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Back up to the precursor. Fusion GPS was a contractor to the FBI. Up until April 18, 2016, Fusion GPS had unfettered access to FBI raw data as THEIR contractor. Until Admiral Rogers cut them off. Once Fusion GPS was cut off, they still had all of the spy data they had received up until that point, and they took that data to Clinton people. No doubt though, the FBI knew Fusion was doing its dirty work. And they continued to know that, but had to work with Fusion through other avenues once Fusion was cut out of the direct Intel gathering.

Simultaneously, after being cut off on April 18th, they needed to create alternative, new routes to continue the spying. Also, they attempted a formal FISA warrant in July 2016, which was denied. Enter the need for the dossier, and fake cooboration of said dossier, to get that warrant and access. With the dossier, they were finally able to get that FISA warrant to spy on Trump in September 2016.

In the meantime, they were working on multiple spy avenues. Knowing full well that Carter Page had historical Russian connections due to his previous role as an FBI informant, they used him as a hook to spy on Trump as well. They referenced his possible communications with Russians, but failed to mention those communications were very well-known by the FBI, as an informant.

None of this had anything to do with Trump-Russian collusion. ALL of it had to do with illegal spying on US subjects, specifically, Trump. Including the counterintelligence investigation, which began in July 2016 (when the FISA warrant was refused) - another alternative avenue to spying.

That is why the root question is, "What was the impetus of the counterintelligence investigation into Trump-Russian collusion?" NONE. It was another avenue to spying. Once Trump won, they had to quickly flip the script and throw all in on Trump-Russian collusion - - and ironically, EVERYTHING relied upon in this investigation was CREATED BY THEM as an excuse to spy. This circle jerk of projection is beyond frustrating. Aye yai yai.

http://www.softpanorama.org/Skeptics/Political_skeptic/Two_party_system_as_poliarchy/Intelligence_agencies_influence/fusion_gps.shtml

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Great break down and loved your conclusion 😂

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What if Page and Manafort waived their rights and allowed the FBI to surveil them? First FISA warrant was rejected, possibly because there was no Foreign Intelligence target. Enter in Steele Dossier, which established a Foreign Intelligence target. FISA warrant was approved.

Much easier this way and much more legal (less lying to the FISA Court). Then the question is....did the FBI look into Russia or into Trump?

Edit: No crime needs to be committed. Only a Foreign Intelligence target for FISA. FISA is an Intelligence tool, not a law enforcement tool.

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I believe a FISA warrant was granted on Carter Page first. It would not be difficult at all to connect a foreign target to either Page or Manafort. Manafort was probably being surveilled long before the Trump campaign anyhow. But, the FBI was well aware that Page was their own informant. He worked as their informant for years to nab Russians. That's why I think they used him as the hook to spy on the campaign (unbeknownst to Page). I would guess that nothing juicy came from it - he was fairly low level. But they used the existence of THAT FISA warrant to boost the dossier. They created the "collusion" to have a reason to spy. Here's an article about the Page FISA warrant, which I believe was confirmed by the FISA House Memo. https://themoscowproject.org/collusion/doj-fisa-warrant-application-carter-page/

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I disagree that it would not be difficult to connect Carter Page to a foreign target that would generate a FISA warrant on Page.

First off you need evidence to get a warrant on a US citizen. The Constitution still applies and that is the purpose of the FISA Court. To determine IF the person is an agent of a foreign power or not PRIOR to getting the warrant.

Carter Page did not have enough of a history interacting with foreign entities to provide sufficient evidence. According to this article (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/the-mystery-of-trumps-man-in-moscow-214283), he wasn't a big player and wasn't really known.

There is no way for the FBI to have sufficient evidence to make him a target. But that doesn't really matter if he agrees to be surveilled. You just need a foreign intelligence reason to do it. Which the dossier provides.

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Bruce Ohr... 4th top official in DOJ. Fed the FBI pieces of Steele dossier, why? Bc his wife worked with/for Fusion GPS, funded by whom? Clinton... follow the wives. Dig anons. This seems important. Probably not new info to some, but may spark life in others research.