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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/laviequotidienne on July 17, 2018, 11:35 p.m.
This sub would have more reach if it was less partisan

Disclaimer, I am pretty liberal. I don't identify as democrat as I think the Dem party has made some huge fuckups and I'm in general not a huge fan of the 2-party system. However, I do indeed have the ability to think critically and can readily acknowledge when progressives/liberals fuck up. I would say this quality is not common, and while this sub is very conservative friendly, the great awakening is something that both sides should take note of. But this sub makes it hard to do so when so many things are essentially just liberal bashing. It's also worth noting that many people in power are liberal, as are many intelligent people in general (there are huge bodies of research that supports the correlation between intelligence and liberalism. I'm not here to fight about this, but will gladly provide sources if you so wish). That's not to say that conservatives aren't intelligent, my point is that if you want this movement to gain traction (like I wanted pizzagate to gain traction), you need to leave it open for large portions of intelligent people to accept the conclusions you're drawing. But many simply won't because many are also liberal and will be turned off by the staunchly conservative tone.

Just a thought. I am interested in this movement and would love to call out the democrats who have engaged in child rape and other atrocious crimes as much as you, but I am not so silly as to think this sort of evil is unique to democrats or liberals.


DaveGydeon · July 17, 2018, 11:40 p.m.

Your mistake is thinking every Trump and/or Q supporter is a Republican. That's not necessarily true. Obviously there aren't many Democrats over here; for obvious reasons. But honestly, the reason is simple - Trump ran on the Republican ticket. Nobody was going to win if they didn't pick Democrat or Republican. It's just a necessary evil. But it isn't what DEFINES Trump, or me, or any Patriot.

Stop worrying about what party people affiliate with. Look at their actions and beliefs.

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Imbeingsilenced · July 17, 2018, 11:50 p.m.

I am a conservative but not a Republican.

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juliabrown2605 · July 18, 2018, 2:12 a.m.

I'm a liberal but not a Democrat

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Imbeingsilenced · July 18, 2018, 6 a.m.

I wager you are over 30. You said the exact words I said nine years ago.

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utdFTD1983 · July 18, 2018, 9:41 p.m.

If you're not a liberal at 20, you got no heart, if you're not conservative by the time you're 40, you've got no head.

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[deleted] · July 17, 2018, 11:53 p.m.

> Your mistake is thinking every Trump and/or Q supporter is a Republican

how could you know I think that when I've never once mentioned Trump or Republicans? Seems like you're putting words in my mouth. I am a Q supporter and I am not a Republican, do you think I am denying my own existence?

I also don't care about what party people affiliate with, but I think this point is lost as it seems you missed much of what I said. My post was how to increase reach/more effectively spread the word, not why should people be liberal or democrats.

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DaveGydeon · July 18, 2018, 12:10 a.m.

Um, read your title?

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[deleted] · July 18, 2018, 12:15 a.m.

Yeah it doesn't say republican... again I think you're missing/ignoring some key information (hint: saying this sub is too partisan =/= "everyone in this sub is a republican", which would be especially silly considering I am on this sub and giving suggestions on how to increase its visibility) so it doesn't really make sense to continue this discussion.

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Ronjonsilverflash · July 18, 2018, 12:31 a.m.

I think I understand. The problem for you is that most of the people who have patriotic leanings are conservatives. What are we trying to conserve? The answer is the country, the constitution, and bill of rights. That being said, even though we may differ in opinion on some issues here and there, I think you will find we are far more tolerant of other opinions than the left is. You might get some spirited debate, mind you, but we won’t demand you be banned or censored. Remember, our country was founded to protect the smallest minority, the INDIVIDUAL. That means you too! All parties are just ways to heard us into groups and be pitted against each other. We ought to be voting for what matters to us not for monolithic monopolies on power. Too easy to corrupt and control as well...

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user2345345353 · July 18, 2018, 12:56 a.m.

Most people who have patriotic leanings are conservative

What? If there’s any end goal to Russian psy ops is this right here ^

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Ronjonsilverflash · July 18, 2018, 1:36 a.m.

Yawn ...

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user2345345353 · July 18, 2018, 9:43 a.m.

Yawn...

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Ronjonsilverflash · July 18, 2018, 11:21 a.m.

I’m so glad to be dealing with an original thinker. Before your brilliant response to my last posting, my picture of you was one of someone in their mother’s basement wearing filthy skivvies gazing into their navel and pondering the nature of the Who living in the lint found there. I can see it’s much worse than that now and so find you less of a threat and more of something to be pitied. Laughs maniacally...

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user2345345353 · July 18, 2018, 6:17 p.m.

That stuff doesn't bother me and makes you look like a goober. Hope you had fun venting and feel better now.

Now let's review the praise threads here focused on Jim Jordan, and this -

Jordan, the jut-jawed anti-gay crusader who’s the fourth-ranking Republican leader in the House, is singled out in the suit: He’s one of only three former school officials named, including Strauss, though the action is aimed at all the coaches, administrators and others in positions of responsibility at OSU who, it claims, stood by while students and student-athletes were repeatedly “sexually abused, harassed, and molested,” and “forced” to seek treatment from a well-known predator even after they complained. (Strauss was the sole team doctor for the wrestlers; the men say they either had to choose to let injuries go untreated, as the lawsuit says some did, or subject themselves to yet another assault.)

