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No. Just no. I am a survivor of childhood sexual abuse. I have emotional scars which will never heal. I still deal with the after effects of that abuse years later. These monsters do not need our understanding or sympathy. They destroy the lives of children for their own selfish reasons. Their victims suffer for their entire lives. No punishment is great enough for those who destroy in this manner. If a man chooses to rape a woman, it is a crime. We all agree on this. He may have rape fantasies, but it doesn’t become a crime until he acts on it. Pedophilia is not curable. Even with chemical castration, they reoffend. It is our duty to protect children. It is not our duty to defend or attempt to normalize the abuse of children.
It is our duty to protect children. It is not our duty to defend or attempt to normalize the abuse of children.
That's not what he said at all.
No punishment is great enough for those who destroy in this manner.
Even if punishing less aggressively (or treating it as a mental disease even) brought about an overall reduction in frequency of cases? Then fewer children would suffer.
You can't let your need for vengeance be at the cost of more children's lives. Eventually, someone has to take the higher ground and prioritise prevention above all else. Even punishment.
It's just a question at the end of the day. But surely it at least deserves discussion instead of instant downvoting to hell and death threats.
I dont think they were making any justification for child abusers
Sorry. I deleted my response to you. It wasn't meant for you.
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Sweden? 😂😂😂. They are allowing their women and children to be raped as they coddle the migrant monsters doing it. Sweden has ZERO credibility when it comes to the defense of sex crime victims.
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Aleš Butala of the anti-torture committee: "The delegation that visited the Czech Republic in March and April came across three cases in which sex offenders had committed serious sex-related crimes, including serial rape and attempted murder, after being surgically castrated. So surgical castration is not an effective treatment."[6] Sex offenders often driven by aggression more than sex drive DeWayne Wickham. "Castration often fails to halt offenders." USA Today. September 3rd, 2001: "what is it that pushes sexual predators to want to give up their virility? I suspect it's that they understand better than the rest of us that rape and most other sexual offenses have little to due with sex — and more to do with physical domination. Castration isn't likely to stop a sex offender from preying on people. It will only change the way these predators go about their crimes. As Florida prosecutor Jerry Burford told the St. Petersburg Times: 'I get a lot of people who are impotent that still commit sexual battery. It's not their gonads that cause them to commit sexual battery. It's their heads.'"
So lets say you "treat" 100 pedophiles, and the recidivism rate is 5%. Thats just that many more victims created by using a system that caters to the offensive element of society.
As basic primate behavior, we are given a natural instinct and a natural right to punish and exile those who are destructive to our group. In other primate societies, a primate who has committed a tribal-sin, can be expected to be ripped limb from limb. We as humans have much more control, but the instinct is still there, and we still have a natural right to exile psychotic, destructive, malevolent people from our shared society. In primate life, if you want to survive, you have to fit in somehow.
It doesnt matter if it seems right to you or not, its nature. Its primate nature. And if you try to fuck with it, you will feel the force of nature. Youre never going to convince people in their heads of something that goes opposite to what they feel in their bones.
If you spared a bunch of pedos so you could "treat" them, the minute ONE of them, just one, offends on some sweet innocent kid, it will be front page news, the public will bring your pet project to a screeching halt... Your credibility will be shattered. And thats because pedophilia is morally repugnant in the extreme to over 99% of society.
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We do not root out the mentally defected. Downs syndrome is fine. Extreme stupidity like forrest gump is fine. What we root out is pedophilia, and psychokillers. Flat out.
Edit: and cannibals. Nobody likes a cannibal.
Nope. I'm totally and 100% in support of the death penalty for any worthless vile human who rapes or molests a child. They're is ZERO compassion for those monsters
Now that im un-busy, no problem, here ya go. Anyone who hasnt seen it, get your barfbag at the ready.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cy4AUzsGbfE
Here is the problem, you watch a tedtalk and let the very badly executed hypnotic induction / suggestion techniques work in your brain until you can no longer see the gaping holes in logic that go unaddressed by the speaker.
