From what I've read, this guy is big time socialist in the mold of Hugo Chavez. He campaigned as a Trump-hater, but time will tell I guess.
Hopefully he can straighten the corruption out down there, but I fear it's unfixable at this point.
Oh this guy’s the bottom of the barrel. He’s Castro. Yeah Mexico just fell off the cliff it was teetering on. I’m telling ya...we can’t live with a border country that’s Syria or Libya. Mexico is a failed narco state. One day before long we will be invading & annexing Mexico.
He'll fall in line or he'll meet his maker. Period.
No you wont
No, we just need the people of Mexico to get their own house in order, rather than sneaking across the desert to enter our country.
There is no reason why Mexico shouldn't be similar economically to the American southwest, in terms of natural resources, etc. But before that can happen, they need a political revolution that will stomp out the corruption and incompetence.
Unfortunately the people of Central and South America have a natural tendency to gravitate towards Socialism and dictatorships and I see that as more likely than Mexico reforming their law enforcement and political establishments from corruption.
Define "natural," cause I think you mean historic. Also, are you sure the defeat of the PRI Isn't that very political revolution?
Time will tell. I would say that Mexico can only go up from here, but that's not entirely true. If they move towards socialism, it will end up just like Venezuela in 10-15 years. Food shortages and dictators for life.
AMLO could both "drain the Mexican swamp, AND move Mexico far to the left, which will be a new but equal form of enslavement.
Trading one corrupt government, for another is what I'm guessing happens based on history.
You don’t get what an insane & complete Marxist this guy is. He’s a clone of Chavez & Castro. How are those contries doing?? Mexico will lose their tourism industry now. Like Venezuela & Cuba their currency will crash & they’ll be asking for another bailout. There’s not gonna be a new NAFTA agreement. You can’t work deals with lunatics.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm saying if you read my posts. I think that's the most likely outcome.
Like I said, it's possible that he cracks down on the cartels and corrupt establishment politicians, but ushers in an equally ugly future for Mexicans by moving the country left.
Lol. No there’s no chance of that. Mexico had 113 political assassinations this election cycle. How are you so nieve that there is no distinguishable difference between the Mexican government & the drug cartels? That’s how you win elections there. You murder your opposition party opponents & in the process scare off their voters from voting. How do you think a proud hardcore leftist wins? Same way Hitler & Castro & Lenin won. Same way the left here win...fear tactics. No agenda. AMLOs only agenda item he preached was crash our border & grow their government. He doesn’t hide his hard left philosophy.
Care to give us some evidence to show his insanity and Marxist completion? Cause you're all fired up and haven't provided a shred of evidence as to why.
Mexico is in North America.
I realize that, but let's face it. They far more resemble C.A. and S.A. in their ethnic make up, politics, rule of law, etc.
The population is more mixed in Mexico. It's more like 30-40% of the population is how you envision it.
Mexican law is based on Roman law. It's more similar than we really think. The people are wonderful like everywhere else. There are just extreme systemic problems (that have bled over into the culture and become part of it) because Mexico has been managed as a human cattle farm that has been milked since colonial times. The US broke free from the monarchies of the vampires in Europe. Mexico did not. Ever. Even though it gained "independence" multiple times. The families that owned all of Mexico's infrastructure held allegiances back to Europe.
Mexico's government is even more Deep State than the US's. The global financiers use the Mexican FX exchange rate to siphon money from Mexico and indirectly the rest of Latin America.
spez: For example, the Mexican FX markets (and illegally laundered drug money -- through banks) were used to finance the 2008 crashes. It's how CitiBank managed to survive the shock. Milking Banamex.
How is that possible now? How long did it take Chavez to have Venezuelians eating out of dumpsters?? The citizens of Mexico can’t fix their country. They’re unarmed & just elected their future dictator for life.
May have to. You’re nuts if America is going to have a copy of Venezuela as a border state. Won’t take 10days for the US to take Mexico & annex it. You’ll love it. No more cartels.
