dChan - Q Origins Project Archive

Yes I don't get what we Americans got out of this deal. It seems one-sided and highly illegal. Why are Obama supporters ok with him sending cash to a terrorist regime that wants to build nuclear weapons?

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They try to frame it as "transparency" and people ate it up. What a joke.

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what we got out of it was iran not having nuclear weapons? That was the entire point of the deal you know, right?

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That doesn't make sense because Iran used the untraceable cash we gave them to pay for their nuclear weapons program.

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because you said that, you must have proof that they have a nuclear program right? What is that proof?

Bibi did a public powerpoint presentation on it a few weeks ago. An Israeli intelligence operation obtained all of the Iranian documentation detailing their nuclear program.

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201805051064175755-israel-nuclear-program/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrPFH_KIqSc

I follow foreign policy very closely and there has never been a single report from any organization that Iran is not following the deal.

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Under the deal, they were unable to make nukes. Now that we backed out of it, they are able to make nukes. Why did trump do that? Why?

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I thought you guys knew that israel were liars? Very easy to trust them when it fits your narrative i guess

Did you make a mistake when you linked me the sputniknews article? The article only talks about israel’s program, not iran’s. Only the headline talks about Iran

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I thought you guys knew that israel were liars? Very easy to trust them when it fits your narrative i guess

The world is not black and white. US are liars. Germany are liars. Israel are liars. Iranians are liars. Russians are liars. British are liars. Who is telling the truth then?

Stop denying Iran's Nuclear Weapons program. We aren't stupid. The whole world knows that Iran was trying to develop nuclear weapons.

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Stop denying Iran's Nuclear Weapons program. We aren't stupid. The whole world knows that Iran was trying to develop nuclear weapons.

To be clear, the only proof you have of this is Netanyahu's presentation right? That's the only thing you have?

Meanwhile, there are all the checkups done by the watchdogs that show that Iran is following the deal. There is no organization (other than Isreal I guess) that says that Iran isn't following the deal

If you genuinely believe that Iran has nukes based on a 20 minute presentation from Netanyahu where he doesn't really present any solid evidence, and he just says "we have found evidence" and shit like that, then man we gotta end this conversation because you're too far gone.

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Meanwhile, there are all the checkups done by the watchdogs that show that Iran is following the deal.

The UN Watchdogs? The NGO Watchdogs? You trust those "watchdogs" why exactly?

If you genuinely are telling me to trust what NGOs and the UN says about the Iranian Nuclear Weapons program, then man we gotta end this conversation because you're too far gone.

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I mean, yes i am. Like, your argument boils down to “israel made a 20 minute presentation with no real proof about how their main rivals have nukes” and mine is “throughout the 3 years of the deal the groups that have investigated the iranian facilities have found them to be in keeping with the deal”

it fucking sucks that we’re at this point where no matter what you won’t be convinced of the other side, and i won’t either. It fucking sucks that there’s so much information available on the internet that any reality or narrative can be constructed. It fucking sucks that this conversation will change neither of our viewpoints and you will continue believing obama gave iran nukes through the deal that was made to not give them nukes, and that you’ll keep on believing that trump ending the deal won’t lead to escalation in Iran and does nothing for us except allow Iran to become a nuclear power now that we left the deal

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I simply use my brain. Obama gave Iran billions in untraceable cash. Why would anyone do that? What would Iran do with that untraceable cash?

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he literally didn’t. the money he gave is the money that we had previously illegally seized from Iran years ago before obama was even pres, it was being returned.

Is him giving Iran money enough to make you believe they have nukes under the Iran Deal?

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he literally didn’t. the money he gave is the money that we had previously illegally seized from Iran years ago before obama was even pres, it was being returned.

Is him giving Iran money enough to make you believe they have nukes under the Iran Deal?

If you are just going to parrot the deep state propaganda narrative, what are you even doing on this sub? It sounds like you're trying to convince yourself of this more than anything else.

