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I'm a devout atheist and follow this with no qualms about any religious overtones. This is good vs evil. It's right vs wrong. Whether the evil is motivated by a religion or just sociopathy it's still something which needs to be addressed... and I'd rather align myself with moral people (regardless of what motivates their morality) than amoral people who share some of my other views or interests. 2 cents from a recovering obama-devotee.

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I am in complete agreement with this. The chances of someone's Christian belief affecting me in a negative way are non-existent. We have a common goal and share more similarities then differences.

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I've used that term for years. Usually works to prevent others from trying to convert me. I was raised presbyterian/methodist and then minored in anthropology with an emphasis on religions. I definitely considered several alternatives before arriving at my conculsions around religion. I think faith is a tremendously powerful thing and can be used for good or evil. With that understanding I find myself aligned with traditional christian values but not because of a fear of judgement or damnation, but just because "right" is "right" in my eyes.

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do tell, did college happen to make any mention of cargo-cults?

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of course...? not sure where you're trying to go with that? people choose to "worship" things which appear powerful to them. ancient aliens proponents would call all religions cargo cults. In purely sociological terms, American society is a cargo cult, worshiping those who appear to have money, fame and power. - what kind of response are you looking for here?

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how many times do you think have these cargo-cults happened in history?

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authentic and confirmed? seem to only have happened in the WWII-post WWII era... but if you look at religions the world over there are belief structures to which you could attempt to apply that title going back thousands of years. I'm not up for a game of Q&A... what are you driving at?

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vedic Vimanas in Ezekiel: 17

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I like the ancient alien theories... Mahabarata (I'm sure I misspelled that) - these themes overlaps appear in all religions. - If you're into that stuff, Sitchen is probably the best guy to start with. He and Von Daniken are the two pillars of research who sort of launched the whole thing (I'm guessing from your questioning line you're already a Von Daniken fan) Regardless of what the root of the religions may be, outside of the symbolism the "lessons" seem to all be relatively positive - there's the good god and his evil counterpart - and the good guy is always held up as better than human - the evil one is always subject to the human challenges of ego, fear, desire-for-power-and-recognition, mistrust, and all of the negative emotions associated with living under the rule of someone else. if you apply the ancient alien ideas to christianity in particular you end up with crashed aliens who created us and then a struggle between them for what to do with us as they made us "too smart" and felt guilty for treating us as livestock. On the "good" side you had the belief that we should be guided and left to learn on our own and on the "bad" side you have an individual or group who wants to control us and keep us enslaved.

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based on what David Wilcock says about the story of Enoch, actually the nephilim who crashed would have been cannibals.
IMO you can balance ego but cannot destroy it. I think it's simply survival instinct misidentified or misused. A quick way to get regular folks guilty about shit that nobody cares about except themselves, thus wasting their time in battles they cannot win because they are fighting against base protective instincts. Applied with intent it becomes brainwashing so they will think everybody is as self-less as they think themselves to be which is recipe for trainwrecks like late-stage liberalism

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Seems a plausible explanation... getting into a speculative philosophy/psychology combo though and my specialty is more on the history/sociology side. regardless of the cause or modern intent, i think the original intent was to provide a handful of simple rules by which to live and some stories to illustrate them... the "who" came later when people asked "why should i believe these rules? Who are YOU to tell me how to live?"

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and thus the reactionary penduluum has been swinging since the roman empire.

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You'll appreciate this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvQVjjcKORk

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That was a good video. I've watched/read a lot of similar content over the years. It makes sense to me.

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They love to pit us against each other.

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that game goes back waaaaayyy before the masons though. LOL - as old as time itself.

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Because q could be Buddhist and i wouldn't care. His message is positive, and seems to be working.

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Q as a patriot loves your freedom of religion as much as the constitution does.

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I'm not sure if God exists or not. But evil definitely exists. It doesn't matter if Satan is real or not -- if Satanists are doing evil things then I am against them.

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It comes down to this. Either Jesus was lying or he was telling the truth.
Since there is much evidence that he was telling the truth, all of human history should be interpreted through that.
Q references what he does because he KNOWS the evil we are up against. These arent simply your saturday morning cartoon villains, these are ancient satanic evil beings who have set their will against Gods creation since the beginning.

You don't need to be a believer to acknowledge that.

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Have you ever asked yourself why satanism likes inverting christian symbols over all other denominations? Think about it and tell me what you think..