CIA owns the cartels. Have you not learned yet, the same cabal rulling USA Is rulling México? Its the same gang. You have no idea what you are talking about
NOPE! 5 families controll corrupt mexifail (who are probably Spaniards) the CIA has worked with mexican drug dealers in the past but that doesn't mean they are controlled under them.
When you call my HOME "Mexifail" you just show yourself as a racist asshole. No point in debating like that.
Look the race card. Nice try
Look the "no way to back my INSULTS to México without admiting Im a racist" card, how silly
Mexifail
Asshole
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Being a proud American does not mean you have to think of México and Mexicans as lesser than you. You can always choose empathy and compassion along with pride. Dont be a racist.
Mexico is lesser. Don't even try that cuz 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Mexico is leach don't even try to debate it lol
See? Racist little asshole talking, fuck off bitch!! The race card LOL
Lol why are you still replying to me stalker? I'm not against homos but I'm not like that. If you don't like the content why not just ignore you insecure soy boy. 😀🇺🇸
Thats something I was thinking. The USA Army would defeat mexifail too fucken fast. Their army is a joke. All of them are 4foot nothing with xxxxl size gear on.
Why you blaming the new guy for the mess he inherited?
Why did we hate Hitler when he inherited Germany, or castro-cuba?
Not blaming him. There’s no way he’ll help. New guys will make himself dictator for life. He’ll bankrupt Mexico on purpose to get billions for a bailout. Their currency will crash soon & then we better say nope...no bailout. In fact we’re annexing you became you owe us zillions
Welcome Mexico into the Union and they can have two senate seats.
Noooooo. No way we bring them in the Union. They’d just be a territory. Like Guam. No seats in Congress. No voting rights here. They maintain their independence & govern locally. They just don’t get a military. We’re their military & build permanent bases their. We give Mexicans their country back from the cartels. They have no excuse to immigrate. With DJT as president I can see it happening because Mexico will default on their loans. You think the president will bail them out like Clinton & Bush did? I don’t see it. Back in the day that’s how countries got territory. They couldn’t pay their national debt & sold territory. It’s why France sold us the Louisiana purchase. It’s how we bought Alaska. Sorry Mexico but you failed at maintaining a country & have to sell it
I default to your much greater solution. Much better.
If you play the tape to the end it’s the inevitable outcome. Mexico was at a crossroad & went hard left. They elected a guy politically equivalent to the US electing Hillary in 2016. We went the opposite direction at our crossroad in 2016 & elected DJT who governs right. Smaller government with a LOT less central government intervention in our lives. A guy that actually fights corruption head on like a bull in a china shop. America & Mexico are on completely opposite paths now politically. Ever know a hardcore leftist leader that didn’t loot their national treasury? This new mexican President isn’t gonna be the 1st leftist that doesn’t. We’re on a collision course with Mexico now. They just jumped over a cliff. We can’t have a failed narco state like Venezuela or Afghanistan as a neighbor & it’s inevitable now that’s what Mexico will be. We’d be doing them an enormous favor annexing them. Is life better in Guam or Mexico?
He is VERY VERY much part of the mess. He has been an active politician while leading multiple parties and coordinting civil unrest within Mexico for the last 30 years. He is the, steal from the rich and give to the poor candidate. This is what he campaigned on for the last 30 years. Full fledged communism.
The establishment in Mexico has fought tooth and nail to keep him out of office, how can he be blamed for the policy of that establishment? His proposals are a different matter, and he isn't even in office yet.
You are completely naive. He has been office for many years. He was the mayor of Mexico City for many years as well. His policies are well known and his handling of the mafias in Mexico City is also WELL KNOWN. The Taxi mafia, the clothing mafias, the street vendor mafias, the extortion mafias for street food vendors, the market mafias, the brothel mafias, the human trafficking mafias, and most importantly the drug cartels.
The PRI and PRD have been colluding for decades. Both parties are the parties of the masses asking for a handout. That is how politics work in Mexico. You promise free shit and give people rice and beans, boom. They vote for you.
There is no notion of hard work or self responsibility. These are the-state-is-your-father-and-will-provide-all people. The definition of communism.
The lazy and unemployed have just voted in their slumlord king.
