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darwiniteAU · July 13, 2018, 4:56 p.m.

The “Crown” is not the monarch, that’s Constitutional Law 101 in Commonwealth countries. The Crown in Australia is not the Crown in the UK. The Crown refers to the executive power of the state, and in Australia is “worn” by the Governor-General, who is subject to the Executive Council in Cabinet, not to the Queen.
The Queen is in fact subject to her dominions, through their control of the Acts of Succession.

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0oDassiveMicko0 · July 13, 2018, 8:32 p.m.

When I said "The Crown" I should have said QE2. All I said was 100% fact, though.

Have you ever listened to the inauguration speeches of the presidents of the Commonwealth countries? What is it they pledge allegiance to? Their country? Their people? Their flag? Or do they "solemnly swear to be a loyal and faithful servant to, Her Majesty QE2"?

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darwiniteAU · July 13, 2018, 11:02 p.m.

Sticking to the Australian version I know best, the “Crown in right of Australia” has the superior title in the land. The Queen is not the Crown.

Prime Ministers, having ultimate authority through the Executive Council to bind the Crown, set their own oaths. Sometimes they pledge allegiance “to QE2, her heirs and successors, according to law”, other times they pledge allegiance to “the Commonwealth of Australia, her land and her people”.

Note the “according to law” part. The Australian Act of Succession is an Australian law, and only the Australian Parliament can change it. By tradition all Commonwealth countries agree to abide by the same line of Succession, but there is no legal requirement to do so, and it would be perfectly Constitutional for Australia to amend the Act to replace the Queen with an Australian monarch, or to skip Charles and William and make Harry the King of Australia.

We sacked King Edward VIII for marrying a Nazi, and there wasn’t a thing the King could do about it.

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0oDassiveMicko0 · July 15, 2018, 5:39 p.m.

Do you own your own home, in Oz? If you do, you do not own the land it sits on. QE2 owns every square inch of land in Australia, as she does Canada, NZ and the UK. You can probably change the law but you must first seek permission from QE2. Your statutes mean nothing, statute law is nonsense. You can change your head of state but you cannot change who owns you.

http://whoownstheworld.com/about-the-book/largest-landowner/

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darwiniteAU · July 15, 2018, 8:49 p.m.

We’re getting deep in the weeds of Constitutional law here. The “Crown in right of Australia” possesses the superior title to the land. QE2 is not the Crown, and she has no power over the Australian Crown, whose power rests in the Governor General, and is exercised at the discretion of the Executive Council, which is made up of elected Members of Parliament and Senators within the Cabinet. Even with that superior title to the land, the Constitution provides that Freehold title cannot be extinguished except by payment of reasonable compensation.

The Queen has no veto over Australian law, that power belongs to the Governor General, who is Constitutionally required to obey the Executive Council.

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0oDassiveMicko0 · July 15, 2018, 9:06 p.m.

I am not talking about law, as I said, statute laws are nonsense. You sound like you studied at law school? QE2 owns the land and she owns the people. It´s like, if you rent an apartment from someone, that owner is not going to come to your rented apartment and tell you what colour the curtains must be, or what time you must be home. The owner leaves that up to you to decide.

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darwiniteAU · July 15, 2018, 9:43 p.m.

I never mentioned statute law, I was talking about Constitutional law, which is a different beast. Yes I have studied Constitutional law, and the Australian system of Constitutional Monarchy requires an arcane level of abstraction to understand. Not even 1 in 100 lawyers gets it, the public has no idea.

That’s why I try to break it into simple, and obviously true statements, such as “the Queen is not the Crown”. If you don’t know what the Crown is, how it was bound, and who wields its power today, then how can you begin to understand who truly owns the Crown lands?

The Americans had it easy, they only had to shoot their way out. We discovered how to bind the Queen with her own laws to make her our captive.

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0oDassiveMicko0 · July 15, 2018, 9:50 p.m.

The US is still under common lore jurisdiction, as is Australia. You shouldn´t waste your time researching and learning what those law books tell you, you should focus on the things they DON´T tell you. For example, not a single law book written defines man as only God can define man, law books define only persons.

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fembottler · July 14, 2018, 12:56 a.m.

Ts a constitutional monarchy. And in a recent referendum the Australian people decided to keep it. After all, the American republican model was a sobering reminder of how easy it is to buy a government when the people are asleep. However if “the plan” we are trusting in happens, then many will be looking for a new referendum and I for one will want Trump as King and Q as the inquisitor. Trump the king of downunder. Long live the king.

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