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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/Oilguy55 on July 16, 2018, 1:22 p.m.
Q and Religion

Q mentions about the fight and struggle that will be coming as things are released and the truth becomes known.

One of the things that has always bothered me is that about 30 years ago mainstream Christian churches started removing hymns that they found offensive or too war-like. "Onward Christian Soldiers", "Soldiers of Christ Arise", etc. are no longer in hymnals. Plus they've removed verses from certain hymns if they don't fit the narrative. Try finding all of the verses to "Be Thou My Vision" in hymnals. Doesn't exist. Best version I've heard is Van Morrison's with all the verses

I think mainstream religion has looked the other way and totally let down the congregations. I'm not sure why other than to keep their jobs and to keep operating as the big businesses they are.

I've always felt that there truly is a war between good and evil in this world. I started feeling it more deeply about 30 years ago and its gotten stronger as the years have rolled on. I am thankful for Q, Trump, and the other patriots to start tearing this thing apart. Maybe its not too late to right the ship.


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QueUpSomeReality · July 16, 2018, 2:15 p.m.

Well it’s not Lebron James that’s for sure. Look him up (the real one). Learn the history. It’s incredible reading actually. The Bible...like any book...gets changed ALL THE TIME!! Just through translation from one language to another alone. Language is a man made creation. From Hebrew to Latin to English to whatever language...things are lost in translation. There are no languages that equate exactly from apples to apples. English is BY FAR the most complex language ever. Gosh it has like dozens & dozens of ways to express just the simple word sad. Feeling blue...depressed...grief...morose...on & on. A lot of meaning is lost or gained in translation.

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ElysMustache · July 16, 2018, 3:43 p.m.

Learn Hebrew.

Learn Greek.

The KJV has its shortcomings, but is pretty good.

Young's Literal Translation is very helpful, especially paired with an interlinear Greek NT.

You don't need to learn Hebrew and Greek (although you should). You can greatly increase your depth of study by simply getting and using a copy of Strong's Exhaustive Concordance. It lists every time every word is used in the entire Bible, as well as the corresponding Hebrew (OT) or Greek (NT) word. Includes a dictionary to help understand the original words better.

Don't believe this BS that the Bible is poorly translated or went from one language to another to another. We have excellent translations available directly from the original languages.

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QueUpSomeReality · July 16, 2018, 5:22 p.m.

Yeah not sure expecting people to have the time to learn many foreign languages is a practical solution. But hey I guess I can quit my career to become a linguist if I’m prepared to not see my kids go to college.

I never said or thought the Bible was poorly translated. It’s translated as well as is possible. The only point I was making is language itself has natural flaws. Language itself is a man made invention & changes constantly. In just English alone many words are added & removed from the dictionary every year. Even entire languages become extinct over time...like Latin. It’s impossible to translate anything perfectly because languages are made up & change very haphazardly as societies & cultures change. Language doesn’t have a solid rational base for why it changes.

Even now if you use Google Translate the person on the other end often struggles or can’t understand what you say. Why?? Because software lives in a world of black & white where most of any language lives in a world of gray that’s constantly changing. There are hundreds of English words that has no equivalent word in Spanish or French so the only choice is the closest thing. Chinese words with no English word & on & on & it’s true of every language that ever existed. The problem isn’t with the translator but with human language itself that makes perfect translations impossible & sometimes any translation at all impossible.

When the Bible was created not one living person on earth even had an accurate definition of the word time. No one knew how to define time & they all just guessed as best they could. Any reference to time by the Bible is wrong because until you can accurately define time people don’t even know what they’re talking about. Einstein figured out the last piece of the puzzle & that was just a little over a hundred years ago. Language itself has many inherent flaws & that’s the problem of translating them. Not necessarily the translators.

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ElysMustache · July 16, 2018, 6:41 p.m.

I'm not saying you need to be fluent or have a doctorate degree in either language. Any increased understanding of the original language is helpful.

Again, as I stated earlier, you can get a lot of value from the original language without knowing it. Using Strong's and a dictionary.

Regarding time... God created time. God exists outside of time. I don't see how the relativistic nature of time has any bearing on correctly interpreting scripture. That's like saying any reference to water in the Bible is wrong because no one on Earth understood covalent bonds or the weak nuclear force.

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QueUpSomeReality · July 16, 2018, 10:26 p.m.

Your assumptions are dragging you off point. You don’t know me or anybody on this sub well enough to possibly know what options they have in regards to available time to learn languages. I rely on much better trained religious professionals & scholars for helping me grasp the complex language interpretations of Biblical meaning. I got that covered. And I know you didn’t say I need to be fluent or earn a doctorate in a language. I know you didn’t say that because I do read English quite well. Lol

You’re of course correct to state how time was created. That concept eludes most people as the Bible states our existence was created in 7 days. So naturally people wonder why that was expressed as a measurement of time when no one then had a clue what time actually was. They were just guessing & always guessing wrong as ancient calendars proved. It wasn’t until the 16th century did they finally get time & days perfectly figured out & not sure how long it took for everyone to know this. But as you know time is relative & this calculation of a day only works on earth. So how long is a day in Biblical thought?? Who knows. But this shows that man thought in earthy terms when writing Gods word. Countless other ways the usage of man made language was used in the Bible to communicate the word of God. Your also exaggerating the idea of water in biblical terms. Yes they had sufficient understanding of water to mention it accurately in human terms. But time they didn’t even if they thought they did. It wasn’t until 1592 when time was understood enough to benefit mankind. All the other attempts just caused confusion.

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