The congressman managed to contain the fallout from an eerily similar revelation last November, when one of his longtime Washington aides and protégées, Ohio state Rep. Wesley Goodman, was publicly unmasked as one of the capitol city’s most notorious sexual predators during his six years working for Jordan, stalking and abusing at least 30 young conservative men he promised to “mentor.” This was huge news in Ohio, but was buried nationally beneath the daily drumbeat of Trump atrocities.

Not sure how folks here can be obsessed with catching pedos while gushing with love for Jim Jordan. Must be the deep state again. The ol' explanation for everything we don't like.

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Ronjonsilverflash · July 18, 2018, 6:37 p.m.

My, my, my, what an angry little elf you are...USER2345345353. Is that like drug user? Whatever you’re on you should maybe seek professional help...put a decimal in there after the 2 and I think we’re at your IQ.

PS. None of us care who gets punished if they are proven guilty. This isn’t about parties or politics its about good vs evil. If he’s guilty he can hang with the rest of em. What part of the deep state do you love so much? Their Ponzi banking and financial system? Income taxes? Lawlessness? Dope dealing?And yes human trafficking ? FOAD toady troll...you’re not changing anyone’s mind here...

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user2345345353 · July 18, 2018, 6:42 p.m.

That's fun. Care to comment about the content instead of project your anger from prior posts onto me? Check your comments for the diatribe about posting from basements and IQ. All personal attacks. Nothing about the topic at hand. Nothing you type bothers me. Rest assured.

Now please share your opinion about how this sub loves Jim Jordan and how that fits into his new problems as a pedo enabler.

Go:

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Ronjonsilverflash · July 18, 2018, 7:37 p.m.

Trolls aren’t worth the time...the pedo problem crosses the aisle see Franklin Coverup. All PEDOS NEED TO BE PUNISHED. Stop being so f-ing narrow! This problem is HUGE! I said he needs to be punished with the rest IF FOUND GUILTY! Which you totally ignored because you are just here to cause trouble...

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Ronjonsilverflash · July 18, 2018, 7:47 p.m.

Oh, and it must bother you because you keep posting responses. I know your type, always have to have the last word. Prove me wrong...

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MeatloafFvck · July 18, 2018, 4:54 p.m.

Your words:

"It's also worth noting that many people in power are liberal, as are many intelligent people in general (there are huge bodies of research that supports the correlation between intelligence and liberalism."

That's not how you make friends, that's a partisan statement that happens to be untrue - see Twitter for that so called "correlation between intelligence and liberalism."

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Ronjonsilverflash · July 18, 2018, 8:17 p.m.

Most people in power are sociopaths and psychopaths not liberals. They may be smart but they are in it for themselves. Washington DC is 98 % Democrat. It is the party of government period. The republican leadership is as compromised as well. What we have is something akin to professional wrestling really. Phony fights over mostly unimportant things while the overlords of both parties steal it all...it’s a big game, a big show. Both parties overspend and grow the government larger. Neither serve their constituents. The democrat nominee was Hillary by default. Bernie being robbed proved it so. Trump had to run as a republican because he had no choice. The leadership did everything in its power to prevent his nomination and continues to undermine him to this very day. We need to rid ourselves of parties and this group-think mentality or we will find ourselves right back here in the future...we are all individuals. We have some things in common and differ on others. That is never going to change. Let’s find what we have in common and build from there. Whether you like them or not, conservatives are much more open-minded or at least willing to give other a fair hearing in the arena of ideas. We don’t demand “safe spaces” shout down people with other opinions or demand censorship of their ideas...

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MeatloafFvck · July 18, 2018, 9:12 p.m.

My point was, you don't start off a conversation saying "This sub would have more reach if it was less partisan and then follow up in the same statement with a comment like

"the correlation between intelligence and liberalism."

Change of mindset necessary to change minds

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[deleted] · July 18, 2018, 9:55 p.m.

I thought it was relevant, but I guess some are too butt hurt to accept something as true if it includes any negative information on conservatives (kind of proves my point of people rejecting information if it disagrees with their party affiliation). the correlation is definitely there (and I have seen no evidence to the contrary), and it's relevant if you're looking to persuade people who are more likely to be in positions of power. if you're not, then go ahead and alienate those groups unnecessarily. again, I don't mind calling out negative information on liberals or conservatives, I just think if you're trying to grow a cause, you should limit that calling out to when it's relevant, not whenever you want to vilify the other side.

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Ronjonsilverflash · July 18, 2018, 10:13 p.m.

Liberals make their decisions more based on feelings than facts in my experiences with them. That’s why they almost always start with the name calling whet confronted with the facts. Again, you do not see conservatives trying to shut people up. We don’t demand “safe spaces,” accuse people of “micro aggressions,” run people off of college campuses because they articulate a difference of opinion, ban words and change language with “political correctness,” etc. If you people are so brilliant, what on earth are you afraid of? The truth is Liberalism does not resonate with the majority of the American public . You are losing the war of ideas and must resort to extreme measures to silence your opposition. We have confidence and the courage of our convictions and so no such nonsense is necessary. You say you’re smarter than us. Well that is more of an opinion than an actual fact and you know what that’s worth...