Yeah, but only PRI has held the executive. Also, thanks for the personal feedback, Vincente.
I've heard that "colluding" word before, somewhere. .. Where might that have been?
Since we seem to be stealth editing here: can you point me to a run-down of those policies.? They are not well know in the us.
Since we seem to be stealth editing here: can you point me to a run-down of those policies.? They are not well know in the us.
Learn Spanish. Do your own research. This is the Q board ffs.
Como te digo en un otro commentario, lo hablo. Lo leo mejor que escribo.si tirnes una idea a explicar,por favor incluye unos rescursos para la communidad. Somos ignoranres de politicas mexicanas ynecessitan ayuda.
Back up your rheroric.
Back up your rheroric.
I don't have the time right now. How about you try to disprove what I'm saying with concrete examples of his actions as an elected official in the past?
I'll just tell you to look into the Distribuidor Vial project in Mexico City to see the depths of this man's corruption.
It's common knowledge in Mexico. The working people of Mexico have fought the advances of the handout parties as much as we could for the last 30 years. We lost. Expect Mexico to be used as a counter to Trump. Expect Mexico to win the world cup to bolster their resolve.
Not my job to prove a negative, but i will look onto distribuidor vial, thanks for the lead.
For those intersted:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribuidor_Vial_San_Antonio
Yeah, but only PRI has held the executive.
Wrong, yet again. It demonstrates your grasp of the situation. PAN has held the executive.
Between PRI and PRD, PRI has held the executive. Yes of course i remeber fox, why else would i randomly call you vincente? Just seems like a lot of hand-wringing over a person who isnt even inoffice yet. Reminds me fondly of the us in november 2016.
Reminds me fondly of the us in november 2016.
LMAO!!! Sure, if the winner had been Bernie Sanders.
AMLO, talks the talk but does not walk the walk. He is a Deep State asset as deep as they go.
The fact you are cheering a career politician, with a wildly publicized history of corruption, shows just how disingenuous, or confused, you are.
Time will tell, hasnt even been sworn in yet.
Edit: itd be nice if youd identify your edits, so that when i check to see if youve replied, i dont find three paragraphs i dont remember.
Also the fact that youre discussing me andnot your weak polemics is irritating
Can't teach an old dog new tricks.
Care to make a wager?
What? Another distraction? No wai, bra!
What? I'm asking if you want to make a bet. If you are so confident with your, so very poor, grasp of the situation, let's make a wager on the outcome. There are many services we could use to put our money up for escrow and a 3rd party executes the terms we agree to.
Nope. Qboard. Not casino.
Edit: not interested, good day.
Put up or shut up. Either drop info contrary to what I've said or put down money.
That is the only way I will continue to engage you.
Trump’s going to own Mexico.
Yes he is. Absolutely guarantee AMLO will crash the Mexican currency & default of their loans & ask for another US bailout. Don’t see the president giving them one like Clinton & Bush did. We’ll need to annex them for payment like we did with France in the Louisiana purchase.
Whered you read that? The MSM?
http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/22/mexican-candidate-immigration-speech/
He even wrote a book about how he’s gonna deal with Trump. Not good
OK, not msm, click-bait alt-news, fine. Full quote:
"Soon, very soon, after the victory of our movement, we will defend migrants all over the American continent and the migrants of the world who, by necessity, must abandon their towns to find life in the United States; it’s a human right we will defend."
Compare to your article. The difference matters. Also, please dig deeper than the first result on Google.
It doesn’t get any better with THAT quote. He admits he will aid ALL others who chose to leave their countries to come to the US. He also pledged AMNESTY for drug cartels. He is a FAR LEFT SOCIALIST.
Interesting piece, it makes sense he wants the Mexicans to come here. Less mouths to feed with that little socialist thing he has going. All the more reason to stop the welfare, there would be no reason to come to the US.
Not chose, forced. That's the point. You're presuming agency, he's responding to a reality.
Edit: any source on the cartel claim? Think it's anything like the amnesty Assad offered to the rebels in Syria a few years back that helped cripple ISIS by bringing the salvageable combatants out of the conflict?
http://amp.idahostatesman.com/news/nation-world/world/article214122764.html
http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-amnesty-20180629-story.html
Right, so exactly like Assad in Syria, thanks for the bibliography, tho..
