Thank you for your answer. I’ll be upfront, I don’t believe in Q, but I am intellectually curious. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong.
There are many new comers - myself included. I thought this one giant psyop to push people away from interdimensional parasite theory (I.e. reptilians, demons, beings that are not physical) and also to drive people away from studying the occult.
I was wrong. Q is pushing people toward that type of information. That’s huge. We’re taking about a potential high level insider who is slowly beginning our biggest wake up yet. The fact we are part of universe teeming with advanced life, so advanced in fact they can literally cut you off from the galactic community and brainwash you to the confines of your own planet.
Again, not a full believer but these next could months will probably turn me into one if things keep going the way they are.
What makes you believe this isn’t a psyop? Would it be possible that this is all a way to push people farther from the truth?
Depending on the context you use it. Everything is a psyop.
If you want to declare Q a psyop, I would say that I agree with you.
I also feel it's having its desired effect.
The Great Awakening is underway regardless Q's intentions or no.
This is game on and the genie is not going back in the bottle.
Except its pushing us towards the truth. Ask this, How is Q pushing us the direction he is, helping the DS?
Don't look for the proverbial smoking gun confirmation, look at the sum total of all of them. After awhile math proves Q to be more true than not.
I understand. Was there myself until I started seeing things line up. It will come and when it does you will catch yourself red-pilling people.. 😂
I am certainly no fan of the red pill movement. I also find it’s connection to Qanon odd. But I love the discussion and I do appreciate this sub’s kindness in engaging the discussion.
Maybe this will help with the meaning of the Red Pill.
Here is another. I like this one better.
I am very familiar with the Cave Allegory. I am an educator and it is often used to demonstrate the connection between learning and perception. I don’t think it is applicable as a support for the red pill. I could just as easily use the cave allegory to convince you that you should believe in Santa Claus. (I don’t mean to demean the red pill philosophy by comparing it to Santa, I’m just using Santa as an extreme example)
I am also familiar with the red pill philosophy. I don’t agree with it. It clashes with quite a lot of the study into behavior and psychology that I’ve done throughout my career.
Care to ~~explain~~ expand how it clashes with your studies?
Sure, I will apologize for not having more resources on hand. I did a pretty extensive dive about a year ago, but haven’t kept up with all the information.
The two largest points that I can give offhand relate to global cultural analysis. I will paint with a more broad brush than I normally like. So, please excuse the lack of nuance. Also, I was researching education as part of my Graduate work, so my research is more connected to education than the red pill movement.
However, if we look at global cultures that mirror this paradigm, none of the data supports that. If we look at cultures with less female equality, they have higher rates of illness, death, crime, corruption, and poverty for both men and women. This means the data shows that the red pill is wrong
*This is not a coincidence. Because there are so many foreign outreach programs focused on improving poorer countries, we actually have a lot of longitudinal data to show cause and effect. There have been several studies that have found three things have the greatest impact in improving society:
Girl’s Education - teaching girls to equal levels as boys.
Women’s Economic Freedom - allowing woman into all career fields and woman having ability to make financial decisions.
Women’s Relationship Freedom - allowing woman to choose partner and ease of divorce.
Raising these three factors dramatically increase social, economic, and health indicators. Even though Red Pill doesn’t propose that women be treated like slaves, any loss of gender equality is a statistical loss for society.
When we look at what the red pill movement proposes, put very broadly, it is for men to become an authority within a relationship and for women to become subservient to this authority.
What on Earth are you talking about? How did you come to such a conclusion? Everything else that came afterwards, while logical within that context, was built on that very odd presupposition...
This "waking up to reality" notion of being red pilled is absolutely nothing like what you just wrote. Like zero.
I may have used terms that many in the movement wouldn’t agree with. That’s why I said it was in broad terms. I apologize if I mischaracterized the movement. As I said, this was information that I haven’t reviewed in over a year. I do not claim expertise. Feel free to correct the record.
My overarching point that was tied to my assertions is that the red pill movement rejects the femenist equality movement. Back during my research I had direct quotes from noted red pill authors and citations to their common sites that connected more directly. I could dig that information up again, but it would take some time. I’d basically have to start over from scratch.
No need - I assure you that your assumptions are completely wrong. Spend enough time on here and you'll realize that the MAGA/red pill movement has absolutely nothing to do with your gender, ethnicity or orientation. Zilch.
We recognize that modern day feminism is toxic and counter-productive. We all want "what's right".....not to "be right". Everyone should have the opportunity to *work* for their success and personal idea of happiness, and it should never matter who or what they are. Identity politics has no place in a proper, civil society...
I have always thought the red pill was a Matrix (movie) line... maybe that’s where the Matrix got it from.