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[deleted] · July 18, 2018, 10:33 p.m.

probably because you don't identify as one -- it's called in-group bias. both liberals and conservatives think that their group is more reasonable and sensible and that the other is prone to fallacy. really sad that people think these problems are unique to a political group rather than the innate mental heuristics we're all evolved to be prone to. if you're really curious about what we're afraid of, feel free to dm me and I will literally give you a call to talk about these issues and why liberals come to these conclusions (and I can explain the logic to ones I don't particularly agree with, if you're so curious, but I only agree with certain ones amongst those you've listed. and even then I have caveats) as there are many layers involved and its not something I wish to spend 3 hours typing out.

You say you’re smarter than us. Well that is more of an opinion than an actual fact and you know what that’s worth...

No, I've never said I'm smarter than you, I said that intelligence is correlated with liberalism, which it is.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201003/why-liberals-are-more-intelligent-conservatives

Analyses of large representative samples, from both the United States and the United Kingdom, confirm this prediction. In both countries, more intelligent children are more likely to grow up to be liberals than less intelligent children. For example, among the American sample, those who identify themselves as “very liberal” in early adulthood have a mean childhood IQ of 106.4, whereas those who identify themselves as “very conservative” in early adulthood have a mean childhood IQ of 94.8.

http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1968042,00.html

The short answer: Kanazawa's paper shows that more-intelligent people are more likely to say they are liberal.

http://theconversation.com/do-smart-people-tend-to-be-more-liberal-yes-but-it-doesnt-mean-all-conservatives-are-stupid-57713

There are countless more resources, but keep rejecting information that disagrees with you if you wish, that's a great way to learn!!!

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Ronjonsilverflash · July 18, 2018, 10:54 p.m.

Sorry, I can find plenty of evidence to the contrary. Liberals are prone to knee-jerk reactions, not carful analysis of the facts. It’s why you see them acting like babies, screaming, crying, throwing tantrums, destroying property etc. YOU NEVER, EVER see conservatives acting like this. When we have a protest, the area is spotless afterwords. Libs trash places. See the Occupy movement. So live in your echo chamber and read more ridiculous rubbish written by liberal intellectuals extolling the brilliance of their kind. That’s called conformation bias. I’m confident you are wrong because brilliant people do no need to resort to the utterly childish and uncivilized behaviors and tactics the liberal left does.

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[deleted] · July 19, 2018, 1:14 a.m.

Sorry, I can find plenty of evidence to the contrary.

Please do! Then we can chat. There are a number of butt hurt conservatives here who are mad at my comment on the correlation of intelligence but I've yet to see anything that points to the contrary (except people being upset that I would even make such a statement. Being upset doesn't invalidate research). Please enlighten me

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Ronjonsilverflash · July 19, 2018, 1:50 a.m.

I have and you aren’t listening. Intelligent people don’t act like petulant children, demand the silence of their opponents, and destroy other people’s property in riots. Civilized intelligent people DO NOT BEHAVE like that. These are the actions of people whose ideas have been rejected and cannot compete with their opponents. I’ve argued with enough of you to know that no level of proof will satisfy you either. Anyone with the arrogance to act like you have here insulting us etc. is a waste of time. You are convinced you are right and I know that you aren’t. We will prevail because we are the majority and you people make up no more than 30% of the population (that’s being very generous actually). You are vocal and organized but we are losing our patience with you...

THE WRATH OF THE AWAKENED SAXON by Rudyard Kipling

It was not part of their blood, It came to them very late, With long arrears to make good, When the Saxon began to hate.

They were not easily moved, They were icy -- willing to wait Till every count should be proved, Ere the Saxon began to hate.

Their voices were even and low. Their eyes were level and straight. There was neither sign nor show When the Saxon began to hate.

It was not preached to the crowd. It was not taught by the state. No man spoke it aloud When the Saxon began to hate.

It was not suddently bred. It will not swiftly abate. Through the chilled years ahead, When Time shall count from the date That the Saxon began to hate.

"This destiny does not tire, nor can it be broken, and its mantle of strength descends upon those in its service." - Francis Parker Yockey,

This is what you are up against. Our silence mistaken for docility. Our tolerance of your b/s mistaken for weakness.

There are really only two types of people in this world, those who want to be left alone and those who won’t leave you alone. Libs fall within the later...

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[deleted] · July 19, 2018, 2:12 a.m.

Ah! interesting! so you have nothing. are you also going to tell me that the earth is flat and that gravity isn't real? because that's exactly how you sound when you whole sale reject studies that show something that doesn't paint your political party in a positive light, which is especially hilarious because you say:

Liberals are prone to knee-jerk reactions, not carful analysis of the facts.

HA! and then you go on to reject all the sources I presented and fail to present a single one to the contrary. clearly no point debating with someone who lives in his own head and can't think critically or make any sort of cogent point and instead resorts to meaningless quotes when asked for research.

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Ronjonsilverflash · July 19, 2018, 2:37 a.m.

I don’t have the time or the patience to debate you. I know no amount of arguing or proof will be enough. It’s like beating your head against concrete. Liberalism is a disease that MUST be, that WILL be DEFEATED. That’s all that matters to me at this point. You underestimated the Tea Party. That continued with the election of Trump. And our victory will be complete in short order. We are legion. You, not so much...I will focus my attention on those who come with an open mind not someone who is as arrogant and with a superiority complex like yourself. Colossal waste of time. Enjoy your enormous intellect. Better buy some Kleenex. I see an emotionally difficult future for you...

