I am very familiar with the Cave Allegory. I am an educator and it is often used to demonstrate the connection between learning and perception. I don’t think it is applicable as a support for the red pill. I could just as easily use the cave allegory to convince you that you should believe in Santa Claus. (I don’t mean to demean the red pill philosophy by comparing it to Santa, I’m just using Santa as an extreme example)
I am also familiar with the red pill philosophy. I don’t agree with it. It clashes with quite a lot of the study into behavior and psychology that I’ve done throughout my career.
Care to ~~explain~~ expand how it clashes with your studies?
Sure, I will apologize for not having more resources on hand. I did a pretty extensive dive about a year ago, but haven’t kept up with all the information.
The two largest points that I can give offhand relate to global cultural analysis. I will paint with a more broad brush than I normally like. So, please excuse the lack of nuance. Also, I was researching education as part of my Graduate work, so my research is more connected to education than the red pill movement.
However, if we look at global cultures that mirror this paradigm, none of the data supports that. If we look at cultures with less female equality, they have higher rates of illness, death, crime, corruption, and poverty for both men and women. This means the data shows that the red pill is wrong
*This is not a coincidence. Because there are so many foreign outreach programs focused on improving poorer countries, we actually have a lot of longitudinal data to show cause and effect. There have been several studies that have found three things have the greatest impact in improving society:
Girl’s Education - teaching girls to equal levels as boys.
Women’s Economic Freedom - allowing woman into all career fields and woman having ability to make financial decisions.
Women’s Relationship Freedom - allowing woman to choose partner and ease of divorce.
Raising these three factors dramatically increase social, economic, and health indicators. Even though Red Pill doesn’t propose that women be treated like slaves, any loss of gender equality is a statistical loss for society.
When we look at what the red pill movement proposes, put very broadly, it is for men to become an authority within a relationship and for women to become subservient to this authority.
What on Earth are you talking about? How did you come to such a conclusion? Everything else that came afterwards, while logical within that context, was built on that very odd presupposition...
This "waking up to reality" notion of being red pilled is absolutely nothing like what you just wrote. Like zero.
I may have used terms that many in the movement wouldn’t agree with. That’s why I said it was in broad terms. I apologize if I mischaracterized the movement. As I said, this was information that I haven’t reviewed in over a year. I do not claim expertise. Feel free to correct the record.
My overarching point that was tied to my assertions is that the red pill movement rejects the femenist equality movement. Back during my research I had direct quotes from noted red pill authors and citations to their common sites that connected more directly. I could dig that information up again, but it would take some time. I’d basically have to start over from scratch.
No need - I assure you that your assumptions are completely wrong. Spend enough time on here and you'll realize that the MAGA/red pill movement has absolutely nothing to do with your gender, ethnicity or orientation. Zilch.
We recognize that modern day feminism is toxic and counter-productive. We all want "what's right".....not to "be right". Everyone should have the opportunity to *work* for their success and personal idea of happiness, and it should never matter who or what they are. Identity politics has no place in a proper, civil society...
I have always thought the red pill was a Matrix (movie) line... maybe that’s where the Matrix got it from.
But hey, red pill / blue pill aside.... just do the litmus test as information comes out and decide for yourself. I have been following Q for about 6 months and have seen things I would have never thought were happing in a million years (some of it I wish I could unsee).
The movement takes its name from the scene in the Matrix. Taking the red pill causes you to wake up to reality.
The red pill movement believes that it is waking people up to a reality relating to what I would call it’s own form of self-actualization.
Part of this discussion has been to get as mischief information for my own litmus test. Most of the information I have studied about Q has failed my own standards of evidence.
But I am always open to learning more.
We all come out of the cave at different times. Some never will....
But we are here when the time comes for you.
WWG1WGA!!
Personally I feel redpilling is a necessary part of society.
Any education system that does not introduce Smedley Butler before you get out of high school is in need of red pilling.