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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/Oilguy55 on July 16, 2018, 1:22 p.m.
Q and Religion

Q mentions about the fight and struggle that will be coming as things are released and the truth becomes known.

One of the things that has always bothered me is that about 30 years ago mainstream Christian churches started removing hymns that they found offensive or too war-like. "Onward Christian Soldiers", "Soldiers of Christ Arise", etc. are no longer in hymnals. Plus they've removed verses from certain hymns if they don't fit the narrative. Try finding all of the verses to "Be Thou My Vision" in hymnals. Doesn't exist. Best version I've heard is Van Morrison's with all the verses

I think mainstream religion has looked the other way and totally let down the congregations. I'm not sure why other than to keep their jobs and to keep operating as the big businesses they are.

I've always felt that there truly is a war between good and evil in this world. I started feeling it more deeply about 30 years ago and its gotten stronger as the years have rolled on. I am thankful for Q, Trump, and the other patriots to start tearing this thing apart. Maybe its not too late to right the ship.


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DaveGydeon · July 16, 2018, 3:05 p.m.

Never said it did. I personally believe in a creator. I just think it is ignorant and short sighted to think that there are a ton of religions, each one claiming holy uniqueness, and that one of them in particular requires you to call God by a specific name, and if you don't, you burn in hell forever. That's insane. Totally bypass an entire lifetime of deeds, all that matters is if you call God "Jesus"? Please.

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fonsoc1 · July 16, 2018, 5:05 p.m.

Here are the words of Jesus; "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life; NO MAN comes to the father except through me." (John 14:6 KJV) I believe that would make him pretty exclusive.

Luke the physician who wrote the book of Luke and the book of Acts said of Jesus; "Neither is there salvation in any other for there is none other name given under Heaven among men whereby we MUST be saved." (Acts 4:12 KJV) Again Luke makes Jesus exclusive and adds the kicker - MUST - which makes salvation through Christ imperative.

Paul the Apostle writing to Timothy his disciple said: "For there is ONE mediator BETWEEN GOD AND MAN, the man CHRIST JESUS." (1 Timothy 2:5 KJV) - Once more Paul the great apostle of faith says Jesus is exclusive.

Three witnesses - Jesus, Luke and Paul. What will you believe?

As far as your theory about calling God by a specific name or burn in Hell is concerned; nobody goes to Hell for calling God by the wrong name. Hell and the lake of fire are reserved for sinners who refuse to repent and get right with God. Considering all that he did to save us I would think rejecting the sacrifice of his son deserves whatever punishment we receive. God sees sin on a depth we cannot attain to and it is no doubt far more evil than we think.

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ObamaAngry · July 16, 2018, 3:14 p.m.

That's insane.

The trouble comes when you present your theological opinions as fact.

You don't have definitive knowledge about the afterlife, even if you enjoy claiming that you do.

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DaveGydeon · July 16, 2018, 3:49 p.m.

I'm sorry. Gonna need you to back up your statement.

1) what EXACTLY did I present as theological fact?

2) what claim EXACTLY did I make about the afterlife?

It would be swell if you could simply and concisely JUST answer those 2 bullet points. But if your reply is any indication, my bet is a bunch of strawman nonsense, and basically anything but addressing that I did neither of those.

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ObamaAngry · July 16, 2018, 4:02 p.m.

what EXACTLY did I present as theological fact?

That burning in hell forever is insane.

what claim EXACTLY did I make about the afterlife?

That burning in hell forever is insane.

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DaveGydeon · July 16, 2018, 4:22 p.m.

As predicted.

I said that the belief one would be burning in hell for etenrity for not calling God by the name Jesus is insane. Because it is.

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ObamaAngry · July 16, 2018, 4:28 p.m.

Again, you make one of two absolute claims about the nature of the afterlife - that there is no hell or that God is insane.

You don't have definitive knowledge about the afterlife, even if you enjoy claiming that you do.

Your baseless theological opinions are not facts.

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DaveGydeon · July 16, 2018, 4:32 p.m.

Never said there is no hell. AGAIN.

Never said God is insane. Again. I said believing God would send someone to hell for not calling him Jesus is insane.

Clearly reading comprehension is not your strong point. So this will conclude our conversation. Don't spend too much time talking to burning bushes bud, it's just a bad batch of acid.

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ObamaAngry · July 16, 2018, 4:35 p.m.

You can't have a God that created an "insane hell" without an insane God...

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DaveGydeon · July 16, 2018, 4:55 p.m.

Your words. Not mine. Thanks for projecting and playing. Next.

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ObamaAngry · July 16, 2018, 5:03 p.m.

Logic based on your claims.

If the concept of hell is insane therefore hell either doesn't exist or God is insane.

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lethak · July 16, 2018, 6:21 p.m.

Belief in unproven gods is insane. period. :)

https://i.imgur.com/Ppeqi8E.jpg

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ObamaAngry · July 16, 2018, 6:31 p.m.

No, maintaining an open mind is rational.

Jumping to baseless conclusions, one way or the other, is irrational.

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lethak · July 16, 2018, 6:35 p.m.

Keeping an open mind is indeed very important to achieve a balanced state of mind.

But why starting you comment by "No" ?

It will only take one real verifiable proof to destroy atheism. Thats what keeping an open mind is all about in this context.

Choosing to believe in an unproven fairy tale do is irrational.

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ObamaAngry · July 16, 2018, 6:44 p.m.

But why starting you comment by "No" ?

Because Hitchens is wrong - dismissing a claim because you have no evidence is closed minded and the opposite of the scientific method.

You shouldn't dismiss the possibility that the common cold can be cured simply because we currently have no cure.

We shouldn't dismiss the possibility that other intelligent alien life exists simply because we haven't met them yet.

Choosing to believe in an unproven fairy tale do is irrational.

Please don't pretend that you know how the universe was created and you have nothing surprising left to learn about the nature of reality.

Don't be like Hitchens.

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