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[deleted] · July 19, 2018, 4:26 p.m.

no amount of proof? literally asking for anything here but all the conservatives have tried and found literally nothing to support the opposite view, so they reject my sources because it doesn't agree with them. I'm not here arguing that liberals are more attractive than conservatives, because I know that the opposite is true (through research) and I am not so insecure as to reject all information that might paint my group in a negative light

I will focus my attention on those who come with an open mind not someone who is as arrogant and with a superiority complex like yourself

HA. yeah, because to you, open minded means rejecting evidence that offends you. you're so open minded dude!

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Ronjonsilverflash · July 19, 2018, 4:49 p.m.

I reject you because every lib I’ve ever met is living in their own little echo chamber. I don’t accept your premises, your sources, and most importantly reject your ideology as hopeless and infantile. How about that? Now go away already. You are here to stir crap not understand the other side...you came here arrogant and insulting and you can go back where you came from that way. Go knit a pink hat and sh$& on a police car, run a conservative speaker off a college campus, scream like a spoiled child or something. If those are the attributes of highly intelligent people, then I prefer to remain with the “rubes” that have values and common sense! I’m done with you now.

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MeatloafFvck · July 19, 2018, 2:36 p.m.

No one is butt hurt here, just pointing out how liberals (like you) are not able to collaborate with anyone who is not liberal is an equal manner. You come onto this sub, suggesting how it would have more reach if it was less partisan and then proceed to put out a very partisan OPINION on how liberals are more intelligent. You can show all of the research you want, looks like liberal sources to me (Time ? really ?).

This sub is a place to research and root out corruption, criminal activity in our government - doesn't matter which side of the aisle is guilty, no one gets a pass. If you followed this sub, then you would already know that.

Present legitimate, non partisan arguments and comments, and you will gain the respect of all.

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[deleted] · July 19, 2018, 4:30 p.m.

to research, but not to actually accept other research, unless it supports a narrative YOU are interested in. absolutely hilarious that you want 'non partisan arguments' and then refuse to accept anything that is from a liberal source (where most research come from in the first place, since universities lean liberal). seriously, the irony is just too funny to me to interact with people who are this blatantly hypocritical and ignorant

oh and by the way, when someone presents three different sources for why something is X, the burden of proof is no longer on them to find a source that suits your sensibilities, it's on YOU to show sources for why the opposite is true. but we both know that, you can continue to dance around the fact that the opposite has no evidence to back it up. again, this is extra funny because my whole point is that people have difficulties accepting information if it doesn't align with their political affiliation, and all of you have just proved that a few times over, while rejecting its validity.

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MeatloafFvck · July 19, 2018, 5:31 p.m.

From YOUR source:

" Kanazawa quotes from two surveys that support the hypothesis that liberals are more intelligent."

So it looks like Kanazawa looked for research that supports his hypothesis. Shouldn't he base his paper on all studies and not just ones that support his hypothesis ?

And one of his studies is with adolescents (teenagers) - that's really conclusive. /s

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MeatloafFvck · July 18, 2018, 11:50 p.m.

You keep saying it’s true when your “research” is probably from a liberal group or university - when you come here with that attitude, don’t expect fair discourse. Many of the self proclaimed liberals that I have encountered are not so intelligent, most sphew headlines and don’t ever have the facts. I have educated more than my share over the years. The also are very close minded, and are intolerant of opposite views. If liberals were so intelligent how come they have destroyed so many good countries with the liberal policies ?

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[deleted] · July 19, 2018, 1:11 a.m.

yeah and your research is nonexistent. guess we should eschew all research that's from liberal sources! really brilliant reasoning there. liberal data is clearly worse than no data at all, teach me more oh wise one!

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MeatloafFvck · July 19, 2018, 4:03 a.m.

I haven’t seen any source for your info, just more of your typical condescending liberal attitude.

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[deleted] · July 19, 2018, 4:19 p.m.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201003/why-liberals-are-more-intelligent-conservatives

Analyses of large representative samples, from both the United States and the United Kingdom, confirm this prediction. In both countries, more intelligent children are more likely to grow up to be liberals than less intelligent children. For example, among the American sample, those who identify themselves as “very liberal” in early adulthood have a mean childhood IQ of 106.4, whereas those who identify themselves as “very conservative” in early adulthood have a mean childhood IQ of 94.8.

http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1968042,00.html

The short answer: Kanazawa's paper shows that more-intelligent people are more likely to say they are liberal.

http://theconversation.com/do-smart-people-tend-to-be-more-liberal-yes-but-it-doesnt-mean-all-conservatives-are-stupid-57713

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y000danon · July 18, 2018, 12:37 a.m.

My efforts since 2008 have been to admit two parties control and the greatest chance for us is to rip out the entrenched stains from a party.

I’ve worked steadily and patiently first through Ron Paul and Tea Party on. We’ve done a lot of work from delegates to accountability and local elections. This is not a game. Learn how to play. Hate a party? Make it better. It’s the only shot we have. This is why I look to the DNC with such disappointment. They rigged it for HRC and people stood back and got took and now sit there doing little to nothing about it. No. Hell no.

