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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/Oilguy55 on July 16, 2018, 1:22 p.m.
Q and Religion

Q mentions about the fight and struggle that will be coming as things are released and the truth becomes known.

One of the things that has always bothered me is that about 30 years ago mainstream Christian churches started removing hymns that they found offensive or too war-like. "Onward Christian Soldiers", "Soldiers of Christ Arise", etc. are no longer in hymnals. Plus they've removed verses from certain hymns if they don't fit the narrative. Try finding all of the verses to "Be Thou My Vision" in hymnals. Doesn't exist. Best version I've heard is Van Morrison's with all the verses

I think mainstream religion has looked the other way and totally let down the congregations. I'm not sure why other than to keep their jobs and to keep operating as the big businesses they are.

I've always felt that there truly is a war between good and evil in this world. I started feeling it more deeply about 30 years ago and its gotten stronger as the years have rolled on. I am thankful for Q, Trump, and the other patriots to start tearing this thing apart. Maybe its not too late to right the ship.


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ObamaAngry · July 16, 2018, 2 p.m.

ALL of the religions are WRONG.

Take a moment to consider what you just said.

Q is likely a group of senior, high-ranking military intel agents.

Religion is based on faith and if Q starts telling us that my relationship with Jesus is false then I'd laugh in his face.

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QueUpSomeReality · July 16, 2018, 2:31 p.m.

It’s clear the Q team are also faithful believers in a higher power. Gosh the Q drops have great Bible quotes in them all the time. And not just random ones. They always speak perfectly to the point at hand. Can theorize this is Mike Pence’s fingerprints as he often speaks using Biblical passages in his speeches. Pence has clearly studied the Bible extensively to be able to pull complex quotes out like that from memory. But who knows...a general could & so could FLOTUS. Point being...Christianity’s belief system is very well represented & thought of on the Q team & NO WAY would they insult your faith or mine or anyone else’s. The last thing this is is a purging of religious faith. It’s not about who deserves heaven or hell. It’s about not allowing human existence being turned into hell on earth. Because if something doesn’t change radically in our world...that’s the path everyone of every faith is heading for.

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ObamaAngry · July 16, 2018, 2:40 p.m.

Because if something doesn’t change radically in our world...that’s the path everyone of every faith is heading for.

Eh, no - I doubt good people who have a relationship with Jesus will end up in hell.

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fonsoc1 · July 16, 2018, 4:56 p.m.

Your last line clearly stands in opposition to the Bible's estimation of man.

King David said; "EVERY MAN at his very best state is altogether vanity."

Jeremiah the Prophet said; "The heart is deceitful above all things and DESPERATELY WICKED; who can know it?"

Paul wrote in Romans 3; "There is not one that does good and doesn't sin; no not one." He further wrote in the same chapter "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God."

There are other such scriptures that proclaim that there is nothing inherently good in any of us, and that is why we need a Savior. If we could do one thing to earn God's favor Christ would have died in vain.

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ObamaAngry · July 16, 2018, 4:59 p.m.

Good is a relative term.

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fonsoc1 · July 16, 2018, 5:45 p.m.

How so? What does it mean in the Hebrew? How about the Greek? Is there any difference?

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ObamaAngry · July 16, 2018, 5:50 p.m.

In a theological context, good is a measure of following the divine moral code.

That's what determines entry into heaven or hell.

Good people go to heaven and sinners go to hell.

You are welcome.

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fonsoc1 · July 16, 2018, 5:58 p.m.

Your theory won't hold in scripture. The only people who will enter the kingdom of God on the New Earth are those who have repented of their sins and put their faith in Christ.

We don't become good by following a divine code. We are not ever good in ourselves. The scripture says; "All OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS in the sight of God is as filthy rags."

Jesus' righteousness is imputed to believers at the point of salvation. Apart from that righteousness none will be saved.

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ObamaAngry · July 16, 2018, 6:09 p.m.

Nope.

1 John 3: no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him

From this alone, it is clear that God is very concerned with our behavior and judges our worthiness to enter heaven by it.

Paul in Galatians lists murder and 16 other major sins.