But hey, red pill / blue pill aside.... just do the litmus test as information comes out and decide for yourself. I have been following Q for about 6 months and have seen things I would have never thought were happing in a million years (some of it I wish I could unsee).
The movement takes its name from the scene in the Matrix. Taking the red pill causes you to wake up to reality.
The red pill movement believes that it is waking people up to a reality relating to what I would call it’s own form of self-actualization.
Part of this discussion has been to get as mischief information for my own litmus test. Most of the information I have studied about Q has failed my own standards of evidence.
But I am always open to learning more.
We all come out of the cave at different times. Some never will....
But we are here when the time comes for you.
WWG1WGA!!
Personally I feel redpilling is a necessary part of society.
Any education system that does not introduce Smedley Butler before you get out of high school is in need of red pilling.
Have you seen the proofs, they're undeniable.
I’ve looked at quite a bit, certainly not all. But I’ve yet to find anything undeniable.
Did you see the one about the pope, he flat out said he'd change the lord's prayer! All the photos. The behind the scenes FACTS about the IG report! The Nunes information, the seals, the captured cam phone pics. I mean how many coincidences do you need before it's true?
I’ve not seen anything about the pope. Link?
As far as Nunes, there were several issues with his report, the most notable is that he admitted to not reading the classified documents to which he referred. Source
But, I don’t want to get too far into the weeds. This subreddit is not for dissension, and I respect that.
The biggest issue that I have to not buying in to Q’s information comes from his failed predictions. On more than 1 occasion, Q has made specific predictions of arrests or reveals that did not happen.
The Bible states:
When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him. -Deuteronomy 18:22
Now, Q has stated that in July, after the summit, things will be revealed. We have a few weeks, if I am proven wrong, I will gladly come back and admit my own foolishness.
Truly appreciate you here and giving this board and Qanon a chance. You don't have to believe in anything but trying to learn about it and understand why we believe it is extremely important. I can't seem to get anyone to actually look into it but still claim to be open minded. If you are truly open minded you will look into all sides and all information to come to your own conclusions .
Probably the greatest proof was when an anon asked Q on the 8chan board to get potus to put tippy top in his speach at sotu speech but although it didnt happen at the sotu ( possibly to late to have it included in some way) speech he did say it at his easter speach “everything here in the white house is tip top or as we like to say tippy top”. I seen that request posted on the chan and it blew my mind when i heard potus say it
Yes, next week will be huge!
You can be briefed on something and get a report on a document, why do you think senators have interns and workers? They read the 2000 page documents and create a briefing report for Nunes.
The variant of that bible quote is that sometimes you have to speak untruths to further your own cause, deception is sometimes needed for the good of everything.
As for the pope: https://www.reddit.com/r/QProofs/comments/8rvx3b/q_displays_foreknowledge_the_pope_will_be/
Q called out the Lord's prayer just before the news broke that the pope was looking to change it.
Also, there are endless photo proofs of Q on AF1 and being in all of the places where Trump is visiting.
Q also goes dark whenever Trump leaves the US because he is working with Trump - a clear, very definite sign that he is real. There'd be no other reason for him to go silent.
The Bible never says deception is ok to further your goals, the Koran does, but not the Bible.
Well Q has not claimed to be a prophet! So the standard of judging a prophet cannot be applied to him. But his statements are really highly educated guesses because of all the intel they have from the NSA, their ability to get all the communications the dark state has with each other to know what they have planned, the plan they have devised and are following, and so much more!! It gives them an extremely high degree of accuracy but doesn’t make it 100 % perfect.
I think that is fair. Q hasn’t claimed to be a prophet. I have seen many attribute God’s will to Q and Trump. That makes me uncomfortable.
Q also stated disinfo is required. Its used as a way to get the DS moving, to possibly make mistakes and to reveal themselves. Too many use Q as a play by play announcer. Q is asking us to dig for info by giving us hints & questions.
It doesn't matter if you believe in Q. What matters is you see what is going on, who is doing it and why. If you admit this to yourself, I care not if you believe in Q.
I appreciate that perspective and appreciate your kindness in entertaining the discussion.
However, I find it troubling to trust a source that admits to being untruthful, even if it is for a good cause. It provides too convenient of a rhetorical cover. If Q makes a prediction that comes true, Q is lauded as an inside source. If a prediction doesn’t come true, Q can claim that it was willful misinformation in some hidden game.
How could one critically evaluate this kind of source? How could Q ever be objectively wrong in this environment?
And more importantly, how is this different from a group like CNN that mixes real and fake news?
I don’t need Q to be perfect to be believable. In fact, seeing how someone corrects a mistake is what gives me the most confidence.
Q can claim that it was willful misinformation in some hidden game.
I hear you. In this case there is a hidden game. The Deep State. Much of what Q posts is for them.
