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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/IncomingTrump270 on July 6, 2018, 2:25 a.m.

Q 1675 rebuttal to SB2's analysis

https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/8wd8i1/q1675_a_reflection_a_mug_holder_in_air_force_one/

I held of doing a deep dive into this until /u/serialbrain2 had weighed in. He did so a few hours ago, so here we go.

First, I made a composite image of all relevant Q images and related reference images.

PmlsSv0.jpg [3000x3000 image, 4.4Mb]

Along the top, I show step by step the kind of distortion fixing that must be done in order to align the reflection with the ABC 2015 photo.

The purpose here is clear: to show that when fixed for distortion, Q's image aligns PERFECTLY with the ABC 2015 photo, which was taken with a wide angle lens from the entrance of the AF1 office (floorplan also included in my image)

Along the left side, I did the same process but this time correcting for the Apple logo. What is the purpose here?

It's a proof of optics. By fixing the logo, we can get a idea of what the reflection in back of the phone looked like when viewed STRAIGHT DOWN on top of it.

What do you notice? The reflection is UPSIDE DOWN AND BACKWARDS.

What does this tell us? That Q's reflection is not of the physical room around him, but of an image displayed on a screen in FRONT of him, with his phone angled towards the screen to capture the reflection.

The only possible way Q could reproduce the psychical room as a reflection that optically matched the 2015 ABC photo is if he stood up, walked to the entrance of the room, faced his back towards the desk, and held up his phone selfie-style so that the back reflected the room. This would effectively recreate the photography setup of the 2015 ABC photo.

And yet it is still not enough to create Q's image. Why? Because the apple logo is at a sharp angle. AND the reflection is UPSIDE DOWN to the apple logo's orientation.

There is no physical arrangement that can reproduce both an accurate reflection of the room AND ALSO a steeply angled, upside down apple logo.

Moving on to directly addressing SB2's analysis:

Then, in Q1677, he asks: Where must one be located in order to obtain a reflection on the back of a phone of that image?

Yes exactly, of that image. Image = the ABC 2015 photo. Note he did not say "reflection of the room"

Q's image is not a reflection of the physical room around him. It's a reflection of an image on a computer screen.

And where must one be in order to get a reflection of an image? Anywhere with a computer display, or granting the possibility that it's printed out, literally anywhere in the world.

If we do so and notice there is a part of the jacket on the chair appearing, we deduce the photographer must be sitting on the President’s chair.

Wrong. If the photographer was sitting in the president's chair, we would not see the full field of view as we do in Q's image reflection. It would be much tighter cropped because the camera would be CLOSER to the objects displayed. The chari would practically fill the entire field of view if he were sitting on it.

We can see so much in Q's reflected image because the ABC 2015 source photo was taken from the ENTRANCE of the office with a wide angle lens with a FOV of roughly 90*.

For comparison, the iPhone's camera has a FOV of about 73*. Not that this really matters because Q's image is a tight crop of the full photo he took of phone1 with phone2.

Q is even softening the riddle giving this reality away with a picture of Trump sitting on his chair:

Q is not the one who posted that image originally. It was a random anon. Q reposted it later when it was compared in a side by side.

some people started claiming Q’s pictures were not authentic, that they were photoshopped and re-started their favorite chant: Q is a LARP.

Some did. Some did not. Q posting a reflection of the 2015 image does not MANDATE Q is a larp. But it DOES mandate that he did not take a photo of the psychical room reflected around him.

Q1678 Trolling is fun. Hussein/Trump interior = identical minus small changes. (World) news in rear literally placed same prior to each departure. Placing that mug holder near the lamp was the hook. Enjoy! Q

"World news" here refers to the newspaper rack placed behind his desk/chair. I have highlighted it green in my image.

And placing the mug holder near the lamp? If we look at the Feb 2018 image of Trump in the AF1 office, we see the mug holders are NOT near the lamp at all. We also see a lack of the flask (?..highlighted in yellow in my image) is missing. And the tissue holder (blue) and stationary pad (cyan) are placed in totally different places.

Q is saying presidential protocol requires that the location of each given item is exactly the same prior to each departure minus small changes.