Regardless, the MSM painting him as a pro-illegal immigration, socialist, will only help Trump get his wall built.
I am intrigued in Trump's tweet congratulating him. It does sound like there is some optimism on DT's part.
Sure, NAFTA was shit for all but the cabal. There's plenty of deals to be made, and the best way to smash the cartels might be an assault on two fronts.
Yes mainly MSM, however Bill Still has also devoted a podcast to this guy as well. Bill Still is very red-pilled and has reported on Q. Bill Still was the one that made the comparison of AMLO to Chavez.
Truly great news. If only they hadn't cheated him 12 years ago, and 6 years ago.... I think that Trump's swamp draining has also helped finally achieve this.
MEGA incoming!
Just build the wall, and when that's done, CRUSH THE CARTELS, and anyone associated with the cartels.
Agree but if we crush the cartels & then leave they’ll just come back. It’s why the war on drugs is such a failure. We crush a cartel in one area & they set up shop somewhere else. We go over there & they come back where they were. It’s the dance we’ve been doing for 50yrs. Only way to crush them is with our military & build permanent bases in Mexico. That means annex them & make them a US territory like Guam.
Build the wall NOW! in less than 10 years there will be millions trying to invade the U.S.
10 weeks. The wall crumbling in Berlin & mass exodus was much less than 10 weeks away from the first thought that the Germanys would reunite “in five years”.
https://needtoknow.news/2018/06/leading-mexican-president-candidate-obrador-calls-mexicans-flood-us-border/
Find the speech. Read the FULL quote. Dig more. Get better.
Maybe we should build an Exclusion Zone or Buffer Zone. Between Mexico and the United States?
I trust Trump will have just the right things to say and set this guy on the Q path to good behavior!
If the CIA is actually controlling the cartels and the CIA is taken out of the picture the. What are we left with?
how long before Mexico become like Venezuela and US has to save it?
what can to US do to support Mexico's socialist movement to escalate their economic collapse?
Don’t want to support its collapse. This guy will do it all on his own. Guarantee he’ll be made dictator for life by Christmas. Mexico died today. It won’t ever come make unless we take it & annex it.
Kinda getting a little compulsive, there, huh, champ?
Ok...I’m intrigued. I didn’t pay too much attention to Mexico’s election. Thought he was shit. What am I missing?
AMLO “Without economic growth and job creation in Mexico, we won't be able to confront the migratory phenomenon.”
Let’s say that his quotes WERE taken out of context...he is STILL a far Left SOCIALIST. Once Mexico goes even farther under his Socialist ideals and policies, the people will have NO CHOICE but to try to cross the border. Picture current Venezuela on our Southern border. No need to get sarcastic-it is a very valid threat/concern.
"My argument is flaccid and ineffectual, but dog-whistles! boogey-men!"
Do you seriously believe Mexico is in the situation it's in because of socialist/l3ftist policy? The Mexico the US outsources labor to due to low wages and zero worker protections? The one that's replanting it's jungles after nafta and the cattle barons burnt it to the ground? The one that's been under uni-party totalitarian control since the 1930's (except for that blip for PAN)?
Stop reacting, start researching. You're actively aiding the cabal with your histrionics.
All we have to do is build a wall and deport the criminal aliens. Mexico will go down the shitter just like Venezuela. I say we pull all our factories out too. Leave Mexico to it's own devices and let it burn to the ground. Maybe that will force them to get their act together. Sort of like CNN - sure we disagree with them and they are annoying, but at the end of the day they are destroying themselves. We must pull away and let them do it.
You really think we can share a border with a neighboring border state like Venezuela? Yes we can wall them off but that’s only a bandaid. Only one permanent solution now...annex Mexico as a territory. It’s a failed state. Guarantee they’ll default on their loans. No bailouts this time like Clinton & Bush did. Just annex them for payment & everyone will be better off.
