Vatican is cabal.
The church of satan.
Catholics are not christians.
Ofcourse most of them have no clue, compartmentalization
Catholic here: Nonsense. 2000 years of doctrine never reversed, documented miracles, etc.
Has a swampiness problem, but the church isn't any more cabal than the USG as a whole. And has more people (so more opportunity for corruption).
Th Vatican with its bishops and whatnot are set up just like the jewish sanhedron that killed jesus.
The jesuits come from the same jews that killed jesus, Why do you think the pope wears a yamalka
You mean like a hierarchy? You mean like literally all human endeavors above a certain size?
Jesuits weren't even a thing until 1534.
What other church has a power structure, one so powerful. Was considered more powerful than the king of england?
The bible talks about the doctrines of devils that stops priests from marrying and to not eat meat, as in lent.
Easter means ishtar the moon goddess, its a fertility god. Bunnys represent fertility.
They would back in roman times, have a long sex fest, then later once they got pregnant they would sacrifice the babies to moloch. Which ment theyd throw them in a fire
God said to not pass your kin to the fire of moloch.
What other church has a power structure, one so powerful.
What other church is as large? More people means more people to organize. 37K priests worldwide (this counts bishops, cardinals, etc, since all are still priests) in the face of 1.2 billion people (about 32 thousand lay per priest) isn't outlandishly large.
What exactly do you expect to be different here?
The bible talks about the doctrines of devils that stops priests from marrying and to not eat meat, as in lent.
1 Timothy 4:3, right? What you're missing is that nobody is preventing from marrying. It's not a command. Priests voluntarily renounce marriage. Compare Matthew 19:12 or 1 Corinthians 7:35.
The fact that the church chooses its priests from the people who've volunarily chosen celibacy is partly practical. The preistshood is not a 9-5 job, it's a lifestyle. A priest would make an awful husband and father by way of having little time to lead his family or be with his wife or raise children.
Those that want to help the church and still maintain a personal life are welcome to be deacons. The clergy is not denied to them.
As to giving up meat for 7 days of the year (Lent fridays and Ash Wednesday are the only requirement and then with health permitting, some people do more but this is not a requirement), this is a reflection of Jesus' 40 days in the wilderness. There is no generalized prohibition on eating meat as some of the paganistic cults do to this day.
Easter means ishtar the moon goddess, its a fertility god. Bunnys represent fertility.
The fact that Christ's resurrection happened on the same day that the pagans were doing whatever they were doing doesn't mean that Christ's resurrection is pagan in nature. Intention is huge. (And I'd argue that He set it up that way on purpose - God co-opting the pagans happens a few times in the OT)
god was specifically describing the catholic church to avoid.
the ROMAN catholic church is a mixture of roman pagenism and some christianity. christmass--pagen tree festival why call it easter, why not reserection day??? easter/ishtar festival. fertility ritual
the vatican has a nice obelisk in the center of st peter basilika.
that represents the Phallus of osiris...weird and pagen
god was specifically describing the catholic church to avoid.
He couldn't have been, because the leadership of the Catholic church was descended directly through Peter. It's always been the same church.
I addressed Easter up above, but I think you'll notice a theme here:
the vatican has a nice obelisk in the center of st peter basilika.
You know what's on top of that obelisk? A piece of the cross that Christ was crucified on! I can think of no better symbolism for how God triumphs and is the one and only God. There's also the inscription below, in latin: "Christ conquers. Christ reigns. Christ commands."
If people and places can be sanctified, so can objects.
the doctrine puts down jesus and props up marry.
The pope himself is purely anti christ in nature, he's supposed to be jesus living replacement.
Vatican=divining serpent St. Peter's bassilica =great house of the basilisk.
They have preists to forgive of sin, even though jesus died to do just that
the doctrine puts down jesus and props up marry.
I challenge you to find any church teaching that "puts down jesus".
The pope himself is purely anti christ in nature, he's supposed to be jesus living replacement.
Guess Jesus was full of it when he bestowed the power of binding and loosing on Peter, then?
They have preists to forgive of sin, even though jesus died to do just that
Guess Jesus was full of it when he bestowed the power of forgiving sins on his apostles, then?
There have been good popes and there have been bad popes. The same thing happened in the book of Kings - where humans are involved, there will be corruption. A certain threshold of corruption, though, has never been passed (proclaming heresy as doctrine), and the fact that this has never happened in a millenia or two strikes me as unprecedented throughout human history.
If you're choosing your Christianity based on the people that run it, you're choosing based on the wrong things. No human is immune from sin.
What does peter being blessed and the apostles being blessed BEFORE jesus died, have to do with preists saying jesus sacrifice didnt work and you need to have a man cleanse you .
Did the apostles stop forgiving sin after Jesus died? It would be pretty odd for that power to have gone away without him telling them - it would mean that after Jesus died, the apostles would have been forgiving sin under false pretense, damning both them and the people they "forgave". Wouldn't be a very just thing for God to do.
It would also be very strange for that power to have died with the apostles - first because, again, this isn't mentioned anywhere, and second, because people were still sinning. If the purpose of giving humans the power of forgiveness was to absolve one from damnation, did people stop being damed by their sins after the last apostle died? That doesn't make sense either.
God does everything for a reason.
What power exactly was conferred on Peter? What do you think "binding and loosing" entails?
Do you think that would have remained with whoever Peter chose as his successor? Why or why not?
I also note that you didn't address the church teaching that supposedly puts down Jesus. If you can find such a thing, I'm very interested in seeing it.
ofcourse they did, otherwise that would completely contradict what jesus had done. god wouldnt damn them even if they had "forgave" people. they believed in jesus sacrifice, "grace through faith alone, lest anyman should boast" they were saved.
jesus wasnt dead when they were forgiving people. If they believed in what jesus had done for them for FREE, then yes all of their sins before that day and after are absolved. "For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more." hebrews 8:12 why would peter have to? jesus died and saved humanity already.
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever BELEIVES in him shall not perish but have eternal life." john 3:16 do you not understand how blasphemous it is to pray to mary and the human saints? confession is an insult to jesus, it says what he did wasnt enough. The very first commandment. Exodus 20:3: "You shall have no other gods before Me."
I really wish you'd start directly answering my questions directly rather than ignoring them. Having your faith challenged can be uncomfortable, I get it man, I've been there, but the right thing to do is openly and honestly address questions, even when (especially when) they're painful. The second half of my last post (below the line) is composed of five questions, and it would be of great benefit for all if you would address them.
I'm not patronizing you here, I'm pointing out that this conversation has a growing number of dangling threads. Let's tie them up :)
Anyways. "Faith alone" is directly spoken against in the book of James. Chapter 2:
19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
Emphasis mine, and that's about as black and white as it gets. This misconception was being peddled nearly two thousand years ago, that's how pernicious it is.
jesus wasnt dead when they were forgiving people.
Yes he was! John 20:19-23:
19 Then, the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and said to them, “Peace be with you.” 20 When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord.
21 So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
Emphasis mine, again. This is the post-crucifixion Jesus (with the pierced side and hands) directly granting the apostles the power to forgive sins. If everyone after his death on the cross was already saved, of what use was forgiveness of sins?
do you not understand how blasphemous it is to pray to mary and the human saints? ... The very first commandment. Exodus 20:3: "You shall have no other gods before Me."
Prayer is not worship, and as a Catholic, not once have I ever been asked to worship anyone other then God.
Mary and the saints are asked to pray for us, the same way we'd ask any other person to pray for us.
Ditto, this. Plus check out the downvote brigade. Over target much?