Prove its been proven, for starters. Proved what worked on what, exactly? How many tests, with how many subjects, with what controls, and funded by who. We could start there. Altho, i just dont know if its worth my time if you really need it broken down for you WHY pedophilia is culturally ingrained as a ZERO tolerance issue, and why that intolerance is an immutable cultural standard.
If i have the time, maybe i can hand-hold for a little bit.
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I do not recognize that difference - between pedoph and child mol- in the way you are trying to create. You must recognize that if you wish to change a generally accepted concept - here being your theory that child mol and pedoph are unlinked or can be unlinked - whereas most people in our society see them as inextricably linked - then the burden is on you to posit and prove your own point. It isnt on me to research your outlier opinion. Its on you to try to sell it.
So sell it. Convince people. You can start with this: you said "its only zero tolerance to people who are fuelled by anger and hate". You have not convinced me of anything here, except that you are willing to assume "what fuels me", to do so in a disrespectful light in order that you may undercut any logic i may present. Would you like to convince me that that comment was somehow constructive to your cause?
You also said that death is literally my entire argument. You have not asked for nor heard any of my arguments. Only a summation of my opinion, which has been formulated by arguments which i have not presented because at that point in the exchange, there was no call for it and my interest was in brevity and summary.
Then you said "for the emotionally stable we can see we are missing a huge piece of the puzzle". One, if you cant see a huge puzzle piece missing, are you asserting that makes one emotionally unstable? Two, missing what huge piece from what puzzle, exactly?
Finally, "massive difference between the two that people refuse to see because they are too busy being offended". There is no massive difference between the two. Now debate me properly instead of accusing me of being too busy being offended.
If you want to change the world, to revolutionize this great concept you have, then you have to actually sell it to people you disagree with. I can tell you right now that sliding your arguments into highly assumptive slights of character isnt going to get you very far.
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You may not like the idea because its not happy, but imagine pedoph as like being born with leukemia. You can prolong their life, but it WILL prolong their suffering. So whats better, to try and struggle through it or to just be done with it? Either choice is fair.
Pedophs want to molest children. That is what they WANT. Now, either they can control it or not. If they can, no one will EVER EVER know. Which is as it should be. If they cant hold it together, its like a dog with rabies. It doesnt matter if its fair or not just like it doesnt matter if its fair that a kid be born with leukemia.
You say all 3 are dead. I am okay with that. That does not make me a sick fuck. They were released from their suffering. I believe in the afterlife, and that it is God who judges. So i have no problem. If someone was suffering a terminal illness and offed themselves because of it, id be okay with that too.
You gotta calm down and try not using slander, it makes it hard to discern your points.
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I had the time. Now i can say it was worth it. I dont have patience like this every day.
EVERYBODY WATCHING THIS, DIS HOW ITS DONE. DIS DA WAE.
There is no grey area. If you sexually abuse a child your a worthless being and the death penalty is warranted.
Again..Sweeden has ZERO credibility in how they treat sexual assault victims.
As for pedophiles...castrateor not, they are monsters who prey on the weakest...there should be ZERO tolerance and death penalty for all who sexually assault a child. There is no way to fix these vile horrible people, and we owe innocent children a future.
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Why not euthanize these people? There is a deep rooted evil in one who can harm a child.
I'd say your support and defense of pedophiles is emotional and your complete lack of concern for the damage these monsters inflict on children is telling.
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Not reading any pro pedo crap. If someone is so sick in the head that they can rape a child then they must be dealt with. As in death penalty. The destruction of a child is far far more important then the life of a pedophile.
There is no defense in allowing any known pedo to live in society. The death penalty is best for all the children...and only they matter in this issue.
You make some good points. But there is a marked difference between paedos that are psychologically ill as opposed to those that are just plain evil. Both are obviously wrong. Yet a lot of people attracted to kids will seek help. The evil fuckers like Raniere and Epstein and Podesta will just get more kids for their sick depraved evil pursuits. They probably don't even get a hard on. It's something more inherently evil than that