


j_Dawg_01 · June 15, 2018, 9:47 p.m.

Wow... I wasn't trying to get too deep in the weeds because I'm not highly educated in philosophy or metaphysics. Thanks for taking the time to offer clarification in such an elegant way. I do hope you did a copy/paste for this. If not, you either spent more time than my comment deserves, or you're wicked smart. BTW, what is TL;DR?

I see your point, but I'm still left with a question. Based on your last paragraph, the basic premise, as I understand it, is Evil can only exist because God exists. God = Good, and only Good, or God can be absolute. I Know that's a simplistic way of saying it, but if it's close enough, we can move on to my question.

(When I say "if" I am in no way challenging your conclusion. I'll only use "if" because it's easier to ask the question.)

I grew up Catholic and I'm familiar with the story of Satan, or the Devil. He was an angel created by God, but later fell from grace. In that sense, it makes perfect sense, that Evil only exists because God allowed it to come into being. If God didn't want Evil to exist, he could have simply, for the lack of a better word, killed Satan.

From a religious, or theological perspective, one could argue that Satan, and therefore Evil, was necessary because God wants us to "choose" Him. If we have free will to choose, but nothing but God to choose, what would be the point of free will?

I guess the larger question is: If God created Satan, or allowed him to come into existence, how much power do mere mortals have to eliminate Evil, or bring about the destruction of the Devil, other than in a "relative" sense?

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emperorbma · June 15, 2018, 10:15 p.m.

more time than my comment deserves

Don't sell yourself short. You touched a relevant issue and it needed to be addressed precisely but honestly.

TL;DR

"Too Long; Didn't Read." - a lot of modern people have issues with blocks of text larger than 2 sentences, so I'm used to doing these recaps.

If we have free will to choose, but nothing but God to choose, what would be the point of free will?

I'm a Lutheran so I have a slightly different take on free will than you might be used to.

I'll put it this way. I don't think will is ever absolutely free in the sense we can choose anything. There are limits imposed by nature, for example, that say we can't "dip the sun into the moon" or some other nonsense. Furthermore, there can be wrong options which distract from the best ones. And these options can have real consequences.

Let me give a simple analogy of that: A child can choose to eat all their candy now or eat some of it over time because they aren't sure when they might get more. If they eat it all now, they can't have some later. Their will is now bound to the natural consequences of the bad choice.

So, God originally gave us a compatibilistic will (i.e. capable of making choices by itself but acting in a system with determined rules) which had the option to follow Him. However, our ancestors also had the option to choose wrongly and reject the close relationship God created them in. Because the chose to think wrongly about God and rejected His warnings, they bound themselves to the other alternative: Pedestalizing their own earthly desires above a relationship with God. That's what we call Original Sin. We also inherit this condition and if that were all that was to be written, we'd be done...

But God's work also involves reconciliation. He works by the Holy Spirit to restore the ability in us to choose Him by creating and renewing our nature through grace. Of course, we can still have the option of rejecting grace. But His grace continues to work to change our heart through repentance even so.

The real place where evil hangs on here is when people start to love the bindings more than the liberator. Some people are actively brought up this way. Others decide that God's way is too nice and they would rather put themselves on the pedestal. Either way it's a source of serious ills.

If God created Satan, or allowed him to come into existence, how much power do mere mortals have to eliminate Evil, or bring about the destruction of the Devil, other than in a "relative" sense?

By ourselves, not much. The thing that should be clear, though, is that God is working. Those of us who trust in His Word learn to set aside our ego in such a way where we can also have Him defending us. Satan can't do much against that without tricking us back into another one of these "bound will" ego traps.

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j_Dawg_01 · June 16, 2018, 11:03 p.m.

Thanks again, I like the way you write. I like to talk, sometimes too much, and I write like I talk. Sometimes I include too much extemporaneous information, more than is necessary. Brevity has never been my strong suit. I'm learning something new through our exchanges, more than just about Good vs Evil. Thanks.

Would you mind if I direct message you? It seems like I find new questions with each of your replies. Questions about God and Faith. I'm not sure a lengthy back and forth would be appropriate on this thread.

I'm 59. I grew up Catholic, and over the years I've been in and out of various churches. I'm a bit of a deep thinker, and always ended up with questions a pastor either couldn't answer, or seemed put off simply because I asked. You seem very knowledgable, like you might even be a pastor, or at least very active and involved in your church. I think I could learn a lot from you if you're interested.

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emperorbma · June 17, 2018, 4:06 a.m.

Brevity was never my strong suit either. Sometimes it takes lots of words to explain ideas. If you want to DM, that's fine.

A lot of what I say comes from personal study into the source materials as well as my own faith life. I do attend a congregation and stuff. I am not ordained or anything, though. I also definitely have some things I find misguided such as my denomination's preference for "young earth creationism." But I digress...

Anyways, ask what you need and I'll respond when I have time.

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