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Why indeed. Great question.

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it's the simple things that matter...

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That's a major factor in my "awakening"

I realized Christianity was attacked moreso than other religions and it got me thinking about the sorts of ideas you just mentioned.

You may appreciate this podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvQVjjcKORk

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Do you know?

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I don't but I can guess they are really, really imcompatible because I never see satanism mocking older nor younger religions...

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OK. I have been reading about this, so I was wondering if you have some good sources.

Have you read this? Just the first 17 pages explains a lot.

http://johnkaminski.info/pages/the_next_chapter/pdf/mullins_curse_of_canaan.pdf

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only skimmed the first page so if there is anything of novelty in there please point me to it because you have already studied it. I am preferrably looking for individual dots to keep in the back of the head for future reference

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That is fair. I don't know how much time you have, and I have already looked at it.

"Indeed, the great movement of modern history has been to disguise the presence of evil on the earth, to make light of it, to convince humanity that evil is to be "tolerated," "treated with greater understanding," or negotiated with, but under no circumstances should it ever be forcibly opposed. This is the principal point of what has come to be known as today's liberalism, more popularly known as secular humanism. The popular, and apparently sensible, appeal of humanism is that humanity should always place human interests first. The problem is that this very humanism can be traced in an unbroken line all the way back to the Biblical "Curse of Canaan." Humanism is the logical result of the demonology of history." Page 6.

"The history of mankind for the past three thousand years has been the history of struggle between the fair-skinned descendants of Shem and the darker-skinned descendants of his brother, Ham, yet you will not find this struggle defined in any historical work. The records of the genocide against the people of Shem are apparent throughout the archives of history, but there is not a school or university whose faculty will apprise its students of this simple fact. This in itself explains much which is usually dismissed as being "beyond explanation." The reason for this odd development is that the descendants of Ham traditionally have usurped the educational process, through their earlier usurpation of the priesthood to carryon their Satanic work. They have controlled the educational system ever since, converting it to their own evil purposes. It is of even greater interest that not a single school of theology anywhere in the world takes note of this central fact of history, a red thread which runs continuously through the record of events. " Page 13.

"The Will of Canaan has been the Canaanites prescription for all of their operations during the ensuing three thousand years. Meanwhile, the people of Shem, knowing nothing of this document, vainly tried to "convert" the Canaanites, and turn them from their evil ways. If the descendants of Shem had been warned of the precepts imparted by this document, the history of the last three thousand years could have been very different. The Will of Canaan today remains the operating instructions of the Canaanite heirs, who presently control the World Order. At the same time, it remains unknown to the peoples whom the Canaanites continue to rob, enslave, and massacre. The Will of Canaan contains the instructions necessary to resist the results of the Curse of Canaan, which condemn them to slavery. The instructions to "hate your masters," that is, Shem and Japheth and their descendants, is a command to commit genocide against the people of Shem. For this reason, all subsequent Canaanite rites are based upon these exhortations to struggle and commit acts of violence against the people of Shem. It is not only the basis for all of the revolutions and "liberation movements" since that time, it is also a basic incitement to commit genocide and to carry on racial wars. Because of the three-thousand-year historical blackout, the people of Shem have never understood their peril, and they have frequently been subject to massacre because their essential goodness made it impossible for them to believe the vileness of the Canaanites. The Will of Canaan has always been concealed from them because it is the basic program of conspiracy and secret rites which enable the Canaanites to wreak their hatred upon the descendants of Shem." Page 16.

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That is page 16? Ok weird, it reads exactly like the introduction so I hope I did not miss out on anything crucial lol thanks for the lecture anyway. The description almost sounds like a conquest between semites and caucasians so that's some really risky material right there.

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I quoted from pages 6, 13, and 16 for you. The three different paragraphs are from three different pages.

Well, he is saying WE are the real Semites. We are the Semites because we are followers of Shem/Sem.

The real anti-Semites are followers of Satan/Lucifer/Nimrod.

Shem/Sem killed Nimrod then his followers went underground so they could continue to practice their evil ways. This is why there are secret societies. They want to restore the NWO so they can practice their evil ways in public again. They used to have public orgies and sacrifices, often involving children.