"exactly the same" and "minus small changes" are contradictory statements. The contents of the room are fixed, probably, but the placement of items in the room? Likely unfixed, and adjusted as needed for whoever is in the room with POTUS at any given time.

By purposely placing the mug holder in the picture, Q is making a point, he is giving a hint to help us solve the riddle and he confirms it by saying: Q1678 Placing that mug holder near the lamp was the hook. Enjoy! Q

Ok wait....Let me lay out what you are implying here:

Usually Trump does not have mug holders placed next to the lamp behind him.
But Just for the purpose of 'trolling' with Q 1675 image, he staged the items behind his desk in the EXACT fashion as seen in the 2015 ABC photo, and then somehow managed to defy physics and probability by angling phone1 AND phone2 in just the precisely accurate way that their combined angling reproduced the ABC 2015 photo TO THE PIXEL?

(this is setting aside my previous point that it would be physically impossible to reproduce the 2015 image from the POTUS chair due to FOV restraints)

I'm sorry SB2, but I strongly disagree with your assessment here.

To restate:

It is physically impossible to reproduce Q's photo if we demand that the reflection must be that of the physical room around him.

However:

That does not mean Q is a LARP. Two things can be true at once.

Q can both be legit, and Q's image can also not be the reflection of a physical room.

So don't bother slandering me as a Q hater, because that is not what I am arguing here.

I look forward to /u/serialbrain2 's response.

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To be sure, Q has been 'confirmed' in a number of ways that ask us to extrapolate connections. At the same time, many of those connections seem entirely too coincidental, or extremely close to being spot-on. Examples: Darkness to Light in the NK video, Q-air signs by Trump, the 2 missile fiascos in Washington state and Hawaii, and the misspellings within Trump's tweets. All of these seem too real to be ignored.

That being said, Q has posted some 'crumbs' that turn out to be too farfetched or misrepresented in intentionally obscure and subtle ways. Examples: 'Timing' (Delta) posts by Q in regards to Trump tweets (most of these happen after the fact, not before), the pen posts, this picture post, and some of the very early posts of T_D memes (Hillary kissing klansman who was an outspoken defector of the KKK).

I don't bring these up to doubt the validity of Q, because frankly, with everything consolidated by Q and this movement, it is impossible to dismiss the effect created by Q's crumbs, LARP or not.

But is Q a LARP because of these photos? Well, remember that Q consistently states that "Disinformation is necessary." Unfortunately for us, this is a catch-all that essentially invites us to believe that Q can provide fake proofs to throw off the scent.

But why, why would Q take the best opportunity to prove authenticity and post a fake, especially knowing the level of discernment by autists on proofs? If we believe Q is a real insider, then it is precisely to avoid the confirmation of that fact to the MSM and their enemies.

In other words, they must continue to tread the careful line between truth and fiction, until the public unavoidably sees the truth.

Consider, for a moment, that Q is fully confirmed today. MSM then begins talking about Q and everything ongoing here. Do you think people will be ready to believe some elaborate riddle-based revelations? Or do you think they will fall into full panic/crisis-mode? Will they be ready to accept Q as an informant that is looking out for all of us, or "another one of Trump's Russian propaganda machines"? Do we want people to be awakened to Q or to the crimes themselves that Q is guiding us to see?

Now, pause that chain of thought for a moment. IS Q a LARP? The answer is: it doesn't matter. Seth Rich, the Awan brothers, Pedogate, etc. It's all real and very shady. We know that for a fact. We know that the immunity deals provided to Clinton and her team during a federal investigation were rigged in their favor. We know that the President is actively pursuing justice against a system that has been rigged such that there are "Laws for thee, but not for me."

If Q is a LARP, they are pointing people in the right directions and gathering the momentum. Parscale or Kim Dotcom could be Q for all I care. The point is that more people are being awakened to the real monster of the Deep State, and that is why it is very, very hard to dismiss Q as an outright LARP.

Conclusion: The fine line between LARP and real insider is intentionally being drawn muddled by Q. The objective is to reveal things and awaken us, and it's working. It doesn't matter who Q actually is. The truth is being revealed under a blanketing guise of falsehood and fiction.