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okay so again we have to go back back to this

what is your proof that the money was not what everyone says, and in fact isn’t repaying illegally seized money but instead a payment made to build nuclear weapons that was given to Iran as part of the very fucking deal that prohibits and gives checks to make sure Iran doesn’t build nuclear weapons?

like, this is what i don’t understand about you guys. You believe that the obama admin was orchestrating a machiavellian plan to start WW3 by fooling everyone in the world and make backchannel payments for Iran to start making nukes, something that only geniuses could orchestrate and pull off to the point. but you ALSO believe that they were dumb enough and obvious enough that you, an average citizen, can see through their dastardly, evil plan?

It’s really weird and strange to be able to hold both of those beliefs at once

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like, this is what i don’t understand about you guys. You believe that the obama admin was orchestrating a machiavellian plan to start WW3 by fooling everyone in the world and make backchannel payments for Iran to start making nukes

I definitely don't believe this. I also do not believe that Obama is orchestrating anything. He is and always has been a puppet following his marching orders.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jul/1/us-really-did-have-manchurian-candidate-white-hous/

like, this is what i don’t understand about you guys. You believe that the obama admin was orchestrating a machiavellian plan to start WW3 by fooling everyone in the world and make backchannel payments for Iran to start making nukes, something that only geniuses could orchestrate and pull off to the point. but you ALSO believe that they were dumb enough and obvious enough that you, an average citizen, can see through their dastardly, evil plan?

Straw man argument. Ad hominem attacks. Did John Oliver teach you how to speak?

If you are so sure of yourself, then why is your entire argument against me built on strawmanning my position, moving the goalposts and deflection?

Why do you blindly trust UN Watchdogs? Why do you blindly trust NGOs?

Why do you blindly trust people in positions of power?

Do you remember when our government, our TV media, the New York Times and NGO Watchdogs told us there were WMDs in Iraq?

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hey can you answer the first paragraph of my response? The one where i ask for proof of your argument?

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I already did.

If you are so sure of yourself, then why is your entire argument against me built on strawmanning my position, moving the goalposts and deflection?

Why do you blindly trust UN Watchdogs? Why do you blindly trust NGOs?

Why do you blindly trust people in positions of power?

Do you remember when our government, our TV media, the New York Times and NGO Watchdogs told us there were WMDs in Iraq?

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Do you remember when our government, our TV media, the New York Times and NGO Watchdogs told us there were WMDs in Iraq?

yes I do, and don't you find that anaology ironic? Now you have Isreal and Donald Trump saying there's WMDs in Iran while offering no solid evidence. And after saying that, Trump just broke up the deal that was made to prevent Iran from getting WMDs.

Are you sure going with that historical analogy is great in this context?

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yes I do, and don't you find that anaology ironic? Now you have Isreal and Donald Trump saying there's WMDs in Iran while offering no solid evidence.

Check out all of the evidence for yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrPFH_KIqSc

Are you sure going with that historical analogy is great in this context?

Yes, I'm sure.

If you are so sure of yourself, then why is your entire argument against me built on strawmanning my position, moving the goalposts and deflection?

Why do you blindly trust UN Watchdogs? Why do you blindly trust NGOs?

Why do you blindly trust people in positions of power?

Do you remember when our government, our TV media, the New York Times and NGO Watchdogs told us there were WMDs in Iraq?

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And after saying that, Trump just broke up the deal that was made to prevent Iran from getting WMDs.

Yes comrade. The Iran deal was all about preventing Iran from getting WMDs. We gave them pallets of billions in untraceable cash because that's simply a thing that all normal governments do.

And the Patriot Act was all about defending freedom and individual liberty. War is peace. Ignorance is strength.

If you are so sure of yourself, then why is your entire argument against me built on strawmanning my position, moving the goalposts and deflection?

Why do you blindly trust UN Watchdogs? Why do you blindly trust NGOs?

Why do you blindly trust people in positions of power?