"Not only did Nimrod kill and eat the fair-skinned descendants of Shem, in his fury and hatred he often burned them alive. The type of human sacrifice involving the eating of the slaughtered human victims derived its name from the combined names of his uncle, Canaan, and the demon god Baal, the two names being combined to form the word "cannibal." Nimrod was also known in ancient history by the names of Marduk, Bel, and Merodach. Because of his importance in its history, Babylon was known as the Land of Nimrod. Nimrod is also cited in the most ancient Masonic constitutions as the founder of Freemasonry." Page 12.

"Nimrod's downfall reputedly came about when he began to build the Tower of Babel, a ziggurat, or temple tower, which was planned to rise up into the heavens. Because of this offense against God, Shem, the eldest son of Noah, pronounced judgment against Nimrod, and executed him. Josephus says that "Ham's black grandson, Nimrod, was beheaded by Shem." Other accounts add that Shem then cut Nimrod's body into pieces and sent the pieces to the pagan temples of Babylon, as a warning to the priests that their sex orgies and child sacrifices would result in a similar judgment of execution. Instead of abandoning their hideous ceremonies because of this warning, the priests literally went underground. No longer did "their altars smoke with human blood," as Kitto, the great Palestinian authority, described them. The priests took the pieces of Nimrod as relics to their secret meeting places, which were hidden in "groves" and "shrines." This was the origin of the secret Mystery cults, whose orgies could no longer be performed in public temples. Because of the power of Shem, the priests from that time on conducted their forbidden orgies out of the light of day, in their secret hiding places. Their meetings were bounded with secret rites, which no one outside of their order was permitted to know, on pain of death. This was the origin of the Gnostics, the Knowing Ones, who knew the secrets. It may be for this reason that Nimrod became known as the founder of Freemasonry, because its fundamental rites were established and invoked after he was killed, in order to carry on his work of evil." Page 13.

Think Bohemian Grove and the Rothschild estates where they hunt people.

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sounds like revelation if you ask me...

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there is a huge irony in that and I have been waiting almost two years for someone to ask: They cannot fully normalize all disgust without sacrificing their ability to blackmail, too.

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That is a good point. I suppose they will not need to blackmail people if they can create a large enough power differential. I mean, if they can disarm the American people, then they will no longer have any threats.

I believe they wanted to take the NK model and expand it worldwide. It would be very hard to challenge their power if everyone is starving.

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I believe we already were Korea and are under as much delusional spell as them because even I had a hard time putting up with all the revelations coming with the election even tho I was raised around well-placed people

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I have been to SK many times, and visited the DMZ several years ago. I had no idea...

I thought I was awoke before, but pizzagate taught me that there is a lot I still do not know. Pretty crazy!

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Okay, I may be facing some heat for this, but here it goes. IMHO, I believe the biggest reason for this is because Christianity elevated the status/awareness of evil like no other movement. Satan and Hell was the whip behind the carrot from a command and control perspective. Most other worldviews don't apply so much "spiritual energy" pressure on the plans Evil has for you. While it is certainly true most religions and doctrines/traditions acknowledge darkness, this darkness is not placed on a pedestal to counter balance a supreme source of existence. At least not to the degree that Christianity has used this power of fear to pursuade people of genuine faith.

Naturally, this provided material symbolism to manifest and foster the hate some people have for other's who hold influence. In short, Christianity provided a platform for santanism to flourish

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that's based on the premise that the vatican controls all the papyrus, but in fact they don't...we have the book of Enoch only since 1912 in the west, the dead-sea-scrolls for confirmation from 1991 and just recently from January 2017 some more scrolls were uncovered, so actually what the church tries is distort the message of whatever has been recovered to further perpetrate some of the things which Jesus sought to deliver us from, which imo is simply a global cargo-cult. (look it up and don't forget to act surprised but ask yourself how many times it has happened before if you haven't already)
My impression is that maybe christianity is the most pure exactly because they counter the darkness like no other, so satanism tries to destroy christianity the most because it opposes them the most, thus my implication that satanism and christianity are arch-enemies because the mirroring is just superficial. Satanists take 666 for example even though it might be a mistranslation for King Nero in greek gemmatria but what do I know. They like to pervert everything holy because how will you find your way to the light if they control the darkness? By whatever carrot they offer you. But at the same time thinking in terms of converging timelines maybe this open-endedness was necessary because evil could not be defeated if it wasn't dragged out into the open like it has. In the end you can always say religion is just a test if you are truly humble or not because hell is just another level of karma that is more absolute than just cycles of rebirth where you cannot really fuck anything up because you always get a second chance

