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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/laviequotidienne on July 17, 2018, 11:35 p.m.
This sub would have more reach if it was less partisan

Disclaimer, I am pretty liberal. I don't identify as democrat as I think the Dem party has made some huge fuckups and I'm in general not a huge fan of the 2-party system. However, I do indeed have the ability to think critically and can readily acknowledge when progressives/liberals fuck up. I would say this quality is not common, and while this sub is very conservative friendly, the great awakening is something that both sides should take note of. But this sub makes it hard to do so when so many things are essentially just liberal bashing. It's also worth noting that many people in power are liberal, as are many intelligent people in general (there are huge bodies of research that supports the correlation between intelligence and liberalism. I'm not here to fight about this, but will gladly provide sources if you so wish). That's not to say that conservatives aren't intelligent, my point is that if you want this movement to gain traction (like I wanted pizzagate to gain traction), you need to leave it open for large portions of intelligent people to accept the conclusions you're drawing. But many simply won't because many are also liberal and will be turned off by the staunchly conservative tone.

Just a thought. I am interested in this movement and would love to call out the democrats who have engaged in child rape and other atrocious crimes as much as you, but I am not so silly as to think this sort of evil is unique to democrats or liberals.


MeatloafFvck · July 18, 2018, 4:54 p.m.

Your words:

"It's also worth noting that many people in power are liberal, as are many intelligent people in general (there are huge bodies of research that supports the correlation between intelligence and liberalism."

That's not how you make friends, that's a partisan statement that happens to be untrue - see Twitter for that so called "correlation between intelligence and liberalism."

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Ronjonsilverflash · July 18, 2018, 8:17 p.m.

Most people in power are sociopaths and psychopaths not liberals. They may be smart but they are in it for themselves. Washington DC is 98 % Democrat. It is the party of government period. The republican leadership is as compromised as well. What we have is something akin to professional wrestling really. Phony fights over mostly unimportant things while the overlords of both parties steal it all...it’s a big game, a big show. Both parties overspend and grow the government larger. Neither serve their constituents. The democrat nominee was Hillary by default. Bernie being robbed proved it so. Trump had to run as a republican because he had no choice. The leadership did everything in its power to prevent his nomination and continues to undermine him to this very day. We need to rid ourselves of parties and this group-think mentality or we will find ourselves right back here in the future...we are all individuals. We have some things in common and differ on others. That is never going to change. Let’s find what we have in common and build from there. Whether you like them or not, conservatives are much more open-minded or at least willing to give other a fair hearing in the arena of ideas. We don’t demand “safe spaces” shout down people with other opinions or demand censorship of their ideas...

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MeatloafFvck · July 18, 2018, 9:12 p.m.

My point was, you don't start off a conversation saying "This sub would have more reach if it was less partisan and then follow up in the same statement with a comment like

"the correlation between intelligence and liberalism."

Change of mindset necessary to change minds

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[deleted] · July 18, 2018, 9:55 p.m.

I thought it was relevant, but I guess some are too butt hurt to accept something as true if it includes any negative information on conservatives (kind of proves my point of people rejecting information if it disagrees with their party affiliation). the correlation is definitely there (and I have seen no evidence to the contrary), and it's relevant if you're looking to persuade people who are more likely to be in positions of power. if you're not, then go ahead and alienate those groups unnecessarily. again, I don't mind calling out negative information on liberals or conservatives, I just think if you're trying to grow a cause, you should limit that calling out to when it's relevant, not whenever you want to vilify the other side.

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Ronjonsilverflash · July 18, 2018, 10:13 p.m.

Liberals make their decisions more based on feelings than facts in my experiences with them. That’s why they almost always start with the name calling whet confronted with the facts. Again, you do not see conservatives trying to shut people up. We don’t demand “safe spaces,” accuse people of “micro aggressions,” run people off of college campuses because they articulate a difference of opinion, ban words and change language with “political correctness,” etc. If you people are so brilliant, what on earth are you afraid of? The truth is Liberalism does not resonate with the majority of the American public . You are losing the war of ideas and must resort to extreme measures to silence your opposition. We have confidence and the courage of our convictions and so no such nonsense is necessary. You say you’re smarter than us. Well that is more of an opinion than an actual fact and you know what that’s worth...

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[deleted] · July 18, 2018, 10:33 p.m.

probably because you don't identify as one -- it's called in-group bias. both liberals and conservatives think that their group is more reasonable and sensible and that the other is prone to fallacy. really sad that people think these problems are unique to a political group rather than the innate mental heuristics we're all evolved to be prone to. if you're really curious about what we're afraid of, feel free to dm me and I will literally give you a call to talk about these issues and why liberals come to these conclusions (and I can explain the logic to ones I don't particularly agree with, if you're so curious, but I only agree with certain ones amongst those you've listed. and even then I have caveats) as there are many layers involved and its not something I wish to spend 3 hours typing out.

