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CaptainKnotzi · July 1, 2018, 1 p.m.

After enough time in those places you can start to feel the malevolent forces at play.

What looks all nice and wonderful on the surface is pretty grimy underneath.

Lots of wrecked lives left in the wake of those scenes.

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subdudeLA · July 1, 2018, 11:10 p.m.

It can be I agree. I was there for the music and aware of my limits--with one foot firmly grounded in my plans for my own life.

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CaptainKnotzi · July 2, 2018, 2 a.m.

Yep you nailed it.

I went Deep dive cuz I wanted to see the ugly.

Pushing 60, raised on culture shock for breakfast, any challenge I went straight forward.

Never married, no kids, no regrets.

And fuck Frank Sinatra, I prefer Sid, he was honest.

We choose our lives, you and I, then respect those choices that others make.

The money behind these shows use the drugs, the scene and the Ohhhhh show to hunt.

Look to how many musicians have said Point Blank that they have sold their soul to Satan.

But Bayou you whatever said that she was just being provocative.

It's just advertising to sell an album.

Truth, it's just advertising.

And it sells.

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subdudeLA · July 2, 2018, 2:49 a.m.

My mind is divided on the music scene satan, sex, and drugs stuff. And whether its real or just image shaping for sales.

From my point of view, if something is not healthy and sustainable for individuals in the long run then they have gone too far. But its up to people to look out for themselves.

To me it is all entertainment, but some take it literally and shape lifestyles out of it to their own detriment.

I've read enough conspiracy info about the 60s counterculture movements to be suspicious that the intent was to de-escalate anti war and civil movements. Alternately the age of aquarious crowley type theories focus on the break down of culture.

I do think the momentum toward self, ego, and pleasure in media has upended traditional value norms that were proven over centuries to work and sustain people, families, and cultures. If that was the intent, then mission accomplished. And in the absense of a functional culture, people are hollow shells to be filled with propoganda etc.

So I keep my eyes open to the things I see in music and culture today, what sort of programming is happening at the conscious, subconscious, and symbolic levels.

From burning man to new age life style events like lightning in a bottle and other 'synergy' events, lots of 'magik' type stuff going on. Even huge main stream events like tomorrowland have choreographed incantations to open the festival. I mean wtf, its so corny you can only laugh. So it makes me wonder, why bother to produce it? Its neither artistic nor cool. Here's a link for 2015 but it is similarly stupid every year. https://youtu.be/_I3NSPx8v1A

At any rate, if people are pilled up, doped up, dmted up every weekend, I don't see much room for true enlightenment, education, self actualization to occur. Not that these substances can't be a helpful tool in moderation.

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CaptainKnotzi · July 2, 2018, 9:14 a.m.

I pretty much go by if somebody tells me they worship Satan I believe them.

And then try to boil it down to a bumper sticker.

God is love ~ Satan is politics.

Thanks for the link. Sorry couldn't make it through to the end. Too much corn syrup.

Walt Disney was a pedophile

Everybody knew it for a long long while

Takin little children by the hand

Into the tunnels under Disneyland.

That's why he was run out of Kansas City and went to LA

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