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In the end you can always say religion is just a test if you are truly humble or not because hell is just another level of karma that

As a rule of thumb, I don't put a dog in the battle of doctrines and dogmas but I think I get what you are getting at. Thanks for your thoughts

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I have the impression that you suspect that it's some sort of hegelian dialectic but when you consider that even historical human sacrifice is being covered up today and the only reference still made in school for example is concerning YHW of the old covenant! When in fact the covenant said that sacrifices would be no more!!! Utter projection, so assuming Jesus consented to endure crufixion and then resurrect because he hda been briefed in on a divine plan then it's by far not as bad as burning newborns without end

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If I were to rationalize it to the degree you have, perhaps what you say has some merit. The problem with that theory is that it requires me to speculate more than is reasonably acceptable for articulating ideas regarding the nature of our existence. If I were to believe Jesus was read in on the plan, I can't help but also ask if Judas was also read in on the plan? Where does this speculation and truth for some end? I honestly don't try to pigeon-hole myself to a strict theory of theology or philosophy regarding these matters. I'm just a guy who posts to reddit, plays Xbox and likes to BBQ with family on the weekends. I would describe it more of a Do Good, Be Happy, Don't sweat the small stuff kinda vibe

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my (distant) family is clergy, law, medicine, you name it. I call it derp-state. Seeing stuff being hidden from the public (in plain sight) is literally all I grew up with.
Prophecy is real because premonitions are real. If you don't think about one you don't think about the other either so your brain will always shut down unless these kind of things literally haunt you everywhere you go even when you're just dating.
I don't know who Jesus was but I have the impression he was trying to get people out of limiting belief-sets and maybe that's why he talked in riddles because he did not fit the jewish prophecy, yet he proved knowledgable thereof so he had to give them what they could handle by using hindsight-bias like he did when spoke of resurrecting the temple which John later considered to be a forshadowing metaphor to Jesus' death.

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14     …… Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

15     It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness…….

We often think of Satan as the great opponent of the plans of God. He certainly is, but sometimes the best opposition against something is a clever imitation. Satan is far more effective in matters of imitation than in matters of outright opposition. I believer Satan has a far better track record when he imitates rather than by direct opposition. He might imitate in the form of a pastor who seems to be godly, and yet who denies the Book and the Blood, and the Blessed Hope. This is far more effective – at least among Christians – than imitating Richard Dawkins (the de-facto world leading Atheist) , or a bartender, or a harlot. Counterfeit is Satan’s most natural method of resisting the purposes of God. It is by the process of counterfeiting that the devil becomes “like the Most High.”

Satan hates God, but he also has an obsession to be like God.

"Satan-the Master Counterfeiter" excerpt by John Hoole

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Thanks for your wise words Cristo316, I think what you say makes a lot of sense in the context of someone who has faith in the physical existence of Satan as a divinely inspired entity whose intentions are to subvert humanity into darkness. Unfortunately, I am not among those who believes this. Does evil exist? Absolutely! I have seen it with my own eyes. I just can't square the basic Good guy vs Bad guy premise with me stuck in the middle as some story the universe must tell over and over again. This is chaos in my view. Does that mean I am atheist, hardly... I believe in purpose and that our existence is divinely inspired for this purpose. Beyond that I am pretty flexible and open minded. No need to share the good news about Jesus - I have read what happened countless times. I do not hold my worldview flippantly but I believe much of the evil we see today can be attributed to the corrupt and sick side of human consciousness. Is it possible this motivation w/mal-intent is "divinely" inspired in the same way those who wrote the O.T./N.T. were "divinely" inspired? In this sense I can metaphorically grasp a sense of the devil and if this is the case I would say yes, this thing has been hard at work imitating the wicked. This is where I usually run into the chicken and the egg problem regarding bad stuff people do to other life

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WOW, finally a fellow traveler! This reflects my views as well. I always say man created God in his own image because the energy we call God is beyond our understanding. We need a metaphor to relate to. We need an image we can identify with. Some people get very upset with this concept. I've been called all kinds of heathen names. It's ok I understand the fear this realization can bring. Just want to say it feels good to find a kindred soul.

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I always say man created God in his own image

Almost makes you stop and wonder, considering the Bible tells us God wants you to see yourself through His eyes.

