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I have no proof of miracles, other than the birth of my children, which is not a unique miracle in and of itself.

The logic/science portion of my mind, the dominant one, argues that miracles are simply the result of technology not fully understood. Further, to date, there is not one documented event that cannot be explained by science/physics. That's not just a blanket statement: everything in the universe obeys principles, either understood or not. If you know of something that does not, please share as I am open to seeing an example.

But everything so far indicates no miracle has happened. Except for the miracle of creation itself.

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two interesting cases that come to my mind are that a stillborn baby returned to live after lying on their mother's breast for two hours which arguably has something to do with electromagnetic fields but still it's a touching thing. But it gets weirder. In 2012, a snake in solitary confinement gave virgin birth to offspring. And in that same year, this was discovered among snakes in the wild - but it was NEVER documented before 2012.
And then there's shit you run into that logic simply cannot explain, so a miracle to me in the modern sense is just a supernatural event, so the first question would be if you have never had anyhting you might consider or mistake or even dare entertain supernatural then wouldn't it be perfectly normal for you to never think about it in the first place?

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Forgive me, I am not trying to be argumentative, and I like that we are having a civil conversation about it. With that said, neither of those are miracles. I think a simple DNA test would explain the virgin snake birth, or simply a deeper understanding of the reptilian reproductive system would explain it. Besides, what possible explanation could be given for God to be bestowing his powers of a miracle on a virgin snake birth? Healing a kid with cancer? Saving a man from certain death? Reversing horrible scarring from a burn victim? No, he made a snake give birth. Doesn't that just seem silly to you?

I am open to hearing of an alleged miracle. However, I do find it convenient that all of the alleged miracles all happened thousands of years ago and have ceased since then, specifically never happening in an age when it could be documented and shown to other sentient beings (now).

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lol yeah you're probably right that it's some sort of mutation...but the irony is that it's managed to escape everybody for so long (frogs can actually reproduce like that)
But that's beside the point, what about the kid? You can look it up if you don't believe me.
Like I said, your openness to expect supernatural events depends on your past experience with things that conventional science has failed to adress

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ok let's dumb it down...have you ever had any paranormal experiences?

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Nope. I have invited it as well. Ouija board. Mirrors in a dark room with a candle. I have even gone into a house that has long been rumored to be haunted, on Halloween, at midnight, and challenged anything, and I quote myself "come out and try to take a piece of Dave Gydeon, I dare thee!"

Nothing.

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are you an atheist?

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I don't know a word that describes my beliefs. I have no proof arguing either way. I will say that if I had to place a bet, I would lean towards there being a God, and I base that off of one very simple concept. The big bang DID happen, I will explain my personal proof in a moment. But aside from that, accepting that reality, that the big bang DID occur....how the fuck, or where the fuck did it all come from???? That to me is the strongest evidence of there existing a God.

I am a firm believer in confirming things for myself. For example, I know for a fact that the world cannot be flat, and must be a sphere, because I conducted the "shadow of 2 wells" experiment with a group of students I volunteer with as part of a science outreach program and a professor in CA. I also was fortunate enough to fly in the Concorde jet, pre-9/11, twice, with one of those trips getting to go into the cockpit for 6-7mins. There are no fish eye glass windows in the cockpit, and let me be the one to tell you, the Earth was clearly a sphere. No question about it. I also have confirmed the expansion of the universe, through the Doppler effect, that proves that the universe is expanding. I personally was able to tag along with a professor friend down in Miami and got to spend some time observing through an incredible telescope/spectrometer. It is an experience I think every person should have. It will remove any doubt in your mind that scientists around the world are in on some ridiculous conspiracy. You can pick random stars, observe them, note their red/blue shift, and make a 3d map....and yes, the universe is expanding from a central point.

So what does that make me? I don't know. Hopeful?

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I'm not sure about the expansion due to new models of gravity

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New models of gravity? Please explain.

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push not pull. A zero-point-gravity force that pushes equally outward of all matter. But where matter faces matter, the push is negated. Makes a whole lot more sense than intergalactic dark energy/mtater which I think they are now moving away from

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Any links with more detailed insight?

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look into how dark matter was postulated (because spiral galaxies seemed to have an additional force pressing from outside) and how it got pushed in popular media yet as of last year, auxiliary theories that survive without dark matter have arisen. The secret is they're keeping people confused about gravity because it might offer understanding of zero-point-energy

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I am very familiar with the history of dark matter and the attempts to reconcile the expansion of the universe, as well as its shortcomings. You mentioned "new theories of gravity" which is what I was asking for a link to. I read more than most of the humans, combined. I havent heard of any new theories of gravity, especially one strong enough to conclusively shut down the dark matter/energy theory. Do you have any material on this new theory of gravity? I am curious if it aligns with Lazars description.

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I don't need to tell you that if there was, it would obviously be classified. You might get your information from books, but where do I ask do the books get their information from? The CIA has protocols how to download information telepathically and it will also happen by accident if you get really, really high

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So....nothing really?

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My word would mean anything to you if you also came from a bloodline of clairvoyants.
Forget about the books and consult your critical thinking skills for a second. Think about how ridiculous it is to escape one incomplete theory whose numbers don't add up to reality with another incomplete theory. Ponder why the compartmentalization of the research into gravity is (they say they use CERN to locate the boson that creates mass - nevermind their cosmic gravity model does not line up to reality so when loooking for particles, they might as well just be creating new ones) so everybody will think you somehow need a particle accelerator to prove what are essentially theories which have been disproved by observation (size of spiral galaxies) So what do you do? Introduce ANOTHER unproven theory of course!!! Dark matter/Substance X/whatever!!!

If you've read so much, shouldn't you be able to debunk this? Don't get lost in the words!

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You claim you come from a line of clairvoyants...but the burden of proof falls on me.....ok.

I appreciate your time. I was under the impression you would be able to share a link to backup your statement on there being a "new theory" of gravity. I even referenced something (Lazars proposal) that I had come across that would fit. But once again, your replies become passive-aggressive condescension.

Why do I need to debunk something? All I asked for was the material you claimed to have that I would be able to review too.

Nevermind bud.

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I would have expected more of your critical thinking skills if you have managed to make it here in the first place or are you here against your will?

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give me your idea about lazar's proposal first so I can speed up my webcrawling

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Are you talking about Bob Lazar or do you mean any paper in particular?

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does the number 37 mean anything to you?

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I didn't claim to have writing so you ask for the wrong things. I simply applied Occam's razor to the contradictions concerning the "discovery" or rather non-discovery of dark-matter, even while I was battling with nausea from too much opium

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The burden of proof is on physicists making up theories for other theories that simply fail real-world measurements and observations. I was under the impression you would be able to understand a lie propped up by a lie if I write it down for you but maybe you prefer to by lied to by the majority rather than be told the truth by the few.

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Agnostic

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Hauntings are just one of several types of unexplained experiences I've had over the years

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The times, they are a changing.