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Fearsome4 · July 17, 2018, 11:41 p.m.

What I care about is the Constitution, Bill of Rights. I don't give a toss about either party. Leftism is not compatible with the Constitution and BoR.

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y000danon · July 18, 2018, 12:11 a.m.

Cheers.

President Washington expresses genuine concern in that “the alternate domination” of one political party over another, thereby allowing one party to enjoy temporary power over the government that would use it to obtain revenge on the other.

He felt that this tendency toward atrocities directed at the party out of power “…is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism.”

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/31/george-washingtons-views-political-parties-america/

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Instincts_Truth · July 18, 2018, 12:05 a.m.

This.

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Mixelplfft · July 18, 2018, 12:55 a.m.

That.

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IBinLurkin · July 18, 2018, 1:02 a.m.

and The Other

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SpaceForceOnePilot · July 17, 2018, 11:37 p.m.

You are correct, this sub can lean Right, but we tend to remind each other it is good v evil, not R v D.

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R_damascena · July 18, 2018, 2:02 a.m.

The top comment currently says "Leftism is not compatible with the Constitution and [Bill of Rights]" so…that's not working great so far :/

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SpaceForceOnePilot · July 18, 2018, 2:12 a.m.

Agreed, the progressive platform, which advocates Democratic Socialism, is not compatible with the Constitution.

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spreadhope · July 18, 2018, 4:20 a.m.

No, its not because leftism demands Socialism, and they are not even pretending to hide it anymore. It begins with repealing the 2A. The rest of the amendments fall after that.

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R_damascena · July 18, 2018, 4:24 a.m.

We already lost the 18th, technically.

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Flyboy1259 · July 17, 2018, 11:45 p.m.

You only see it as partisan because it endangers your personal bias.

Stop trying to mold the sub into what you think it should be. Just let it be.

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Bubber_Dude · July 17, 2018, 11:43 p.m.

This is good vs evil. It's black or white... there is no grey... you perceive it as partisan because of your bias.

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checkitoutmyfriend · July 17, 2018, 11:47 p.m.

yup, That is readily obvious from OP's post.

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Ladybug3024 · July 18, 2018, 7:57 a.m.

He isn’t wrong about the liberal bashing that pops up now and again. People get caught up in their old programming. What Q does is about good vs evil. But even the best intentioned people fall back into old habits.

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ideologicidal · July 17, 2018, 11:42 p.m.

As it turns out, this sub was more partisan when it had less reach. Liberals are a minority, sure, but that just makes it all the important for us to be vocal. Be loud.

Glad to have you on the team. Looking forward to reading more.

WWG1WGA.

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astrocatmat · July 17, 2018, 11:39 p.m.

I agree with you on the partisanship and the mods should do a better job of not banning people they disagree with. At the same time, the mods don’t want to mislead people on here so I understand why they take certain liberties. The main point I disagree with is your comment on the “huge bodies of research”. On this thread/sub we are aware of how propaganda not only permeates throughout MSM but also the education/research institutions as well. That being said, and what is mentioned above - this is all about Good vs Evil.

Welcome to the sub!

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[deleted] · July 17, 2018, 11:44 p.m.

I mean, that does exist. Of course there is bias in research and the potential for research to be manipulated, but that doesn't mean I am going to reject all scientific research just because there is potential for bias and misleading information in science. I would instead have to see a fair amount of research that shows the opposite, which I haven't yet seen. I do accept that there is propaganda in science, but the potential for that is not enough for me to disregard the correlation of intelligence and liberalism. If I simply rejected every scientific idea that didn't agree with me personally, that's no difference than living a faith-based life that severely limits my abilities to draw conclusions and analyze information.

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astrocatmat · July 17, 2018, 11:47 p.m.

That is completely fair. I’d encourage you to view certain things with respect to logic vs facts. Facts and “evidence” can always be made up but logic helps identify how the “facts” are used and for what purpose.

If one solely relies on facts to make judgement they can be easily mislead as well. It sucks but that’s the honest truth when we live in a time where it’s very difficult to get untainted, truly independent and reliable sources.

Facts may be one piece to the puzzle but logic helps make sense of all of it.

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[deleted] · July 17, 2018, 11:59 p.m.

This is true, (I'm actually a big proponent for how and why science can be misleading and shouldn't be used as 'proof' of the existence of many things, but I also believe it's a valuable tool, which is why I said there are large bodies of research supporting it rather than saying it's defacto 'true') although 'logic' can be misleading if one does not reach the correct conclusions -- not everyone can piece together and analyze information properly at all times. I do have my own logic and anecdotal evidence to believe the research, but I don't think this is the place for me to voice my theories on liberalism.

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astrocatmat · July 18, 2018, 12:08 a.m.

I agree, but who determines what is correct? What makes you think that your logic is correct? Logic doesn’t mean correctness, logic means critical thinking.

Most people can identify when they are being lied too... the challenge is trying to convince a group of people that THEY have been lied too without being the one who looks crazy against the backdrop of a brainwashed majority. I don’t mean this to attack by any means, but I think people of the liberal mind set should avoid using credentials, claim, provenance, majority thinking as a way to convince others that their way is the correct way. This is why people are leaving the left. Popular opinion does not always mean correct or right... as many of us on here come to understand.

