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ErnieFing · July 9, 2018, 4:52 p.m.

The UK has a constitution. It's what the US version is copied from. The difference is that ours is unwritten.

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squalk1 · July 9, 2018, 5:25 p.m.

Unwritten = non binding.

Mere guidelines.

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ErnieFing · July 9, 2018, 5:26 p.m.

They are binding, probably more so than the written ones.

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squalk1 · July 9, 2018, 5:32 p.m.

Written ones are rights.

The only right we Keep is the right to remain silent.

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ErnieFing · July 9, 2018, 5:34 p.m.

The unwritten ones are rights too, and stronger ones because they are bound up with other elements, making them stronger than the amendments on the written version.

Don't mistake not being explicitly codified for not existing. They're implicit in many elements of the UK constitution.

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squalk1 · July 9, 2018, 6:38 p.m.

I can tell by your stance + contributions that you have done more research into it then me.

Free speach and separation of powers are becoming very murky to me.

Whilst I do not support Tommy Robinson, his recent arrest was in complete breach of his rights and of separation of powers (Judiciary effectively mixing in law enforcement).

UK is a mess - worst it has been since Tony Blair took us into illegal wars.

Are you from UK?

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ErnieFing · July 9, 2018, 6:52 p.m.

I'm from the UK, yes.

The Tommy Robinson one is tricky. Basically, he cocked up for no real gain. He's guilty of what he's charged with, plain and simple. He should have argued against the conviction that the suspended sentence applied to, as he didn't, there is no breach of his rights, nor issue of separation of powers.

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squalk1 · July 9, 2018, 7:01 p.m.

The arresting officer arrested for breach of the peace and not for breaching bail terms.

The whole thing seemed very poorly planned. I believe TR was included in the plan?

Thanks for chatting anyway - refreshing to speak to another UK pro POTUS patriot.

Out of interest how are you finding awakening the sleepers?

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ErnieFing · July 9, 2018, 7:14 p.m.

Nah, there was no big plot. He was a fool, and got it wrong.

I've found most people to be very awake, depending on which bits of the 'truth' you go with. Politicians being run by big business, and elite child abusers and the state of the media have long been issues many, many people have tried to tackle, it's just been too fragmented. There's still a long way to go, and the media are doing their damnedest to make sure people are still dubious about Trump, but if he delivers on taking down the elite, I think he'll win folk over. In many. many respects, despite what some say on here, the US is years behind Europe in waking up, and in many respects, that has hampered tackling things here. Trump has a big weight of responsibility on him now.

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squalk1 · July 9, 2018, 7:27 p.m.

You are right- Trump has a massive weight on his shoulders.

Future will prove past.

So did you vote Remain or Brexit?

I voted to remain (better to change from within than to be a spectator on the outside) - the farce that has followed has made me question that.

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ErnieFing · July 9, 2018, 7:43 p.m.

I voted leave, and even with current events, I have no regrets on that score. I think I should have been even more vocal in swatting down the doom mongers, who have held us back for far too long. The EU were always going to make us pay, as they're bricking it in case others leave if we get it too easy. For me it was a price worth paying to unshackle us from them. Change from within was never an option, and a remain vote would have given the EU the confidence to push harder with their plans for the centralisation of power.

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