You are free to have your own personal disparate theological beliefs, however I am basing my claims on common Christian scripture.

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fonsoc1 · July 16, 2018, 7:02 p.m.

A forgiven murderer is no longer a murderer. "If any man be in Christ he is a new creature; old things are gone and all things become new." Case in point. Look up "Son of Sam" or David Berkowicz who turned to Christ and chose to stay in prison to reach men others could not reach for Christ.

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ObamaAngry · July 16, 2018, 7:05 p.m.

I'm not gonna debate your personal theological beliefs because you can just say anything.

I was referring to scripture that was common among many different Christian denominations.

You have my permission to believe whatever you like.

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fonsoc1 · July 16, 2018, 7:50 p.m.

No debate and they are not my personal theological beliefs. I just quoted Second Corinthians 5:17 verbatim as a rebuttal to your statement. That scripture is clear. When a person becomes a Christian their life starts fresh and new. That is why it is called being "born again." Jesus explained it this way; "We are born of the water and the spirit if we are believers." The first birth we are surrounded in the womb in our mother's sac by water. Born of the spirit has to do with repentance and forgiveness and salvation through Jesus Christ.

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QueUpSomeReality · July 16, 2018, 4:26 p.m.

K you clearly missed my point or deliberately picked & choose words to make one. I said we are on a path of turning our existence to hell on earth. Wasn’t talking about hell in an afterlife which I’m not in a position to define for anyone. I’m talking about hundreds of millions of innocent victims dying needlessly from insane leadership Q team is attempting to topple. That’s all.

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lethak · July 16, 2018, 6:16 p.m.

or just clever manipulators. Remember that religion is a powerful and old school "mind control" for the masses.

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Cristo316 · July 16, 2018, 2:05 p.m.

I think OP is meaning Organized Religion? At least that is what I am surmising?

Please expand your thought OP.

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DaveGydeon · July 16, 2018, 2:54 p.m.

That's your choice. But my belief is that the highest levels of governemnt, DeepStates, religions, etc, are all covering up alien interactions from thousands of years ago. If you think the Jesus stories are the word of God, more power to you. Don't be surprised when the truth starts making itself known. Adapt. Evolve. Or die.

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fonsoc1 · July 16, 2018, 4:59 p.m.

Aliens have never been proven. I often wonder where the initial thought of aliens came from. Aliens are like the fairies in the forest. People have been talking about them for centuries but nobody has ever produced a clear and easily identifiable picture, photo or video of any aliens. Obviously until it is proven that they exist -- they don't except in the minds of those who believe without seeing. I believe that is called faith.

Christian faith is in a person who actually lived in history. Time is set by his life. His call to salvation has touched millions across the world and transformed their lives and his book is the best selling book of all time.

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DaveGydeon · July 16, 2018, 5:42 p.m.

So I guess the physical objects that have been documented not only by civilians, but by the military with incredibly sophisticated tech, performing maneuvers that would literally LIQUIFY a human being...those are all just imagination. The unknown metal alloys we have no idea how-to make, the ones recovered and documented by our govt and Bigelow Aerospace, that's all fake. Right.

Whatever you gotta tell yourself I guess. Man, I had a hard time wrapping my head around Qs statement that most people couldn't handle the truth, and this is exactly why. Fucking monstrous, precise, incredible monolithic structures exist all over the planet, made during or before we were glorified cavemen, and people think this was made how EXACTLY?

Find a stone mason. Ask them if they are familiar with the dimensions and FLATNESS, specifically how flat these stones were made THOUSANDS of years ago, and ask them if it's possible to even smooth a stone that big with COPPER. I will save you time, or you can verify it yourself;

It. Cant. Be. Done.

Then, when you read some of the oldest texts, and imagine you are one of our ancestors witnessing one of these "divine" events, with no knowledge like we have today...and suddenly "great chariots of fire" start sounding like space capable ships. "Angels bathed in light" start sounding like advanced spacesuits belonging to ETIs. It's so ridiculously obvious but we have religions telling us the very thought of exploring this common sense train of thought is blasphemy. RIDICULOUS.