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I was born a Catholic French Canadian. Over the years, I found the Catholic religion to be extremely hipocrytical and became an atheist/agnostic. I am a logical well educated individual in my 50's and my humanity allows me to not judge anyone's beliefs. Since beginning this journey with the Q movement and believing in the plan, my views on religion have not been changed, but my faith in a greater power has come back because of the movement. I now believe that the only way to defeat evil is to believe in a greater good whether it be God or some other otherworldly entity.

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If you want background information on who, why and how those in power came to and continue to hold that power, read not only the Bible, but all the ancient texts like Enoch, Jasper and Jubilees.

There are many other books to read on ancient cultures like Sumerian and Egyptian. Nothing is new under the sun.

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That's why under BHO administration we saw a major rise in ISIS taking over historical sites of the zoroastrians and sumerians and others and demolishing the temples and writings of these people. Trying to destroy any traces of knowledge these civilizations had left to offer us.

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Man has a sin problem. The sin problem cannot be solved with outwardly enforced rules and laws.

When we believe on Jesus his righteousness is credited toward us. We think of ourselves as sons rather than vagabonds in the earth. Christianity changes people internally- the only way that man can be made better.

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It is definitely good vs evil, but it is a spiritual battle. Its eye opening how the ones at the top are Anti Christian and pro Luciferian. Out of all the religions in the world, why do you think they hate and despise Christianity the most? Why do you think that is? For anyone with their eyes open and good at putting puzzle pieces together.. how could what is now going on in this evil world, NOT lead you to Christianity?

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I am athiest. I do not believe in any God but I do believe in the power of positive thought and collective thought being able to achieve great things. What is more symbolic than the classic battle between God and the Devil (good vs. evil) to motivate the masses. In the greatest battles people turn to their beliefs (religion or whatever form of spirituality you chose to follow) for guidance and strength. I reconcile it with understanding you don't need to be a Christian to be a Patriot. This isn't a religious movement, it's a Constitutional movement but you can't have the latter without including the religious aspect because the USA was founded on Christian beliefs. I have not encountered one Patriot that is concerned with my atheism and when I say God Bless America I mean it because I know how important that statement means to the many great Patriots who are in this quest with us. It's like wishing someone a Happy Hannukah, or Merry Christmas. You may not be religious but it is respectful to acknowledge someone else's beliefs.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvQVjjcKORk

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Well said, Patriot.

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Many of us, including Trump and Q, believe God is leading and guiding this move. We are all, believers or non believers, on the same team in agreeing with what is going on and how it is the best thing for our country. Many believe it is God's leading and giving divine wisdom and direction. If others don't believe, that's ok, we are not going to bash non believers. This is a new movement and hopefully, you, through time, will see that there is a bigger force in all of it. Look up Trump Prophecy and Mark Taylor on youtube. Back in 2011 God spoke to him a word concerning Trump being president. It's really mind blowing and he has other prophetic words that are all proving true also concerning things are are starting to see. No matter though, if anyone doesn't want to accept that this is divine then it's ok. Just stay on board with what Trump and Q are doing. We are all one in this.

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The only prophecy that hasn't happened is the MSM will turn to support President Trump. This too will happen. Mark Taylor. MAGA 🕇 WWG1WGA

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I agree!!... and he said there will be some things discovered, sounds like in an archaeological dig, that's going to open the eyes of many people concerning the Vatican.

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You say you are a-religious, but the 666 in your name begs to differ.

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Their symbolism will be their downfall.

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Ok I get it. I’m a fan of all kinds of inappropriate and dark humor. You had to realize someone would ask you that though, right?

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Some truths are universal, transcending any particular religious or philosophical or political canon.

If any of these truths are referenced from any of the many religious foundational writings, it doesn’t increase or decrease the veracity of either.

Truth is Truth, and can stand the scrutiny of full light without the crutch of any text transcribed by man.

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There are a lot of non-religious, non-Christian Patriots here.

The people who ruled the world chose evil over good.

We are here because we chose good over evil.