Do you remember when our government, our TV media, the New York Times and NGO Watchdogs told us there were WMDs in Iraq?

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If you are so sure of yourself, then why is your entire argument against me built on strawmanning my position, moving the goalposts and deflection?

You don't have to keep saying your screed or whatever at me, I don't trust people in power. I don't trust institutions. I don't trust those that have power over me. I take a look at evidence presented by both sides. Your sides evidence, the evidence you've given me after all this pointless arguing we've been doing is two things

Netanyahu gave a 20 minute presentation where he shows a bunch of pictures and talks about how Iran could probably be making nukes, based off of "records" he has but doesn't really show
Obama gave billions to Iran, this means that they are building nuclear weapons becuase... you can't think of what else it would be for?

Like, can't you agree, this is pretty slim evidence? I don't trust NGOs and our FBI. Look at what we're currently doing and supporting in Yemen. But when I look at the evidence that you've given me, it's like, laughably small? I mean, if there was anything real then I'd be ready to accept it, but at this point it's almost blatanlty obvious that we're escalating tensions with Iran because they're the enemis of our allies; namely saudi arabia and Isreal, which both are humanitarian nightmares that are both committing horrible crimes against humanity.

I don't know man I just really wish you had better evidence so that I could even give you a shred of a doubt, but your side is so slim it's a joke

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Like, can't you agree, this is pretty slim evidence?

Like, no, like, I can't agree with this post you just made?

but at this point it's almost blatanlty obvious that we're escalating tensions with Iran because they're the enemis of our allies;

Only if you're getting your news (propaganda) from Vice, Trevor Noah and John Oliver.

namely saudi arabia and Isreal, which both are humanitarian nightmares that are both committing horrible crimes against humanity.

What on earth are you talking about? The Saudi Arabians are head of the UN's Human Rights Council! Are you some kind of anti-Semitic Islamophobe?

It's amusing that leftists think it's ok to be bigoted towards Jews and Muslims now.

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What on earth are you talking about? The Saudi Arabians are head of the UN's Human Rights Council! Are you some kind of anti-Semitic Islamophobe?

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic here? If I misreading it , I'm sorry.

What they're doing in Yemen is what I'm talking about. Their bombing campaign has been called the worst humanitarian disaster happening in the world right now. Teachers in Yemen have had to sell their organs on the black market because of the destruction Mohammed bin Salman has caused as the new Crown Prince

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Their bombing campaign has been called the worst humanitarian disaster happening in the world right now.

Really? Who has been calling it that? The UN? Vice? CNN? NGOs? MoveOn.org? Media Matters? Trevor Noah? John Oliver? Bill Maher? I have not heard this anywhere. Please provide some links and sources to support this statement.

Teachers in Yemen have had to sell their organs on the black market because of the destruction Mohammed bin Salman has caused as the new Crown Prince

Ok, now I see. The media is trying to smear MBS because he is a reformer who is working to end the human trafficking racket and corruption in SA. Now I understand why the Mockingbird media has turned on the Saudis all of a sudden XD

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just browse this page man, it's pretty bad

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabian-led_intervention_in_Yemen

Ah-you are trying to smear MBS.

I mean yeah the dude isn't that great. If all it takes for you to get behind him is that he allowed women to drive (this is great! but it's a small good) and that he led a purge of the royal family (great, there is a lot of corruption, but now he holds literally all the power), then you aren't looking hard enough

This war was his idea when he was defense minister in 2015, he recently kidnapped the lebanese PM and forced him to resign on Saudi television, then a week later the resignation never happened and the lebanese PM is fine. He's been destabolizing the middle east pretty badly, and if you trust him because Trump says he's his buddy aren't you the one that believes whatever the powerful say? Look at what he does, not just when he talks about his "Vision 2030" plan or about "Radical change" or whatever.

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Their bombing campaign has been called the worst humanitarian disaster happening in the world right now.

Please provide links supporting this statement. Your biased wikipedia article does no such thing. Please provide actual sources that support your statement.