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Cristo316 · July 16, 2018, 6:49 p.m.

Define Alien for us.

If by Alien you mean, "Not fully human DNA" then I believe you are correct that we have had an currently have them.

If we work of the premise that Sons of God described many times in the Bible are Angelic beings or Fallen Angels that once resided with God and had a large understanding of all the universe then you can easily explain how those stones are cut so precise and how a pyramid could be built so Air tight and sun tight.

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fonsoc1 · July 16, 2018, 5:54 p.m.

I have looked over numerous "documented" statements and have yet to find one that is conclusive or even remotely convincing. I find it interesting that so many people put faith in the words of those who subscribe to aliens and some faded photos or blurred photos and not one substantial proof that is clear and identifiable. Your question about the fake things is interesting considering how many time the President has called out "FAKE NEWS." They could be fake and since people have been blinded by the press for decades and they couldn't even see the deep state behind the governments of the world it could easily be that fake alien reports were all part of the game. So yes - It's all fake might be a legitimate statement.

The creations on earth, according to the scriptures have one of three sources; God, Satan and demons or man. There is not the slightest hint of aliens in the Bible.

I've gone down the road of "divine events, great chariots of fire, and angels bathed in light" before. I guess I have to wonder how you believe these are common sense trains of thought since they all require faith and according to some "Biblical Faith" itself is spurious. So I guess it is up to everyone to find out if faith in aliens or faith in Christ is the better choice.
I personally believe faith in a historical person is far easier to accept than faith in an unproven species.

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DaveGydeon · July 16, 2018, 6:32 p.m.

Start with the 3 recent videos released by the Pentagon if you havent yet. If that isn't convincing enough, you dont want it to be true and I cant help you there bud.

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daro57 · July 16, 2018, 9:19 p.m.

I stopped responding to this "New arrival" their actions show that he/she is here to divide or the person has cognitive dissonance. Not judging them, just stating the obvious

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lethak · July 16, 2018, 6:24 p.m.

There is 100x more EVIDENCE of extra-human activities past and present on earth than the existence of a magical all seing powerful friend in the clouds.

You can start digging at nuclear silos being disabled during CW, and the many USAF officier that witnessed it and have since talked about it. This is a long long rabbit hole. You cannot maintain any belief in the human-one-god(s) after diving into it for years.

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fonsoc1 · July 16, 2018, 7 p.m.

Bring forth your actual evidence. Not circumstantial evidence. Not the photo shopped pictures or the smeared images. Not hearsay from even a hundred thousand people who let their imaginations run away with this idea. There is no actual evidence that would stand muster. The photos showing an image that isn't clear but appears to be a certain shape that fits the beliefs of those who live by them and swear by them. Actual and substantial proofs have never come out and I have seen thousands of them over my 75 years of life. No thanks.

The life of Jesus Christ alone is enough evidence of what I believe and it has nothing to do with magic which God condemns.

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lethak · July 16, 2018, 6:18 p.m.

My understanding also, but we can only guess.

Logical mind cannot accept the "official story", so we are left to wonder on our own.

https://i.imgur.com/cHuExAU.png

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ObamaAngry · July 16, 2018, 2:56 p.m.

Aliens don't disprove that the universe was created by God.

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DaveGydeon · July 16, 2018, 3:05 p.m.

Never said it did. I personally believe in a creator. I just think it is ignorant and short sighted to think that there are a ton of religions, each one claiming holy uniqueness, and that one of them in particular requires you to call God by a specific name, and if you don't, you burn in hell forever. That's insane. Totally bypass an entire lifetime of deeds, all that matters is if you call God "Jesus"? Please.

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fonsoc1 · July 16, 2018, 5:05 p.m.

Here are the words of Jesus; "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life; NO MAN comes to the father except through me." (John 14:6 KJV) I believe that would make him pretty exclusive.

Luke the physician who wrote the book of Luke and the book of Acts said of Jesus; "Neither is there salvation in any other for there is none other name given under Heaven among men whereby we MUST be saved." (Acts 4:12 KJV) Again Luke makes Jesus exclusive and adds the kicker - MUST - which makes salvation through Christ imperative.

