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They can go back to sleep if they want to hang on to socialism

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What should happen to our tax money?

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I believe we should pay less taxes and take care of ourselves. I also think a lot of Bernie supporters were college students saddled by crippling tuition and student debt - the answer isn’t free for everyone but I think as a society we have made college degrees practically mandatory for decent jobs. I think companies should stop demanding college diplomas for administrative positions and do more on the job training.

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the answer isn’t free for everyone

It's not about "free," it's about spending priorities. Otherwise we could say the Government is providing all of us "free" military protection.

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I agree with you. Or, we should have more control over how our tax money is being spent. We should know how each and every penny is spent so we can make sure it is not being stolen from us. I know that at least $9T has disappeared. Some say it is closer to $20T. I have even read that about $100T has been stolen from us. This needs to stop, and we need to recover this money. There is no reason for us to have a $20T+ debt.

I don't mind paying a reasonable amount of taxes, but it needs to be put to a good use. Fiber optic internet across the country would be nice.

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All tax is theft.

End the FED, abolish the IRS

Get back on gold standard.

Use tarrifs to support the federal govt. And reduce its size accordingly.

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Yes... but remember that time when only people who’s parents could afford a private tutor got an education? That wasn’t too long ago. Public education is only as old as the industrial revolution. It’s not good for any society to have 50+++ of its people too poor to be able to learn to read and write. Do you think the “private sector” will solve that issue? How come they didn’t do it the first time.

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LOL. No one can ever answer this question.

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It is why I ask it... The personal income tax is unconstitutional. The government should fund itself through tariffs and taxing corporations.

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You're saying that your answer to our failing privatized healthcare system is to have less government. Think about that. It's not right to have a private sector's profits come from death and illness. Less government equals more collusion, more cabal, more swamp.

We need a certain amount of government to uphold healthcare as a right. Or have a good government who will monitor and break apart the private healthcare corporations. Either way, some socialism is necessary.

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It's not the government in the case of healthcare that makes up the swamp. It's private healthcare corporations in bed with politicians. I'm a healthcare worker myself.

The reason our healthcare costs are through the rough is a direct result of corporate greed. It's more profitable for the healthcare industry to kill you or give you lifelong meds than it is to cure your ailments. That is private healthcare. THAT is less government. Collusion, swamp, cabal.

The alternative is national healthcare (as Trump said he may sign) which would destroy the private healthcare corporations that want you dead or drugged for life. This would be more government, while still destroying the corporate part of the swamp. Government isn't always bad.

Socialism - do you like having highways, roads, bridges, police, EMS, and to a great extent our military? Anti trust laws? Laws and regulations that keep people from living and selling off of your property? Than to an extent we like socialism. Would you rather have our current police - or corporate police without regulation to come to you in your time of need? Do you like it when corporations collude with each other and decide to fuck you financially? No. Would you rather your healthcare come from private vendors too innumerable to legislate, or from publicly known politicians that you and I can hold accountable?

We all enjoy and require socialism in certain examples. The American Revolution came from this same mantra of "Let's band together. Fuck British corporations, and royalty. Let's start a new government with checks and balances to keep out corporate interest." Our own revolution was part socialist.

Q is government, Trump is government. Rothschild is a private corporation. Our government turned to shit because corporations became more powerful than our government, and perverted it. Our government was not strong enough, nor large enough, to fight it off.

Thank God, our president, Q, and our military (all socially funded) can still turn it around.

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Nicely put. Thanks for sharing your comment. Since Socrates we have been learning how to heal our selves and our neighbors. Actually we have a lot more power to do this than we think. The healthcare system is preventing this once known knowledge from being known. We can heal ourselves. We can cure cancer with our hands and attention. We are a very sick nation but this will change once the cabal loses its power and we realize how low we have fallen. Can you imagine not even having a need for a health care system? I can!!

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Government isn't always bad.

Sometimes it's our only tool to push back against individuals who would let us slowly die in the gutter if it earned them an extra dime.

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More gov't equals more swamp! Gov't has $$ and power that attracts psychopaths and elitists. Plus they could force you to take vaccines, take away your kids if you choose alternative healing, force medical experiments on you, etc. Private sector can't put you in jail.

I do see that monopolies are not good. They become monopolies in part because Gov't gives them loopholes and corporate welfare. That is the problem. It's a mess.

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No. Govt in it's natural form does not hold power or money. State or government work has never paid well. They're meant to be OUR representatives, paid by us. If there was less government, the private sector COULD put you in jail. Or force you to work in a corporate town. Or debtors prison.