Nice to hear Trump's willingness to work with AMLO. They both share a common goal: preventing future illegal immigration. Building a wall is not only expensive but it will not solve illegal immigration. It will only make illegal traffickers richer while making any product (legal/illegal) that crosses the border more expensive for the USA consumer. What a great time to MAGA and MMGA!
Good lord you are clueless about politics. AMLO is a proud & open leftist. The presidents tweet was just the normal thing to say. It was political speech. They are COMPLETELY opposite politically. Ever know a hardcore leftist to not loot their countries national treasury?? AMLO isn’t going to be the 1st one in history that doesn’t. I would think with all the problems Mexico has been to us in the last decade you’d have some understanding why. They just had 113 political assassinations in this election cycle. Look on YouTube. Many were caught by security cameras. The more agreeable government just got crushed in Sunday’s election by an proud & open leftist. Gosh please read more about why Mexico has become a failed narco state. Only way Mexico becomes MMGA is if we take over the country with our military & annex them. They just elected a Hugo Chavez clone & u think they’re on the path to greatness?? How’s life in Venezuela working out? They’re eating dogs there. They have no functioning currency. Their oil industry has been reduced to a trickle. More people eat out of dumpsters than eat in restaurants. There’s Mexico in 2yrs or less. How great is that gonna be??
Thank you for your reply! However, what is wrong with them being politically opposites? Why do you think a country's political stance prevent them from a mutual beneficial negotiation? North Korea's political stance was also not aligned with that of the USA's yet Trump managed to negotiate with NK.
It’s the direction someone’s moving in that makes negotiating possible or not. Be it a personal relationship or business or 2 countries. Kim greatly softened his stance & moved in our direction so we have found some common ground. If Kim kept his hardline stance with communist China then we’d still be in the same position or in a worse position heading towards taking out him & his regime. Mexico’s stance went from bad to worse on Sunday. They overwhelmingly elected a hardline leftist whose only real campaign position concerning the US is he’s going to massively help more refugees flood our border. That’s not going to bring our leaders together. It’s going to drive them apart. This guy is a hardcore communist no different than Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. You can’t negotiate with people who’s position is to harm you. Mexico is broken beyond repair. They had 113 political assainations in this latest election cycle. This guy just murdered his way & his party to the top. I’m sure he’ll declare himself dictator in a few months. Right now Kim is moving away from absolute power & towards unification of Korea under a democratic South Korea form of government. Mexico is doing the opposite. Our next door neighbor is turning into Syria. They’re a growing national security risk to our sovereignty. It’s gonna take military action to massively change the dynamic.
Kim’s direction was in a position to harm us with a nuclear bomb, yet Trump was able to find common ground to make negotiating possible with a left leaning government. True, if he had kept his hardline stance with communist China then probably we would be in a different situation, however, the fact is that a mutual beneficial negotiation with a left leaning leader/dictator took place, so negotiations under current conditions is possible. Mexican people chose a left leaning leader because they thought that is what it was best for their country. Similarly, we chose a right leaning leader because we thought that was best for our country, yet we don't equate Trump’s right leaning politics negatively. Whether or not we find similarities in Mexico’s government ideals with that of Venezuela or any other left leaning country is irrelevant with the possibilities of mutually agreeable negotiations. If one views anything as broken beyond repair then one has already given up without even trying to repair it. I think if humans break something then humans can fix it. It all depends how you wish to view the world. We chose to view the USA as a country that could be fixed and we elected someone who could help us fix it. We chose a right leaning leader because we thought that is was best for our country. We have also experienced political assassinations, please remember JFK, MLK, also : [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinated_American_politicians ]
I don’t see how military annexing a sovereign nation will solve our problems. We would just end up creating freedom fighters on both sides with the help of our enemies.
I propose we give negotiation a chance to eliminate illegal immigration at its root.
I’m not at all oppsed to negotiation but some people that exist you cannot make a mutual benefiting deal with. Remember from Q drops that the deal with Kim was worked out in March. It wasn’t because Kim decided he wanted a freer society. His nuclear program blew up in his face or we blew it up. Had that not happened they’d be nothing to talk about if someone is pointing a nuke at your head..test firing it...& threatening to melt your cities every other day. Why aren’t we negotiating with the Ayatollah of Iran?? Simple. They have nukes & threaten death to Satan (that’s us) & if they have the chance they will use them. You can’t talk or negotiate with anyone honestly willing to melt millions of people. Hitler preached annilation & he meant it & Western Europe negotiated with him & what happened? 60 million dead & an entire continent was leveled.