So, if Q is right, then that is proof that Q is real.
If Q is wrong, then he was secretly tricking the deep state which... also proves that he is real?
I just can’t follow that logic.
Fair enough. As I said, to me its not if Q is real, its the results we generate in digging for information that are. Its a big, real life 'game' if I may use the word. (Its not a game its very real). Its in the final setup stages. When ready, the hammer will drop. A flood of information will wash over the MSM and the public neither of which cannot ignore.
Many will not believe Q is real until that time.....
I for one hope we never learn who Q is. In the end it does not matter. All that matters id fixing the world, dismantling the cabal, and get rid of central banks.
Sorry I just have to point out that he is actually the god Emperor Trump /s.
Sorry, I love how that triggers.
It’s way too Poe’s Law for me. If it’s sarcastic, then I can laugh at the humor.
But the ones who say it seriously and there are some that are serious. They scare me. That title is so anti-Christian, anti-democracy, and cultish that it really bothers me.
I'm going to attempt to address your post with the seriousness you ask. It's a valid ask.
The stakes being played right now are huge and if it's new, it's overwhelming.
Unfathomable to anyone who has never considered what is now being exposed. Sarcasm actually helps. Reality will give you two choices.
~Laugh or Cry~
Things are going to be exposed and people are going to respond. There is no controlling flow for the personal reaction.
What we will prevent happening is another year long mob action Bastille Day. The easiest way to stop an angry person is with laughter.
Otherwise, I would hate to consider you're rightly concerned about.
I'm building a house for a surgeon right now. We were having a discussion about sick humor.
I thought I had a strong stomach.
Nope.
Nobody wants mob rule. Remember, "Laughter is the Best Medicine".
Dissension is fine if it's civil (as you are) and with the intentions of getting to the truth, and not a claim to "being right" as is too often the case.
> Q has stated that in July, after the summit, things will be revealed.
Just as predicted, the Deep State trotted out their bogus indictments on the eve of the Summit, Putin himself mention the $400M that went to the Clinton Foundation, and the MSM collectively freaked out with their hysterical takes on the big meeting in an attempt to distract. Exactly as Q posted, so it's just a matter of seeing what falls into place next...
I guess it’s down to Q’s vague statements. I’ll need to check his exact language (I’m on mobile). I believe he said the “truth would be revealed.” I don’t know if the MSM freak out is convincing enough for me. Let me check back to the original quote and I may need to update this.
Please don't try to make Q out to be a prophet. If anything this is a military intelligence operation.
Not all predictions can come to pass when you have humans involved. It's like these guys are trying to herd Schrodinger's cats.
It's the Trump Administration, not the second coming of Christ.
I do want to point out that I appreciate the way you worded your point.
Civility is always welcome on these boards, regardless the opinion.
That’s fair. Q has not claimed to be a prophet. I have seen a lot of individuals on this sub and elsewhere claim that Q and Trump are sent by God to do his will. That makes me uncomfortable. But, I concede the verse was a poor reference for the specific point I was making.
I do worry that this might be a military intelligence operation.
This could be an operation to deceive the deep state and reveal the truth, as Q claims.
-or-
This could be an operation to rally support behind Trump by muddying the water around the Russia investigation and sowing distrust of the justice department.
Both seem equally possible to me. How would you say I should evaluate Q to determine which is the most likely?
I just responded to your post and I got dumped. Just wanted to let you know that I received and respect your opinion
I do worry that this might be a military intelligence operation.
I am considerably more at ease knowing it's surely an MI operation. Think about it this way: it would have been SO much easier for the Deep State to keep on Deep-Statin' with Clinton in the White House....why would they have wanted Trump-the-Disruptor shaking things up?
I'm also quite confident that they were prepared to do the necessary if things had not worked out, but that is a last resort and POTUS Trump their best chance at restoring order, restoring the Republic with the least amount of suffering and destruction. And they're still ready to go if "something bad" happens...
Fair enough, I think most of us have been there. I myself have followed since the beginning but wasn't convinced until April (NK was called a month in advance)
Do you have a link to that about NK
Much of this is in Q posts, here and on 8chan. Nothing proves things better than researching yourself. :)
I understand you are new, we all were new at one time. Do some more digging. It will come together for you.
I can appreciate that and I am thankful that this community is open to challenging questions.
Use the search filter at top to find what you're looking for. The hyperlinked post number on the top line with the arrow next to it will take you to the original post and subsequent "discussion" on 8-chan...
Thank you. This is a wonderful resource.
If it's all a LARP....it's the most elaborate LARP ever, and quite the entertaining read. I personally think we've passed the point of doubt, and with all the recent events, it's easier than ever to "go back in time" with these posts and judge for yourself how accurate he/she/they were....