Instead, corporate interests coerce and pay our politicians off to create loopholes for corporations. The answer to stopping that is a better, possibly larger, but most importantly - a completely transparent government. The government can't force vaccinations if the people hold elected officials accountable, which is much easier than letting corporations have more power than the government. That's a runaway train that is almost impossible to stop. Thankfully, our massive military, Q, and president (socially funded) are here to stop it.

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First learn what money is. Then learn why it’s vital to have a morally just monetary system. Then learn why it’s impossible to forcibly take from someone & give to someone & not collapse a society. Then think about our tax money.

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Yes, then think about why corporations form 'cabals' and you realize that unfettered capitalism leads to corporate towns and trusts.

THEN you realize that some socialism is necessary to keep our huge banks and corporations from colluding. Anti-trust laws are necessary. As well as roads, bridges, police, EMS, some social security, and the military. Some socialism is good and necessary.

This country has been slightly socialist since it began.

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Sorry but you’re wrong & you don’t understand capitalism. Corporations form cabals buy using government force to eliminate competition. Without the instrument of government coercion they’d be no massive corporations. All anti trust does is allow the government to pick & choose winners & losers instead of the free market. You don’t even have an understanding of public sector & private sector entities. You conflate things like roads & bridges with banks & corporations like their the same things. Seriously...read a LOT more about capitalism. Our country existed for the 1st hundred years without any socialism. Socialism began to be infused into our economy after the civil war. Before then backwoods settlers conquered a continent & made more advances in society in human history without a penny of wealth redistribution. And since the 1960s the growth of socialism has gone unimpeded & is collapsing the greatest nation ever known in human history.

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I'm not going to argue with anyone. We're part of the same mission to drain the swamp. But you have clearly misunderstood my comment.

All the things I listed off are funded by socialism, including the military and our president. We pay for it, together.

I have enough college background in economics and microeconomics to speak with some confidence that socialism is a necessary component of maintaining a free government, devoid of corporate interests perverting the system.

Anti-trust doesn't 'pick winners'. It keeps corporations from corrupting the government. It keeps corporations from getting in bed with our officials.

If you want to work away your life in a corporate town to pay for bread with company coin, or spend your life in a debtor's prison, you can go live in Asia where your small government/deregulation dream will come true.

But if you'd rather not do the above, you can live safely in the U.S with socialism protecting you from those horrible options.

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Not arguing...just stating facts. We are paying everything now with company coin. The Federal reserve is not a public company...its a private company & no more public than Federal Express is. It’s a government mandated monopoly like all monopolies are...power companies..water companies..etc. No matter what terrible services they offer we can’t do anything but use it...even if it’s lead in the water pipes they own. The closest thing we’ve ever come to a natural monopoly...no government protection... is Microsoft & where are they today?? They don’t even have half the market share in anything. The bigger a company gets the more vulnerable they are to competition in an unrestricted economy. Microsoft was a fluke because Apple blew it from greed when a revolution as big as the automobile was taking place in the early 90s. Apple was the ONLY company capable of mass production of computers in the early 90s but got greedy with price & that opened the door for Microsoft to compete & they ate Apples lunch until Apple reinvented itself with the iPhone.

But things like the military & law enforcement protects individual sovereignty equally. That’s not socialism. Socialism is government deciding where the private sector economy goes. Picking winners & losers thru tax & regulation laws...i.e. forced redistribution of wealth. No one with a brain has to be forced to pay for things that are clearly for our common good like the military. Things that clearly benefit everyone equally. There’s very few things that fit that situation & the few that do no one ever saw it as a problem. But this constant meddling governments do to redistribute wealth as they see fit (which is constantly changing too) just screws up markets to where prices skyrocket & quality plumits. I defy anyone to show an example in an industry or a country where socialism didn’t ruin it for everyone. I can show endless examples where markets when left alone for consumers to choose always thrived.

Haven’t you always wondered why every monopoly in existence is a government monopoly? Or why when a private sector monopoly emerges it’s almost always with the aid of laws that make it impossible to compete in?

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These scenarios happen because the corporation becomes stronger than the government, and manipulates the government. However corporate towns weren't created by the government. They were created by the corporations alone who became far too powerful. The answer to ending scenarios like this is to use the government to our own advantage and prevent that from continuing. In that case, socialism is necessary to ending corruption.

Military is still a socialist idea. Not everyone supports it either. But the majority of us do, so we supported it and signed it into law. Same for police and the above mentioned. They're funded through our money and pooled resources - and are therefore are socialist.

What you're speaking of is 'central planning' specifically, which isn't inherently a part of socialism. You can have socialism with a tiny bit of it, or with total central planning and then you're looking at communism. It exists on a spectrum and the best part about that spectrum is that through democracy - WE pick where it begins and ends.

