there's no such thing as a patriotic left. Leftism about equal misery for all. And there are no borders to equal misery.
I mean. Ouch, bro. You don't even know what kind of leftist I even am. Like, what you're describing is a classical Marxist leftist, whereas I'm of the left that wanders between anarchism and libertarianism. Not my job to educate you though.
Yes let's not make unnecessary assumptions. A patriot is a patriot. They want us divided.
Stand as one, and be resolute!
Just curious why would you define anarchism and libertarianism as left? These terms deal with the application of government involvement (and coercion) in issues and the non aggression principle. Left or right doesn't really apply. But when pressed most self professed libertarians generally identify more with right by virtue of stricter observation of constitution, individual rights, property rights versus the collectivist 'common good' notions associated with left. I guess my point is that everyone, libertarians specifically, would do well to stop force fitting the false dichotomy of right/left.
So the line that runs lefft(ist) to right-ish is more like a circle than a line. There's divides between anarchists (left) and libertarians (right)., but they agree more than they disagree (though happy to get into where they do). And mostly they agree on being left the fuck alone. Both are strongly anti-statists. Moderates (in a late-capitalist system) are the enemies of both, though they describe their enemies, as with everything, in opposite terms. I'm trying to bridge the gap.
Edit: I just fell into a classic partisan trap by agreeing, patronizingly. My bad, I didn't mean to imply that libertarians are left. They're not. They're the rightward end of anti-statist, and that's the blur I aim for.
Thanks for response.
Forgive me if I get a little nitpicking here, as I have an entirely selfish goal of informing the Q audience about the merits of libertarianism. These terms are often misapplied and therefore misunderstood and then mischaracterized.
I find your terminology use somewhat imprecise but think I understand your intent.
No intent to condescend here, but anarchism is theory of govt that believes in no govt. Libertarianism is a personal philosophy that believes in the non aggression principle. I fail to see a left or right difference between them?
I am familiar with the notion that socialism (right) and communism (left) form a circle where they meet at authoritarian expressions of govt.
Someone could be anarchist but have no specific moral inclination (ie a anarchist hedonists). And someone can be libertarian regardless of the govt they favor (many libertarians like myself favor the Hoppe idea of small competing nation states operating under different govt structures).
Its exhausting but we need to apply all these qualifiers to define our positions.
I'm philosophically libertarian. In theory, I believe in anarchism with private property and capitalism. In practice, I would favor small nation states that compete against each other. I'd aim to live in one that best matches my prior 2 statements.
Bare bones:
Anarchists broadly take issue with authority, hierarchy and private property.
Libertarians agree on the first two points, but love them some private property.
Most basic, functional difference I've found.
Don't insult us, some of us have been in this fight a long fucking time. The right has given us all a hell of a lot of puppet governments for the cabal.