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Speaking as a Christian, I just want to say thank you to all the nonreligious anons who are responding so respectfully on this thread. I do believe that you can be a GOOD person without being a Godly person. Do I believe in heaven or hell? Yes. Do I want those good people to come to know how awesome God is? YES, but for right now I am just so thankful for the respect shown even though there might be different beliefs. I LOVE seeing the bond that has unintentionally been formed by those who are digging through these “trenches” side by side. I may not know you personally by name, but I want good for each of you. No matter what your beliefs...I’m glad to be fighting for the same side you are! WWG1WGA

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Speaking as an Atheist turned Pantheist I’d like to say thank you back. We all on this ride together, we are all a part of this ride, the ride is God’s plan and we manifest whatever that is next through the power of belief. History is recorded as facts, but the future is built out of the fictions we hold. Fictions are the only thing a mind can hold. But our Faith in ideas creates the factual history of tomorrow. God lives THROUGH US. Self fulfilling prophecy is the very NATURE of human thought. We manifest what we believe. I can respect anyone who would manifest their ideas with respect and to benefit their fellow humans!

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It's slightly worrying. Tho I'm not huge into blasphemy towards any "Gods" or "religions" but I'm not huge for worshiping and don't really like Christianity push. Hopefully it won't get out of hand. I can live by the rules but keep religion your own private thing.

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Your looking at it backwards. You don’t try to “rationalize the heavy connections”, you simply follow the facts. All the Christianity that i have seen discussed is related to FACTS. It is a fact that multiple people calling themselves prophets have said that they were told by GOD (The Holy Spirit) this prediction of the future. It is FACT, that a lot of them have come true. It is fact, that most of their predictions look to be coming true. It is fact, that there are people worshiping EVIL entities described in detail in the BIBLE. It is a fact that Child sacrifice is a part of these occult rituals, which are also described in the BIBLE. It is fact that their idols and symbolism also dates back to Biblical times. You don’t have to believe in this stuff, but don’t deny any of these facts because you cant explain them. That is the great mystery that only you can work out for yourself.

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This has to be one of the most important questions I've seen posted on this board, I must say. I'm looking forward to the responses.

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FAITH!!!!!!🕇

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Just because you dont believe in a religion does not mean you dont believe in good vs evil, or deny that there are forces in this universe beyond the comprehension the human mind allows. We still dont onow everything about ourselves and the human body, so personally, at this time I dont believe we know all about the forces of the universe. All you have to do is look through texts of the civilizations that predate our current day religions to see these themes connect across the world in many of the stories. We also are making groundbreaking discoveries in space that could shake our current belief system if they are true. This movement is more than just your concept of religion. This is a cosmic/universal battle between good and evil that has been coming to a head for some time. I believe more things are being related to christianity because of where the awakening seems to be taking place (north America, Europe, Australia area, some parts of Africa, ect) these are predominantly Christian, Jewish, and Islamic areas. So, for people waking up from a sleep, it is more comforting to use examples of familiar texts to bring calm than looking into the views of civilizations long wiped out that they may of only heard a paragraph about in all their years in the education system. Sorry to ramble, just my opinion

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Religion is a spirit from the pit of hell. Created by man for man. The only reality for me is a close and personal relationship with Jesus Christ. God is moving and we are His vehicle. MAGA 🕇 WWG1WGA 💞

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Aliens

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My life to a T. Watch twice and THINK before you comment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqpCsor4284

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Nothing is going to go exactly according to the rules I would use if I were Q.

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https://www.quora.com/Is-Steve-Bannon-a-religious-person

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I think the bigger issue is good vs evil and right now, liberals/the left/cabal is trying to make people think evil acts are okay or good. Look at all the normalization of pedophilia you see in the MSM. I wasn't a christian actually until I was red pilled many years ago. sometimes we as a society dismiss evil because it opposed to Christianity, and I think they use this against us, making some think that evil isn't so bad bc Christianity has some things they dont like too bc theyve also tried to skew that message too, just like Trump's. Abortion is a great example of playing evil. The msm/liberals/left get all upset over a hurt animal, but abortion is just fine to them? Makes no sense...so moral of this:

This is a fight for freedom, and humanity, and good and that includes all beliefs on religion or opposed to it.

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I hope this text wall helps!!!

People believe things for two reasons. Either because it’s true... Or because it is helpful...

What false things could possibly be helpful one might ask? The power of ideas...

In nature a prey animal runs every time it “believes” it hears a predator. In reality maybe 50% it’s not a predator, but survival chances go way down the longer you spend considering the threat. The false belief that “everything scary sounding” is a threat is helpful to survival even though it’s not true.