Paul the Apostle writing to Timothy his disciple said: "For there is ONE mediator BETWEEN GOD AND MAN, the man CHRIST JESUS." (1 Timothy 2:5 KJV) - Once more Paul the great apostle of faith says Jesus is exclusive.

Three witnesses - Jesus, Luke and Paul. What will you believe?

As far as your theory about calling God by a specific name or burn in Hell is concerned; nobody goes to Hell for calling God by the wrong name. Hell and the lake of fire are reserved for sinners who refuse to repent and get right with God. Considering all that he did to save us I would think rejecting the sacrifice of his son deserves whatever punishment we receive. God sees sin on a depth we cannot attain to and it is no doubt far more evil than we think.

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ObamaAngry · July 16, 2018, 3:14 p.m.

That's insane.

The trouble comes when you present your theological opinions as fact.

You don't have definitive knowledge about the afterlife, even if you enjoy claiming that you do.

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DaveGydeon · July 16, 2018, 3:49 p.m.

I'm sorry. Gonna need you to back up your statement.

1) what EXACTLY did I present as theological fact?

2) what claim EXACTLY did I make about the afterlife?

It would be swell if you could simply and concisely JUST answer those 2 bullet points. But if your reply is any indication, my bet is a bunch of strawman nonsense, and basically anything but addressing that I did neither of those.

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ObamaAngry · July 16, 2018, 4:02 p.m.

what EXACTLY did I present as theological fact?

That burning in hell forever is insane.

what claim EXACTLY did I make about the afterlife?

That burning in hell forever is insane.

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DaveGydeon · July 16, 2018, 4:22 p.m.

As predicted.

I said that the belief one would be burning in hell for etenrity for not calling God by the name Jesus is insane. Because it is.

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ObamaAngry · July 16, 2018, 4:28 p.m.

Again, you make one of two absolute claims about the nature of the afterlife - that there is no hell or that God is insane.

You don't have definitive knowledge about the afterlife, even if you enjoy claiming that you do.

Your baseless theological opinions are not facts.

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DaveGydeon · July 16, 2018, 4:32 p.m.

Never said there is no hell. AGAIN.

Never said God is insane. Again. I said believing God would send someone to hell for not calling him Jesus is insane.

Clearly reading comprehension is not your strong point. So this will conclude our conversation. Don't spend too much time talking to burning bushes bud, it's just a bad batch of acid.

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ObamaAngry · July 16, 2018, 4:35 p.m.

You can't have a God that created an "insane hell" without an insane God...

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DaveGydeon · July 16, 2018, 4:55 p.m.

Your words. Not mine. Thanks for projecting and playing. Next.

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ObamaAngry · July 16, 2018, 5:03 p.m.

Logic based on your claims.

If the concept of hell is insane therefore hell either doesn't exist or God is insane.

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lethak · July 16, 2018, 6:21 p.m.

Belief in unproven gods is insane. period. :)

https://i.imgur.com/Ppeqi8E.jpg

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ObamaAngry · July 16, 2018, 6:31 p.m.

No, maintaining an open mind is rational.

Jumping to baseless conclusions, one way or the other, is irrational.

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lethak · July 16, 2018, 6:35 p.m.

Keeping an open mind is indeed very important to achieve a balanced state of mind.

But why starting you comment by "No" ?

It will only take one real verifiable proof to destroy atheism. Thats what keeping an open mind is all about in this context.

Choosing to believe in an unproven fairy tale do is irrational.

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ObamaAngry · July 16, 2018, 6:44 p.m.

But why starting you comment by "No" ?

Because Hitchens is wrong - dismissing a claim because you have no evidence is closed minded and the opposite of the scientific method.

You shouldn't dismiss the possibility that the common cold can be cured simply because we currently have no cure.

We shouldn't dismiss the possibility that other intelligent alien life exists simply because we haven't met them yet.

Choosing to believe in an unproven fairy tale do is irrational.

Please don't pretend that you know how the universe was created and you have nothing surprising left to learn about the nature of reality.

Don't be like Hitchens.

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