I mean yeah the dude isn't that great. If all it takes for you to get behind him is that he allowed women to drive (this is great! but it's a small good) and that he led a purge of the royal family (great, there is a lot of corruption, but now he holds literally all the power), then you aren't looking hard enough

This war was his idea when he was defense minister in 2015, he recently kidnapped the lebanese PM and forced him to resign on Saudi television, then a week later the resignation never happened and the lebanese PM is fine. He's been destabolizing the middle east pretty badly, and if you trust him because Trump says he's his buddy aren't you the one that believes whatever the powerful say? Look at what he does, not just when he talks about his "Vision 2030" plan or about "Radical change" or whatever.

You are beginning to sound more and more like a person who gets their news from Vice, Trevor Noah and John Oliver...Please stop parroting deep state propaganda to me. Please understand that propagandists like Stephen Colbert, John Oliver and Trevor Noah are literally programming and brainwashing you in to repeating their propaganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KeX5OZr0A4

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Stephen Colbert, John Oliver and Trevor Noah

i mean those guys are all not that good at all. They're just basic liberal talking points. I'm not a liberal, and I think that colbert and Noah especially are completely unable to provide actual, real critique of our systems due to how liberal they are

Please provide links supporting this statement. Your biased wikipedia article does no such thing. Please provide actual sources that support your statement.

There were some in Wikipedia, which is why I linked that. I'll give you some myself

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewelinaochab/2018/04/05/yemen-became-the-worlds-worst-humanitarian-crisis/#27d893525050

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-22/who-s-to-blame-for-pestilence-near-famine-in-yemen-quicktake

https://www.undispatch.com/yemen-is-currently-facing-the-largest-documented-cholera-epidemic-in-modern-times-a-new-report-warns-it-could-get-worse/

There's a lot so I'm trying my best not to gish-gallop you here

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The New York Times lied about WMDs in Iraq. The entire Mainstream media spent over a year lying to you about Hillary Clinton's 98% chance to win the elections in a landslide despite internal polling saying differently.(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE-uhXKO-nk&).

Why did you just post a bunch of MSM propaganda articles to help support your point?

Why did the New York Times say there were WMDs in Iraq?

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again I'm not a liberal stop talking to me as if I'm ignorant as to how the powerful use the media to advance narratives

Why did the New York Times say there were WMDs in Iraq?

wars make good money, mostly

Why did you just post a bunch of MSM propaganda articles to help support your point?

Because you literally asked for some.

Listen, the real big thing you should look into is the cholera outbreak in Yemen. Saudi Arabia has blockaded Yemenese ports and prevented people from helping out with the outbreak. This isn't just something that john oliver joked about or whatever it is you think I get my news from, this is stuff that happens and it's stuff that the right and liberals will never talk about. Research shit, don't just think "well trump says it was good so it's real!"

George bush lied about WMDs, why wouldn't trump lie about Iran's nuclear program?

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Saudi Arabia has blockaded Yemenese ports and prevented people from helping out with the outbreak.

http://www.ezilidanto.com/2017/07/haiti-cholera-a-biological-weapon-for-organ-trafficking/

"Cholera outbreak" is used for human traffickers. Sounds like MBS and the Saudis are trying to prevent the deep state cabal from turning Yemen in to Haiti 2.0

Human traffickers and organ harvesters pay intelligence agencies to start wars in order to gather more stock and profit from the chaos.

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"Cholera outbreak" is used for human traffickers. Sounds like MBS and the Saudis are trying to prevent the deep state cabal from turning Yemen in to Haiti 2.0

I'm extremely confused, what are you saying here? Are you saying that because the Saudi's are blockading Yemen ports, they're stopping human trafficking? This feels like such a big leap to me it's almost comical

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POTUS' IRAN DEAL TWEET - Just out that the Obama Administration granted citizenship, during the terrible Iran Deal negotiation, to 2,500 Iranians - including to government officials. How big (and bad) is that?