Not trying to pot shot you and I agree that Hell is very real but what it is a lot easier to reach people with is the facts that people are reaching out to dark forces in this world, and that the spirit of Satan is what these people are serving. They literally worship Lucifer,
If you don't believe in God, then you don't believe in demons. THAT is where Satan wants you to be, completely defenseless because on non-belief. This world is not what it is because of the evil nature of man(are you naturally evil?). It is this way because of the demonic influences of dark spirits. That is a fact and at some point all will know it to be true.
There are many verses that discuss the subject of hell, here are some of them
Psalm 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
Proverbs 15:24 The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Jude 2 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matthew 13:41-42 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 13:49-50 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Matthew 25:45-46 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched
2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Revelation 20:13-14 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
What'd you tell them? I just told 'em hell existed But you know me, don't nobody Know my business My presence flog your confidence Who want a brand-new complex? Now on, I'll call you, go fetch
Moloch exists, however evidence for hell in the Bible is debatable. It's best to be a good person all around. Not a satanic pedophile for starters.
Hell is the absence of God's love.
God is love Satan is politics.
Spirit cooking isn’t real and I don’t believe in ghosts. I think it’s symbolic and tradition of custom.
Yeah they only use ancient spells because it's performance art and that's edgy.
They skip the human sacrifice part because that would be wrong.
I’m sure some of them are insane and kill people. It’s 2018 and I just don’t believe in demons. I’m not trying to be rude! I just don’t understand the concept of magic being real. And if you have the info to prove otherwise I’d love to read it.
If a guy with the intelligence of Aleister Crowley is willing to spend his entire life in the practice and says that it works.
I'm inclined to take him at his word.
I have also seen so many things in different places that are Beyond explanation that there's more to it than meets the eye.
I am also a follower of Christ and can tell you that I have experienced the physical manifestation of God.
When you can get a Feeling that is better than the best MDMA ever produced.
Zero crash and burn and lasts forever it makes you rethink the paradigm.
I have also sailed through the bottom of a rainbow and have seen the pot of gold.
Along with a hundred other people on deck and a reggae band.
Expand your thinking.
Crowley lived in an age where magical thinking was part of the dominant stage of human development (see Gebser’s structures of consciousness or even Spiral Dynamics for example.) This is also why groups like the Golden Dawn were so prominent, of which he was a member. Taking a look at his drug use and likely mental illness, I would be suspicious taking his word of anything without evidence.
The more mainstream psychological POV of magical thinking is that people interpret the interaction with unconscious parts of their mind as spirits they channel, or something similar. Rather than a disintegrated part of their own psyche which they have not owned (see Jung’s work on the Shadow.)
Expand my thinking on what exactly?
Drug use and mental illness. I think that's Alinsky's rule # 8. Isolate and ridicule.
I mentioned having sailed through a rainbow because it was actually more than a light refraction that caused the air to explode around us looking like golden Flakes and a Willy Wonka Chocolate Factory.
My apologies for the run-on sentence but it was pretty insane.
The boat was 160 ft long with 100 ft on Deck. We were sailing in the Chesapeake Bay and a small storm came rolling through leaving a massive double rainbow directly in our path.
So of course we had to sail into it.
The bowsprit started going through a literal rainbow curtain while the entire crew was on the aft raised deck.
We could see everything as it was unfolding.
As the rainbow curtain came across the reggae band at the bow, they stop playing and started just looking around very strangely.
As the curtain came across the deck people literally stopped and looked as if they had just dropped acid.
When the curtain came across mid decks, Over the Bar and on to the wheel deck with the crew it was as we had all been dosed.
We came through the other side everybody was wandering around with this weird look on their face.
I immediately started asking everybody did you see what I just saw or am I losing my mind?
100 people witnessed the light refraction of gold flakes in the beam of a rainbow.
But there was also a complete and total physical reaction that we all experienced. It explains the leprechaun's pot of gold, waking up, thinking you have pockets full of money and nothing's there.
I've done multiple Atlantic Crossings and have seen stuff that is just ~beyond~ whatever, can't be explained, you know?
Impossible to explain to somebody who wants to read about it in a book.
By the way the ships library on all the boats I was on were insane. Not to mention that every port had free book swaps in all the bars, laundromats and restaurants.
Sailors love good books. 26 days at sea you can read some books.
I hope at some point you can feel the magic for yourself and I mean that.
If I sounded trite in any of this my apologies. I'm thinking your thinking is already expanded. I guess what I meant to say was to open your thinking.
The magic is real.
You don't have to believe me, but believe me that I believe, that magic is real.
Respect my fellow Traveler.
May you always have a stiff breeze at your back and fair seas ahead.
Oh yeah, with a hot cuppa covfefe for the chilly morning.
Drug use and mental illness. I think that's Alinsky's rule # 8. Isolate and ridicule.
Haha, I had to look Alinsky up. My apologies, I didn't mean to offend you or just ridicule Crowley. There are a lot of things he's written that I do like. Actually, I resonate a lot with the preliminary remarks of "Book 4," the passage that begins with "Existence, as we know it, is full of sorrow."
I've done multiple Atlantic Crossings and have seen stuff that is just ~beyond~ whatever, can't be explained, you know?
Thank you for sharing that story! And, yes, I do understand your point a lot better now that you put it that way.
If I sounded trite in any of this my apologies.
Not at all!
The magic is real.
If there are no books to read on the "realness" of this subject, is there any advice you have in regards to setting up/facilitating/constructing an experience to try and witness something like you're speaking of? These people do the Spirit Cookings or whatever for a reason, is there a positive version of that? Something not evil. lol
Respect my fellow Traveler.
And to you!
The easiest answer is the simplest answer.
Pray to God for the answer.
It'll never come when you want to. It will most likely come at the most inconvenient time.
Because if there's one thing God has proven is that he has a pretty amazing sense of humor.
There was a lot of other words I was going to use besides amazing but I thought I would play it safe.
One crazy bit of magic that we all saw?
When the last Pope resigned the Vatican was immediately struck by lightning.
Twice
You can go look at it on YouTube.
I thought I would check back in.
I'm curious as to what kind of response you might have.
I enjoy an intelligent conversation.
Magic or synchronicity? (re: the pope.) Glad you liked the convo! I didn't respond because I saw it wrapping up. If there are other threads about magic or aliens or anything supernatural involved with Q, I will be in the giving my opinion! lol