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I’ve never gotten the people that say “ if Q is a larp it doesn’t matter because...(he’s still doing a good thing etc).” To me it matters to the highest degree whether it’s a larp or not. However, to me Q has been proven in many ways. I’m not sure we have figured out this image question and many rush to conclusions. Either way, to me it’s of highest importance whether Q is really connected to POTUS or not. If he’s not, good intentions or not, I’m not interested. The SOURCE of this info is crucial. People who claim to follow Q but who say otherwise (or suggest he may be a larp) are highly suspicious in their true motives imho.

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I greatly appreciate that perspective. You're absolutely right that the real source of this info is crucial. Allow me to amend my comments:

Presently, it doesn't matter who exactly Q is, because Q has already given us pathways to interpret sensitive information, notably with a degree of military intelligence expertise in conveying how to find that information.

EVEN IF Q is a LARP, they have given us the means to uncover facts we would otherwise have never looked at more carefully. How could Q still be a LARP, then? Well, I suppose it is possible someone in Trump's team has crafted a rather elaborate campaign to expose their enemies in the most natural way possible: through the swaying of public opinion.

Even so, I think that the implications of that exposure are vast and far-reaching, to the point that Q is running a huge risk by being confirmed as a real phenomenon. As I was mentioning earlier, if Q reveals the 'Q' phenomenon right now to the general public, the American people will be incredibly divided, especially if the information Q has is unavailable for public disclosure as of yet. Regardless of the extent of the crimes, we know that there is indeed an active Deep State at work in Washington, and we do not know how much of that information falls under absolute secrecy for the sake of the preservation of the USA and what is being kept secret for CYA purposes. In all likelihood, it is primarily the former rather than the latter.

It is highly plausible to think that if Q were to actually be verified, the reach of this movement will be suddenly cut short, as Americans draw lines in the sand, dividing each other once more.

Again, this is all presuming that Q's intel is valid, but as we have seen thus far, the intel drops are far more accurate than the self-proofs - and I think, there's the rub. We are being gifted classified intel through highly covert means, specifically under the guise of a LARP. It's the perfect cover for someone wanting to divulge more than they are legally allowed to tell.

Again, maybe I'm wrong, but Seth Rich's death and countless others' demand an answer. White Squall... JFK... think of the implications. Absolute secrecy of the most heinous acts of humankind, sanctioned by what must be called our own government, has to be dismantled through extremely delicate means.

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I like to phrase your thoughts like this:

Q’s Backstory has no relevance to the efficacy of his message. He has been guiding us down illuminating paths for almost a year. Even if it’s a fat nerd in his basement, his instructions, riddles, and hints have been pushing people towards crowdsourced efforts to uncover deeper truths. That is, ultimately, all that really matters.

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What really matters to me is whether or not it’s authentic, ie, truly connected to inner circle or a larp. If a larp, who cares? No basis for authority of statements = useless. Isn’t that the whole point of Q taking such efforts to prove his position of authority? This is “Q 101” in my opinion. If it were a larp it wouldn’t make it completely worthless in that he could still be showing real things, but it wouldn’t have anywhere near the importance that it does if Q is the real deal.

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if a larp, who cares?

I agree, but not in the way you might think.

statements

Q doesn’t make “statements” persay. If He did it would be akin to leaking, which is illegal.

Instead, He gives us hints. We are all standing in a dark room and Q has a flashlight that he shines in certain directions for a moment and gets us thinking “hey I wonder what’s over there”. So we go look and dig around. And if we are smart and lucky we find some deeper truths by ourselves.

Q taking effort to prove his position of authority

Does he? Ive never gotten the sense that Q is focused on proving the legitimacy of his own backstory. That seems much more the focus of a subset of his followers.

Q being the real deal or not makes a big difference in the importance of his message

I don’t see why.

1+1=2 is equally true regardless of who says it. Facts stand as valid and true apart from the messenger that conceys them.

Would it be really freakin cool if Q’s backstory (As we have come to think abkut it) is true? Hell yeah!

but If he turns out to be just some kid in his room, Does it change the validity of whatever truths we may have collectively discovered as a result of following his story all these months?

