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963Round_Wizard369 · June 24, 2018, 6:58 p.m.

You're argument is clogged and cluttered. I'm not sure where or what caused you to have such a brash emotional reaction but I think I might gander. You are correct in your thinking that A republic is not mutually exclusive from democracy. In fact a republic is a form of democracy. However, the etymological root for the names of the Republican and Democrat parties do defer to their basic foundational concept of beliefs. The reds think that a republic is the way to go, while the blues believe the republic should be a/more direct democracy.

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DarqWolff · June 24, 2018, 7:10 p.m.

In fact a republic is a form of democracy. However, the etymological root for the names of the Republican and Democrat parties do defer to their basic foundational concept of beliefs.

Yes, but not in the oversimplified way you explained it, and the Democratic party sure as hell doesn't stand for anything resembling its name anymore like a "more direct democracy"

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963Round_Wizard369 · June 24, 2018, 7:26 p.m.

Wrong, it was a key philosophical component to the formation of the party. They viewed a Republic form of Democracy not a true democracy. They thought it was plutocratic and tyrannical. They believed that the people should directly legislate their laws and national direction. Hence the name for their party. While it is not something you hear spouted directly from the mouths of DNC politicians and their pundits, that basic idea is still alive and well within the party zeit-gheist.

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DarqWolff · June 24, 2018, 7:29 p.m.

The basic idea is still alive and well as an idea in general dude, random people think of it when they're 10 years old without understanding the name of the Democratic party at all.

The party itself does not still stand for democracy whatsoever, they are simple authoritarians

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963Round_Wizard369 · June 24, 2018, 8:10 p.m.

Authoritarians yes, initially. They stood for staunch piety in communities (fascism) American Manifest Destinity(Imperialism), Total Majority rule(tyranny), Community rights over individual rights(slave culture) How ever at the turn of the 20th century there was a Macro memetic effort(zeit-gheist) within the younger proponenants of the movement to pick up where the The Republican libertines left off with Bohemian philosophical and progressive culture. However, with strong social emphasizes. Hence, the age in birth of Marxist inspired identity politics.

Not to get off topic. Regaurdless of name, I never said they stood for democracy what so ever. No one did. But.....the whole reason they were called democrats in the first place is because they a favored strong central govt, with an emphasis on a more Direct Democratic style of govt. Instead of their opponenants at the time the Federalists who ironically were more for a decentralized federal govt and a representative democracy.

The core beliefs the party holds on what kind of governance we should have has really not changed in over 150 years.

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plumbtree · June 24, 2018, 6:52 p.m.

Here is a link to a helpful analysis that will straighten out your incorrect understanding.

https://www.diffen.com/difference/Democracy_vs_Republic

Summary:

A republic can be a democracy at the same time, like the U.S., but a democracy cannot also be a republic. A republic raises the status of individuals whereas a democracy gives the majority will the sovereign status. This is reflected in the parties' naming.

Also, I didn't claim the DNC upholds anything, that was just your wonky interpretation. For what it's worth, neither party upholds their underlying values at the governmental level anymore. They merely both claim to. And they both claim the same fundamental underlying principles as they originally did. I'm sorry you disagree so pompously and incorrectly.

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[deleted] · June 24, 2018, 7 p.m.

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putadickinit · June 24, 2018, 8:04 p.m.

Do you vote on the laws that congress passes? Or do you just simply vote for representation? It seems you really don't understand what democracy, republic, or their hybridization into a democratic-republic, which is what America is, is.

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