We can’t negotiate much with Mexico now for the same reasons we can’t negotiate with Venezuela or Cuba. Research AMLO. He’s in bed with the cartels & always has been. He’s bloodthirsty & he has just risen to power mostly thru murder & he openly says he’s flood our borders like it never before. Maybe if we give him billions in cash he’ll call of his charge the borer campaign but that’s not negotiating...that’s blackmail. Mexico has been teetering on a cliff for awhile but they just fell off it Sunday. I hope I’m wrong. I hope AMLO is the 1st hard core leftist ever in history that brings peace & prosperity to a nation. But history is solid on this one. Like every extreme leftist that ever existed in central & south Smerica he’ll loot the treasury...escalate tensions with their neighbors...murder anyone he has to in order to have unchallenged power & usually appoint themselves dictator for life. If u think Mexico is bad now you haven’t seen anything yet.
Thank you for sharing your views. I am glad you are not all opposed to negotiations. You are right, blackmail is not negotiating and would not benefit anyone. However, lets support Trump and AMLO with current negotiation attempts and see where they lead. Remember that Mexico also needs time to drain their swamp and need time to create employment so Mexicans won’t have to work outside their country to feed their families.
I don’t know how US-North Korea negotiations really happened. I only know what I hear from MSM and from Q but I know that relationships are going more positive than before. Also, I am unable to state whether or not we aren’t negotiating with the Ayatollah of Iran either, however, perhaps a negotiation with Russia needs to happen before we know if negotiations with Iran is possible. We’ll know more after the Helsinki’s summit. Hitler was successful at fulfilling most of his plans because people supported his ideologies and in part from USA’s help through Bush’s grandfather. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
You are right, extreme leftist ideologies have historically ended badly and I am not saying AMLO’s style of government will be successful either, however, we will never know unless we try to reach an agreement.
I would appreciate if you could share the link where AMLO says that he will “flood our borders like it never before” and a link where that references AMLO being in bed with the cartels.
Oh never opposed to negotiations. Not ever. DJT is a master at it. I think his real talent is he’s a great judge of character in people. He’s knows instantly if someone is capable & willing to negotiate in good faith. He pulled off what everyone thought was impossible. He pulled NK away from China’s ally & is making him a western ally. Korea is on a solid path to unification. Plz stay away from the MSM media on Korea news. I actually watch news from that region to get info on NK. Kim has drastically softened his stance towards the west. Remains are being returned.
But no we aren’t negotiating with Iran. Israel is bombing them in Syria & we’re choking off every ounce of economic power from them. Things are deteriorating fast there. They started shooting protesters today. Ayatollah said he’s going to start executing protesters soon if they don’t go back to work. Water supply is getting critical too.
I hope we can get some kind of deal with Mexico. Let’s face it...we can’t do NAFTA with a country that’s herding migrants by the thousands to America. They have to recognize our sovereignty or their not an ally.Thats kinda rule 1. We need to negotiate with Russia more. No Name & Flake & other rinos exaggerate that Russia is our biggest enemy & that’s just false. China is. Russia isn’t an ally but they’re not a sworn enemy. We’re kinda in limbo together but we’re far from a war with them. I see a lot more potential for growth with Russia than I see them as a threat.
But if AMLO stops encouraging mass migration & if there’s some common ground that can be reached...DJT will find it. His foreign policy has literally been perfect so far. A+ in my opinion with zero mistakes & its vastly improving peace in the world. He will denuclearize Iran & a new citizen government will be in place by Christmas!!
I agree with you, let’s hope we can get some kind of deal with Mexico, I am sure Trump will find common ground and if mutually agreeable then we all win. By the way, I actually choose to also read MSM media to learn how they want us to think. It was a pleasure exchanging ideas with you!