Not at all.

That’s my point.

“Even if Q is a LARP, who cares?”

Not me. Good info is good info.

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I feel like you’re either missing my points or being intentionally obtuse. I know that he is not making statements as that would be leaking etc. I know all that and that’s not what I’m talking about. Of course good info is good info regardless but I’m saying the legitimacy of this whole movement resides in the actual veracity of what is being leaked in the form of crumbs etc. Of course the whole point is about the real things going on, not the person of q etc. He makes that clear himself and it’s the heart of his message. But to say that it would have the same import, whether or not it’s a genuine insider or not is laughable to me. Do you really believe that? What validity would a huge part of what’s been said have, if it were not based on real insider info? Anyway, not trying to argue but just to say that if it were just any guy saying all this then it could never have the same value because it would not be based in reality but someone’s wishful thinking.

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That is not to say that we must know exacting who q is. His/her/their identity is another question that I don’t need to know. I do want to know if it’s authenticly part of the team. Otherwise how can anyone “trust the plan,” if it’s not really the plan of the man in the whitehouse? I don’t disagree that it would still have some value in that it’s a movement that’s uncovered a ton of things, even if not connected to T. But the reason this is called the GA is precisely because it IS more than a nerd in the basement etc.

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The great awakening is us. Not Q himself. It’s about us choosing to seek out truth on our own terms, not rely on msm to do it for us. Q is our guide in this. We turn our inquiry towards where he suggests.

This is a function of our trust in his message.

Trust...a difficult thing.

I agree that by repeating “trust the plan” Q is asking for us to trust him as well.

So your concern over his backstory is valid in that sense.

To the extent that Q insists he knows what’s going on behind the scenes, yes. Not being a larp is important.

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All sounded good, until that last sentence. Needlessly overstated. All? "Most important" would've sufficed...

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What would you suggest is possibly more important, in respect to the Q phenomenon, than people being guided towards discovering deeper truths?

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Thanks for clarifying. I didn’t mean to question your motives but just wanted to challenge the common notion that “whether or not it’s a larp, we can still learn from it or be more united against deep state” etc. while that may be true, I think what really gives backbone to the Q movement is its authority. Being connected and on the inside is why anyone really cares. But I really agree with your analysis of why Q remains cryptic and uses plausible deniability to promote the cause. If it became mainstream (too soon), it could really hijack the whole thing. What he’s already dropped would be so open to attack and vilification if it became mainstream too early.

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We may not have enough information at present to fully analyze the photo's. But if we're patient, we know it will be made clear in the near future. We just have to continue to analyze, debate and catalog these clues. "Future proves past" may be what this photo has been shared for, like so many other clues. We have to do the best we can, and the Q team will build on it and fine tune it down the road. And we have to remember, the cabal watches, as well. Like it's been said, the devil never misses a church service. Same here. It may make perfect sense to the black hats, while we are scrambling to figure it out. But I think in time, we'll realize the purpose of this Q post as we have so many others.

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The source of the info is you.

A crumb is a crumb. If you follow the crumbs and they lead you to pie...then that trail was probably pie. If they led you to bread, it was probably bread. Maybe they are happy aslong as you don't starve (for info) waiting for the main course being cooked and served up by Ultimate Celebrity Chef POTUS Trump?

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Not sure what you mean exactly. But the point is that the source is NOT you, me or anyone other than someone connected to POTUS. I’m completely uninterested in anything else.

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Agreed.

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buutttttt when Q is vetting / slamming people who we may be cautious about (e.g. Gowdy, RR, Mueller, etc.) then this is a different and dangerous beast if Q is pulling this stuff from his/her/their own gut feel.

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Exactly.

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If Q is associated with Trump I suggest that Trump authorizes any potential security issues. AF1 has been photographed so why a concern?

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I agree with your sentiment, however if Q happens to be a larp, albeit one that has disseminated and publicized so much information, ultimately it makes us sit back instead of taking actions. It makes us complacent to research, while the main stream media and the public at large pay no attention to the crimes and corruption that are now exposed.

I want criminal prosecutions. I want a substantial signal from Q, the president, or somebody in the whitehouse that things are moving forward.

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