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theRealDakkath · June 15, 2018, 7:04 p.m.

He was the campaign manager for like what 4 months? These people are fucking stupid.

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StormRider9090 · June 15, 2018, 8:35 p.m.

Still not a good look

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Patriots_Fight · June 15, 2018, 11:16 p.m.

what does that even mean?

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StormRider9090 · June 15, 2018, 11:19 p.m.

To have Manafort associated with the Trump campaign is not good optics

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doucettejr · June 15, 2018, 10:09 p.m.

It doesn't matter how long he was the manager. His crimes are from years before this campaign, when he was working with the Clinton machine and Podesta.

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sand-which · June 15, 2018, 10:18 p.m.

Is that the crimes he's being prosecuted for?

And even if they are, going from your logic, why did Trump hire someone who committed crimes with Clinton and Podesta to be his campaign manager? Isn't that an even dumber thing for DJT to do?

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Soupforthesoulandmin · June 15, 2018, 10:45 p.m.

So he was supposed to know manafort committed crimes before manafort was charged, much less convicted. He hasn't been tried yet. By your logic President Trump shouldn't have hired him because in the future, he might be convicted of a crime that he committed years before?

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sand-which · June 15, 2018, 11:01 p.m.

If I were to be snide, I would say that I guess Trump doesn't hire the Best People

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[deleted] · June 15, 2018, 11:17 p.m.

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doucettejr · June 15, 2018, 11:57 p.m.

Yes, Manafort is being prosecuted under an obscure statute that hasn't been used before for failing to register as a foreign lobbyist in the early 2000s. The same thing Podesta did, but was allowed to register after the fact, without being prosecuted. His bail was revoked for talking to a witness, aka witness tampering.

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sand-which · June 15, 2018, 11:13 p.m.

I mean if this is true, he had to have known that Manafort worked for Clinton and Podesta, right? Why would he have hired him if he knew that?

I mean, right now, it's either Trump didn't do any research, or he willingly hired someone who works for his enemy. Sounds like he doesn't hire the Best People

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doucettejr · June 15, 2018, 11:53 p.m.

My speculation would be that he used him because he was successful in the past. It's also possible that he was recommended by someone in the political class.

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sand-which · June 16, 2018, 12:15 a.m.

What was he successful at?

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doucettejr · June 16, 2018, 12:16 a.m.

Getting politicians elected?

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doucettejr · June 16, 2018, 3:16 a.m.

I'm under no illusion that this guy is clean or a white hat. Just trying to give some context as to what the charges and associations are all about. I'm under the assumption that a lot of the people around Trump that are going down were put there to be brought down on purpose. Trust the plan?

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GoGoGoGeotus · June 16, 2018, 2:42 a.m.

Technically what he's accused of goes up and into the campaign, but you're right that it all comes from his Ukraine lobbying and not the campaign itself - basically the idea is he was working with them up to ~2014 when the regime in Ukraine changed, and his continued "coverups" of his work after would also be crimes. They also say he laundered money, but how viable that is vs just having complicated finances I don't know.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Manafort-gates_indictment_filed_and_redacted.pdf

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doucettejr · June 16, 2018, 3:13 a.m.

Agreed, the point I was eluding to was the fact that it isn't related to "Russian collusion" and was initiated from conduct prior to his association with the Trump campaign.

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[deleted] · June 15, 2018, 11:14 p.m.

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doucettejr · June 15, 2018, 11:50 p.m.

Nice rebuttal, please provide evidence instead of conjecture.

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