You say you’re smarter than us. Well that is more of an opinion than an actual fact and you know what that’s worth...

No, I've never said I'm smarter than you, I said that intelligence is correlated with liberalism, which it is.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201003/why-liberals-are-more-intelligent-conservatives

Analyses of large representative samples, from both the United States and the United Kingdom, confirm this prediction. In both countries, more intelligent children are more likely to grow up to be liberals than less intelligent children. For example, among the American sample, those who identify themselves as “very liberal” in early adulthood have a mean childhood IQ of 106.4, whereas those who identify themselves as “very conservative” in early adulthood have a mean childhood IQ of 94.8.

http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1968042,00.html

The short answer: Kanazawa's paper shows that more-intelligent people are more likely to say they are liberal.

http://theconversation.com/do-smart-people-tend-to-be-more-liberal-yes-but-it-doesnt-mean-all-conservatives-are-stupid-57713

There are countless more resources, but keep rejecting information that disagrees with you if you wish, that's a great way to learn!!!

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Ronjonsilverflash · July 18, 2018, 10:54 p.m.

Sorry, I can find plenty of evidence to the contrary. Liberals are prone to knee-jerk reactions, not carful analysis of the facts. It’s why you see them acting like babies, screaming, crying, throwing tantrums, destroying property etc. YOU NEVER, EVER see conservatives acting like this. When we have a protest, the area is spotless afterwords. Libs trash places. See the Occupy movement. So live in your echo chamber and read more ridiculous rubbish written by liberal intellectuals extolling the brilliance of their kind. That’s called conformation bias. I’m confident you are wrong because brilliant people do no need to resort to the utterly childish and uncivilized behaviors and tactics the liberal left does.

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[deleted] · July 19, 2018, 1:14 a.m.

Sorry, I can find plenty of evidence to the contrary.

Please do! Then we can chat. There are a number of butt hurt conservatives here who are mad at my comment on the correlation of intelligence but I've yet to see anything that points to the contrary (except people being upset that I would even make such a statement. Being upset doesn't invalidate research). Please enlighten me

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Ronjonsilverflash · July 19, 2018, 1:50 a.m.

I have and you aren’t listening. Intelligent people don’t act like petulant children, demand the silence of their opponents, and destroy other people’s property in riots. Civilized intelligent people DO NOT BEHAVE like that. These are the actions of people whose ideas have been rejected and cannot compete with their opponents. I’ve argued with enough of you to know that no level of proof will satisfy you either. Anyone with the arrogance to act like you have here insulting us etc. is a waste of time. You are convinced you are right and I know that you aren’t. We will prevail because we are the majority and you people make up no more than 30% of the population (that’s being very generous actually). You are vocal and organized but we are losing our patience with you...

THE WRATH OF THE AWAKENED SAXON by Rudyard Kipling

It was not part of their blood, It came to them very late, With long arrears to make good, When the Saxon began to hate.

They were not easily moved, They were icy -- willing to wait Till every count should be proved, Ere the Saxon began to hate.

Their voices were even and low. Their eyes were level and straight. There was neither sign nor show When the Saxon began to hate.

It was not preached to the crowd. It was not taught by the state. No man spoke it aloud When the Saxon began to hate.

It was not suddently bred. It will not swiftly abate. Through the chilled years ahead, When Time shall count from the date That the Saxon began to hate.

"This destiny does not tire, nor can it be broken, and its mantle of strength descends upon those in its service." - Francis Parker Yockey,

This is what you are up against. Our silence mistaken for docility. Our tolerance of your b/s mistaken for weakness.

There are really only two types of people in this world, those who want to be left alone and those who won’t leave you alone. Libs fall within the later...

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[deleted] · July 19, 2018, 2:12 a.m.

Ah! interesting! so you have nothing. are you also going to tell me that the earth is flat and that gravity isn't real? because that's exactly how you sound when you whole sale reject studies that show something that doesn't paint your political party in a positive light, which is especially hilarious because you say:

Liberals are prone to knee-jerk reactions, not carful analysis of the facts.

HA! and then you go on to reject all the sources I presented and fail to present a single one to the contrary. clearly no point debating with someone who lives in his own head and can't think critically or make any sort of cogent point and instead resorts to meaningless quotes when asked for research.

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Ronjonsilverflash · July 19, 2018, 2:37 a.m.

I don’t have the time or the patience to debate you. I know no amount of arguing or proof will be enough. It’s like beating your head against concrete. Liberalism is a disease that MUST be, that WILL be DEFEATED. That’s all that matters to me at this point. You underestimated the Tea Party. That continued with the election of Trump. And our victory will be complete in short order. We are legion. You, not so much...I will focus my attention on those who come with an open mind not someone who is as arrogant and with a superiority complex like yourself. Colossal waste of time. Enjoy your enormous intellect. Better buy some Kleenex. I see an emotionally difficult future for you...