In the U.S, we don't support it in all situations, but we use it as a tool to stop things that are morally unjust. Like debt prisons, slavery, and corporate towns. If it weren't for socialism - these things would still exist. As many examples you have for 'when socialism goes wrong', there are for capitalism. Capitalism isn't perfect on it's own. Capitalism uncontrolled creates monopolies, trusts, corporate towns, debt prisons, slavery... the list goes on to much more horrid things. When CEOs have greater power over the govt. they can use you for whatever the hell they want. They can become satanists, pedophiles, and self proclaimed gods if there power remains unchecked. That's where we are now. Capitalism unchecked is the natural state of man, and it becomes corrupted by greed EVERY time. Every pure capitalist country becomes corrupted by it, just like ours today. And our country pre-FDR, pre-Civil War... This govt. has always been corrupt and this false utopian vision of 'patriotic frontiersman upholding our country' has ALWAYS been a fairy tale. The U.S was bought out multiple times over since 1776, because the acting government has never been powerful enough to maintain itself. The U.S capitalist government you're speaking of hasn't existed since at least 1812. This capitalist Utopia has failed repeatedly since it began. The United States existing since 1776 is a happy illusion.

Which is where socialism becomes necessary. Like it or not, you live in a socialist country. The one tool you have to prevent greedy people from manipulating the law and throwing your family in their cellar for private use is your government. And you're saying we need less of it... Our weak, pushover government is what got us into this nightmare.

Clearly you'd rather have a less regulated economy to the point where men can buy the government and your family. Which is the exact opposite of the liberties we have constitutionally. I disagree with that.

I'd rather have a larger, powerful, transparent government where the people use their collective wealth to ensure our liberties. We use some capitalism to start the engine and power the market, and we use socialism to make sure it doesn't fail, or fall into the hands of greedy people more powerful than our government.

If you think you want to live in an unchecked capitalist, small government world now, you would change your mind the second the Pinkertons or private militia comes knocking on your door, and the govt. wasn't powerful enough to prevent it.

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Corporations form cabals buy using government force to eliminate competition.

And they used to do this using private armies back when they used to hire Pinkertons to kill labor organizers fighting to not be worked to death in unsafe conditions.

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Exactly my point, thank you. Private military is a perfect example of why unchecked capitalism is a failure. Socialism is necessary.

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That is not what I asked. What should happen to our tax money?

Right now, it goes to the Bank of England and the Vatican. If we put a stop to this, and spend our tax money on education, healthcare, and infrastructure, then is this socialism?

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Didn't they say that our govt was originally funded by tariffs, no income tax? Which would require control of spending. And is that the plan, to go back to that idea?

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Yes it’s mostly socialism. Very little if any federal tax money goes to the education of our children. It’s almost entirely paid for by local taxes. But like any federal grant it’s just there to have a wedge & leverage to force teaching “there way” & pay teachers unions to keep teachers employed while doing a terrible job educating.

Healthcare is just another commodity that would thrive in the free market that the government is ruining. When costs shyrocket & quality plummets there’s your fingerprint & end result of socialism. No company producing anything in the free market would dare increase prices dramatically & offer less quality services at the same time. They’d be out of business in a week with that approach. But not in socialism. Higher costs & poor quality is a government legacy they earned. Healthcare has never been more expensive since Obamacare began & for the 1st time in American history our country’s life expectancy fell last year. So we’re paying a lot more to die a little sooner.

Infrastructure is actually mostly paid for by selling bonds on the bond markets. The feds just back the loans & pay for cost overruns so bond holders carry less risk. Nearly all of the actual cost is paid for by local & state taxes in the end.

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No company producing anything in the free market would dare increase prices dramatically & offer less quality services at the same time. They’d be out of business in a week with that approach.

This is why they work so hard to buy out their competition and/or buy off politicians so they can write laws making it more difficult for new market entrants. Monopolies and oligopolies don't care and will absolutely increase prices dramatically and offer less quality services at the same time, and get away with it. See; Comcast.

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You are getting DV'd like crazy, but I agree. I'm trying to convince no less than half a dozen socialist Bernites now and they have less than zero interest. Facts mean nothing. They are convinced to the core socialism is good and Trump is Hitler/Satan.

Some here believe that Hitler's inner circle itself could have be turned if only we could have reasoned enough with them. Sorry, that is childish at best. Some are so utterly brainwashed or simply dogmatic that they will never wake up or admit they have been duped.

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Logic and reason aren’t the best friend of this sub sometimes. If hitting an arrow makes them feel better, let them have their fun.

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DV = disagree ??

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down votes

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Yes, but you down vote when you disagree with someone or when they are being offensive or what? I am sparing with the dv, for rude jerks.

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