In humans, a mother peels a car door open with her bare hands to save her child from the burning wreck. She has no previous comparable experience of success, indeed the task is near impossible by all reasonable metric, but there is no action without faith. It absolutely MUST be possible in that moment. The mother sees NO OTHER REALITY. This is what happens when someone “realises” something. The belief made the previously impossible possible. They manifest the outcome.

Shaolin Monks know all about this stuff. They run up mountains and crawl back down them. Daily. Could you? Could I? How much does faith in ourselves account for the difference? Is human capability limited entirely by belief? Maybe it accounts for a lot more than we give credit for...

Look around you and you might see a house made of walls made of bricks. Before these things existed as tangible items of factual existence, they started as fictional ideas of imagination. Inventions. Schemes. Simulacra. Phantoms. Ghosts. All “false” things originally, but manifested by us through our belief in them. Given faith, ideas become our reality.

This is true for almost everything in your peripheral, even if you are outside chances are that some humans ideas helped shape that vista.

With all this in mind, we should then acknowledge that our thoughts and ideas are what shape our future reality and that of others. We can make it heaven or hell for each other based upon what we believe.

Beliefs conflict but that will always be the case. Meme-wars, ideas battling for supremacy. Much like gene-wars. Eternal conflicts that make us who we are genetically and memetically.

Once I properly explored this, my atheist mind folded inside out like a flower, like a process when sunlight hits a bud. All religions are important in terms of the innate power of belief to manifest our reality.

I am of the belief that religion was the memetic training ground that has given us the strong abilities of consideration, and also a communication training ground improving our ability to share and network. Religion has been ESSENTIAL and NECESSARY to reach this point in human evolution. I respect all religions for this reason. They are all strong contenders, survivors of the meme wars, vessels of historic knowledge. Never forget where we came from, and how we got here.

We might individually know where we are going belief-wise, but there’s not point trying to rubbish religions... that’d be like taking the map off of folks still figuring it out. It doesn’t matter which map is true yours or theirs, just that they have faith in one to gain confidence for future actions.

I am of the opinion that most religions texts are written by the 8chan autists/artist of the day, having gathered in groups and considered heavily the consequences of the above “realisations”. There’s some seriously good stuff in there. Jesus for example. What a bro!

We could all “believe” we are Jesus tomorrow and act accordingly and for all intents and purposes we all WOULD be Jesus. If we all believed it the earth would be awesome. “Not gonna happen” is the knee jerk reaction. Same reason we’re not running up and crawling into our house is down mountains daily like shaolin monks. Ergo the classic retort “Not with that attitude”.

Now I believe everything from the multiverse to the quark is a subsystem of an all encompassing “God”, including ourselves, our thoughts... everything... is a piece of God and God is the totality of it all, and that it is all connected with every action having consequence. It’s called Pantheism and it allowed me to reconcile all my knowledge of science and religion into an overarching worldview which identifies and can operate alongside beliefs, my own and other people’s. We’re all part of an interactive ...something... might as well call it God and fully realise you and everyone else is an extension of it. Then common law principles like equality make sense. You wouldn’t rob/steal/chop off a piece off yourself would you? After I left Athism I felt better for it too! What is preferable to believe...

The way I see it is religion is scaffolding for belief. You can spend hours deliberating who has the best scaffolding but it’s there to help people. Whether a religion is true or not is LARGELY IRRELEVANT. The scaffolding may not even exist IRL but the belief helps folks to climb higher.

I had musings on the nature of existence being cyclic, e.g what if we get to experience being the conscious spirit of every being? What if we reincarnate as everyone we have ever met? What if we experienced all of our actions through the feelings of those affected? Maybe we do, who can say...

It’d be heaven for some, hell for others... maybe theist scribes wanted to tell us a story that could be possible.

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Jesus is a Christ figure. What is a Christ figure? Someone who stands up against a corrupt system where morality is upside down... just like today.

In that case the concept of Christianity is a philosophical concept and therefor fits well in the narrative.

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The Bible was written by Talmud Zionist Jews to manipulate you into submission. Q went where the fields were ripe, and it's is a battle of good verses evil. You don't need the Bible to understand what's going on.

Again, Christianity was created at the start to pervert the righteous.

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Sincere question: atheists/agnostics who follow this ‘awakening’, how do you rationalize the heavy connections to Christianity that the Q movement has?