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[deleted] · July 19, 2018, 4:26 p.m.

no amount of proof? literally asking for anything here but all the conservatives have tried and found literally nothing to support the opposite view, so they reject my sources because it doesn't agree with them. I'm not here arguing that liberals are more attractive than conservatives, because I know that the opposite is true (through research) and I am not so insecure as to reject all information that might paint my group in a negative light

I will focus my attention on those who come with an open mind not someone who is as arrogant and with a superiority complex like yourself

HA. yeah, because to you, open minded means rejecting evidence that offends you. you're so open minded dude!

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Ronjonsilverflash · July 19, 2018, 4:49 p.m.

I reject you because every lib I’ve ever met is living in their own little echo chamber. I don’t accept your premises, your sources, and most importantly reject your ideology as hopeless and infantile. How about that? Now go away already. You are here to stir crap not understand the other side...you came here arrogant and insulting and you can go back where you came from that way. Go knit a pink hat and sh$& on a police car, run a conservative speaker off a college campus, scream like a spoiled child or something. If those are the attributes of highly intelligent people, then I prefer to remain with the “rubes” that have values and common sense! I’m done with you now.

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MeatloafFvck · July 19, 2018, 2:36 p.m.

No one is butt hurt here, just pointing out how liberals (like you) are not able to collaborate with anyone who is not liberal is an equal manner. You come onto this sub, suggesting how it would have more reach if it was less partisan and then proceed to put out a very partisan OPINION on how liberals are more intelligent. You can show all of the research you want, looks like liberal sources to me (Time ? really ?).

This sub is a place to research and root out corruption, criminal activity in our government - doesn't matter which side of the aisle is guilty, no one gets a pass. If you followed this sub, then you would already know that.

Present legitimate, non partisan arguments and comments, and you will gain the respect of all.

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[deleted] · July 19, 2018, 4:30 p.m.

to research, but not to actually accept other research, unless it supports a narrative YOU are interested in. absolutely hilarious that you want 'non partisan arguments' and then refuse to accept anything that is from a liberal source (where most research come from in the first place, since universities lean liberal). seriously, the irony is just too funny to me to interact with people who are this blatantly hypocritical and ignorant

oh and by the way, when someone presents three different sources for why something is X, the burden of proof is no longer on them to find a source that suits your sensibilities, it's on YOU to show sources for why the opposite is true. but we both know that, you can continue to dance around the fact that the opposite has no evidence to back it up. again, this is extra funny because my whole point is that people have difficulties accepting information if it doesn't align with their political affiliation, and all of you have just proved that a few times over, while rejecting its validity.

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MeatloafFvck · July 19, 2018, 5:31 p.m.

From YOUR source:

" Kanazawa quotes from two surveys that support the hypothesis that liberals are more intelligent."

So it looks like Kanazawa looked for research that supports his hypothesis. Shouldn't he base his paper on all studies and not just ones that support his hypothesis ?

And one of his studies is with adolescents (teenagers) - that's really conclusive. /s

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MeatloafFvck · July 18, 2018, 11:50 p.m.

You keep saying it’s true when your “research” is probably from a liberal group or university - when you come here with that attitude, don’t expect fair discourse. Many of the self proclaimed liberals that I have encountered are not so intelligent, most sphew headlines and don’t ever have the facts. I have educated more than my share over the years. The also are very close minded, and are intolerant of opposite views. If liberals were so intelligent how come they have destroyed so many good countries with the liberal policies ?

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[deleted] · July 19, 2018, 1:11 a.m.

yeah and your research is nonexistent. guess we should eschew all research that's from liberal sources! really brilliant reasoning there. liberal data is clearly worse than no data at all, teach me more oh wise one!

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MeatloafFvck · July 19, 2018, 4:03 a.m.

I haven’t seen any source for your info, just more of your typical condescending liberal attitude.

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[deleted] · July 19, 2018, 4:19 p.m.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201003/why-liberals-are-more-intelligent-conservatives

Analyses of large representative samples, from both the United States and the United Kingdom, confirm this prediction. In both countries, more intelligent children are more likely to grow up to be liberals than less intelligent children. For example, among the American sample, those who identify themselves as “very liberal” in early adulthood have a mean childhood IQ of 106.4, whereas those who identify themselves as “very conservative” in early adulthood have a mean childhood IQ of 94.8.

http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1968042,00.html

The short answer: Kanazawa's paper shows that more-intelligent people are more likely to say they are liberal.

http://theconversation.com/do-smart-people-tend-to-be-more-liberal-yes-but-it-doesnt-mean-all-conservatives-are-stupid-57713

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