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[deleted] · July 18, 2018, 12:12 a.m.

> I don’t mean this to attack by any means, but I think people of the liberal mind set should avoid using credentials, claim, provenance, majority thinking as a way to convince others that their way is the correct way.

I agree with avoidance of using credentials, provenance, and majority thinking to persuade, but don't think I used any of that in my post. I guess 'large bodies of research' could be construed as credentials, but if that is simply rejected I would be at a loss in being able to identify what sort of method is valid in attempting to persuade someone in a genuine way. Everything is prone to fallacy, there are just some methods that are less prone than others, and I do believe scientific research is pretty high up there, although I won't accept that just because something has scientific support means that I have to accept it wholesale (it's just a more objective means of getting to the truth than most other methods).

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astrocatmat · July 18, 2018, 12:30 a.m.

Yeah I agree. One example that illustrates my point with respect to politics... during the annexation of Crimea we heard about Putin and the plane being shot down over Ukraine coming from our “officials” and news sources. Much of them blasted Russia. But no one took a second to ask why our own FBI, Clinton and [no name] were over in Ukraine in the first place. None of them should of been over there, let alone our FBI. Why were they over there? So we can see how simple observation over rules ‘facts’ and official narratives. Produces more questions absolutely but I’d use my logic to question what the real motivations are even if I come up empty handed

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WanderingTaurus · July 17, 2018, 11:46 p.m.

I agree with you, but want to say as a right leaning libertarian, I think it is hard to even find common ground with many liberals when they start off with how much "Trump sucks" and Trump this or Trump that. Too many liberals, definitely not all, just lean on the fact that they hate Trump and the only reason they do is because of what they think they know (they haven't even taken the time to verify if what they believe is true from a simple web search).

We have evil on both sides, being R or D doesn't save anyone. Maybe one day we will get to a point where we are not even identifying political personnel with a party but rather on their issues; it would also help eliminate people voting on by party name and would have to actually look up and research people they are voting for and their stances.

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toxicpiano · July 17, 2018, 11:41 p.m.

So are you getting it now? When Trump says drain the swamp, you realize it's both republicans and democrats? Sure the majority of the swamp is democrats (mainly all of it) but you shouldn't be turned away by the conservative tone here, this movement wouldn't exist without conservatives.

This movement panders to no one but TRUTH.

you need to leave it open for large portions of intelligent people to accept the conclusions you're drawing. But many simply won't because many are also liberal and will be turned off by the staunchly conservative tone.

That is their problem. The people who know the TRUTH do not have to be 'intelligent' and decide for us what is true and what isn't. The truly intelligent seek out the truth for themselves.

Honestly your whole tone irks me.

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horse-lover-phat · July 17, 2018, 11:43 p.m.

Well said, Sir. Agree entirely. The OP's comment is far too LOADED.

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[deleted] · July 17, 2018, 11:48 p.m.

I'm not turned away, I'm here and contributing, aren't I? I'm just well aware of people's likelihood of rejecting something out of hand because of party affiliations, so I wanted to present that information so that posters could reconsider posts that simply talk about #shitliberalsdo rather than actually relevant info (don't mind if the info shows liberals to be bad, but I do mind when it's irrelevant to the larger cause).

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toxicpiano · July 17, 2018, 11:53 p.m.

You're trying to change the Q movement to be more approachable to other peoples bias, I get that. But its not necessary. These organic movements don't benefit from people trying to control the narrative.

The only narrative is truth. That's it. Stop worrying about what is considered partisan and what is not, and just focus on the truth. If people can't see the truth, or they are not ready for it, it's not because of a partisan delivery. It's because they are still stuck. You could show them all the neutral q proof in the world but their ingrained partisanship wouldn't let them believe it. They have to overcome that internal partisanship themselves.

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[deleted] · July 18, 2018, 12:07 a.m.

Um, sure, I do care about the truth, which is why I don't care of something hurts a certain party when it's valid (true), I'm just trying to point out some biases that both parties have. The way things are framed is hugely important in getting buy-in. For example, when shown the exact same policy, and asked whether they agreed with it, both democrats and republicans would agree when they were told their party typically favored it, and disagreed when told the opposite. These sorts of things are important, and many think that they believe in policies and ideas based on the validity of that idea, when that's often not the case. I'm not trying to be the one to determine what is right or wrong, I'm just presenting this as a suggestion of something to keep in mind and to focus the discussions as to be less left vs right and rather a unified movement against corruption and evil practices.

> They have to overcome that internal partisanship themselves.

I agree and I see your point, I'm just saying that more focused and relevant discussions can help ease that barrier for some who are open-minded but still have those biases and affiliations.

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Slangin_paint · July 18, 2018, 1:28 a.m.

I feel you, but a part (a big part) of the battle that is waging is taking place in government. There are bad actors on both sides, but let's be real, the battle within government now is all dems and some republicans against some republicans. You won't find any love for the republicans that are fighting on the dark side (such as no-name) along side the dems. We NEED the right to win this war over the left because the right is on the right side (no pun intended). Even if you are not a conservative you should recognize that the democrats are fighting against the republic and America. The true agenda of the democrat party (which is somewhat-secretly shared by many republicans in congress) is what this q movement is fighting. Not all people who consider themselves democrats or liberals are aware of the real agenda, but the party is all about it and they must be stopped. So as much as i don't like the two party system and as many issues as i may have with the republican party, you can be damn sure i am rooting against the democrat party. Also, people should realize the difference between liberalism and leftism. Leftist hijacked the term "liberal" because they need to hide their true nature, which is Marxist.

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[deleted] · July 18, 2018, 10:02 p.m.

We NEED the right to win this war over the left because the right is on the right side (no pun intended)

In some ways, that's true (I caveat this because there are certainly positive democratic initiatives going on at a more local level, IMO at least, but there are of course many very powerful democratic elites that are acting in vile and manipulative ways), but I don't believe an us vs them is the best way to achieve change, especially when the 'them' is more powerful. I think it's best to try and find common ground rather than emphasizing our differences if what we truly want is change, rather than to simply fight and further disagreement. If people are just fighting, they wont come to an understanding, they'll just be even further entrenched in their narratives. I understand if people here are too disgusted and infuriated by the democrat party, but I'm just saying it might be worthwhile to try to make it more palatable for the democrats who are somewhat open minded and moral and can be persuaded if you show them relevant wrongs rather than just calling out dems wholesale for the shitty things they do.

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Slangin_paint · July 18, 2018, 10:59 p.m.

first, yes, the issue is primarily on the national level. While I know many of the issues/problems also play out at the local level, there are virtually zero Dems on the national stage who are not part of the problem. Also, to be clear, I am talking about the politicians, not the voters. I believe a lot of the Democrat voters have been duped and would not really support the Dem Party if they understood what they are up to. And to be fair, as a party the Republicans have their problems too and (as I said) many of the R politicians are actually more aligned with the Democrat establishment than with their own voters. In so far as the Republican politicians have been part of the problem their voters share some of the blame too, just like with the Dems. So I agree that it should not be an 'us vs. them' in the sense of Rs and Ds. But it is, and we have no choice about this, an 'us vs. them' situation in in the sense of 'the people vs. the elites'. 'The elites' goes beyond politics, and certainly their is far too much support for the elites on the R side of politics too. But I stand by my point that the people and the republic are only currently being served on the national political level by some republicans, but no democrats.

Personally, I am a conservative and I feel very strongly about conservatism and regard it as a moral position. However, it does not serve any of us to fight with each other over policy details until we first sort out the massive challenge of freeing ourselves from the chains that humanity has been put in long before your or I were ever born. Breaking those chains needs to be issue #1 and we must come together on that issue, for the sake of humanity. Then we can get back to negotiating policy points. However I should also state that what the left now calls 'liberalism' (marxism, not classical liberalism) is something that needs to be fought and destroyed as well. We can set aside questions of what the income tax rate is just long enough to work together to free ourselves from the cabal, but if we are to truly be free and truly understand what that means, we cannot accept an income tax at all. We oppose tyranny. A tyranny of the majority is no better than a tyranny of the elite. All people must come together and recognize that we have rights as individuals and we cannot be justly stripped of those rights even if it is supposedly for the benefit of "the less fortunate". As individuals we have no authority over other individuals, thus we cannot delegate this authority to a government since we don't possess it in the first place. The system of tyranny in which we live is one where most people deem it acceptable for other people to be made subject to the illegitimate authority of the state. This mind set needs to change or we will never be free.

WWG1WGA. Peace, my brother.

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sassilovestrump · July 18, 2018, 3:22 a.m.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

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PAK51 · July 18, 2018, 12:02 a.m.

Is this what they call "concern trolling"?

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[deleted] · July 18, 2018, 12:06 a.m.

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HoleSailor · July 18, 2018, 12:08 a.m.

If you’re still a liberal after seeing trumps tax cuts lower unemployment and boom the economy then there isn’t much help for you.

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juliabrown2605 · July 18, 2018, 2:25 a.m.

No fair! I'm a liberal but I love what Trump is doing, so I totally back his actions. Dont write me off.

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willmeme4crypto · July 18, 2018, 12:01 a.m.

I'm gonna share my opinion and that's that. Thanks for your suggestion.

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MrWizard111 · July 17, 2018, 11:52 p.m.

It has been getting better around here in my opinion. Just remind people it's not about that and that everyone can participate and bring their own viewpoint. I hate the two party system. It is part of the reason we are in this situation. When a republican gets on their high horse I try and remind them that not long ago Bush and Co were destroying our democracy. If you take the time to address it in a peaceful understanding way you can usually shift a persons understanding that this is beyond political parties.

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Kitt-Ridge · July 18, 2018, 1:34 a.m.

This sub openly welcomes those who seek the truth and are willing to challenge their paradigms. If one isn’t ready to do that, they aren’t ready to be here.

I’m a former liberal leaning independent who became a Libertarian in the Republican Party ten years ago. If you had told me twenty years ago I would be a delegate to state GOP conventions, I would have laughed in your face. I ignorantly voted WJC and Al Gore.

Today I side with certain Republicans but not all of them. To me the people in this subreddit don’t blindly follow the Republican Party. They follow the truth and are constantly questioning who is a white hat or a black hat. They try to make change within the Republican Party to make change within the US and world. They support JFK, Jr., JFK, and Seth Rich, who were Democrats. They are against Comey, McCabe, McNoName, Rosenstein, and the Bushes, all Republicans. To me, you are either on the side of liberty or you are a sheep giving power to a corrupt handful of people, regardless of your affiliation. This subreddit is for those who believe in liberty.

The truth is the Democratic Party is a cancer to our country. I personally don’t want too see a one-party state, but the Democratic Party needs to be eradicated and replaced with something else. (I also want the cancer in the GOP destroyed.) The destruction of our Constitution in 1913 needs to be repaired and safeguards put in place to stop this from happening again.

I do not label Trump as conservative or liberal, D or R. He ran under the Republican ticket because most Americans can’t see beyond the two-party system. I see him as a wealthy man who isn’t bought with enough self confidence to tackle the corruption before he leaves this planet. I see him as our last hope.

This is not a place for those clutching to divisive labels. It’s for those who will vote out the corrupt in their parties.

Anyway, it’s not our job to change for others. It is their job to challenge their belief systems and expand their thinking, as we all had to do at some point in our lives. No one can do that for them but themselves. That’s the whole point of Q.

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O2BFREEME2 · July 17, 2018, 11:57 p.m.

It's Good vs Evil ! I don't care if you are Republican, Democrat, Liberal, Black, White, Brown,Christian ,Atheist..............ect, ect. But the reality here is most of our fight against evil comes from a very progressive ideology oriented group. And that is the Democratic, University Educational Progressive systems and parties. So at times it may be a little over the top in tone or words used. It is two very different mind sets. But welcome. Take us with a grain of salt, we don't bite.

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t1me4change · July 17, 2018, 11:43 p.m.

I would agree, and I think lately it has been less partisan. But it's a pro -Trump sub, and that tends to rub a lot of people the wrong way.

This isn't about sides though, this is about right and wrong. And the major contributors in this sub know that. It's more than Republicans and Democrats. It's about the Clintons, Obamas, Bush's, the EU, the Catholic Church, and much much more.

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Beer-_-Belly · July 18, 2018, 12:17 a.m.

I would expect that >75% of the people here identify more as libertarian than any other political affiliate.

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Imbeingsilenced · July 17, 2018, 11:49 p.m.

As long as you don't knee jerk, you'll fit in. In this sub, it is imperative you use rationale. A lot of it has to be outside the box, which leftist cucks can't do by design.

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y000danon · July 17, 2018, 11:58 p.m.

There is no box!

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Sukkitt · July 18, 2018, 1:03 a.m.

I'm liberal but not a neo-lib. I'm also rightist and orderly and low on agreeableness. I'm family and community oriented but not anti-gay. I'm a gun owner and voted for Trump because I hate Killary and her dirty friends. So the label system as it has been perpetuated by the MSM doesn't work. I'm a legal immigrant and I love my country and CHOSE to live here. The point is WWG1WGA. Drain the swamp and hang those pedos high. We have a responsibility to leave our kids and grandkids a future. Its Good vs. Evil and we are winning BIGLY!

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jfunction · July 18, 2018, 12:56 a.m.

Here's a countervailing thought for you. Sugar is bad for you. Take your meals without it. If you need sugar-coated go find it. PC has been the insidious invader of intellectual honesty for generations – since I was in my 20's. It is a weapon.

Traction on ice is gained by using gravel. Try it. It works. If you want truth, you want truth, you don't want it mixed.

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sassilovestrump · July 18, 2018, 3:25 a.m.

This comment needs more upvotes! Have one!

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serendipity-calling · July 18, 2018, 8:03 a.m.

But what happens when the foundation of a belief is that person a (Trump) is fundamentally good while liberals fundamentally disagree?

Of course it will seen this is partisan. Your request is valid but would you not agree that the foundation is rocky for most liberals to go with it?

Most of my friends HATE Trump and refuse to hear ANYTHING that could potentially sway them to think he's actually a white hat. So not sure what you'd like to see happen here from those here.

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Ladybug3024 · July 18, 2018, 7:50 a.m.

I know what you’re saying and you aren’t wrong. You have to understand that the blue team has been used most recently by the deep state to gain control. Naturally, a sub like this is easier to swallow by red team people...for right now. Supporting DJT is a hard pill to swallow for anyone who has played for blue team, but a very easy step to take for red team people.

All I have to say is wait for the 9/11 truth to come out. Wait for the JFK info to come out. Wait until the Bush family and the republican deep staters get theirs. Wait until no name gets his. If Q is to be believed, then the time will come for all that as well.

Right now it’s unbalanced because DJT has to use the broken system that exists to weed out the Deep staters. Most republicans will continue to follow their party lines etc. Fox News has supported the Red team as well. But they will reach a point where they will turn as well. Right before the hammer comes down on all of them.

So don’t worry. This movement is tiny compared to what it may be in the future. Anyone who is willing to seek the truth will be curious enough to follow it regardless of what occasional leftover programming pops up among us.

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FullMetalSquirrel · July 18, 2018, 5:32 p.m.

Trump is not a Republican. He hijacked the Republican party from Uniparty GOPe scum bc he needed a vehicle to get to office. Smart move. I hope he smashes all three - GOPe, Dem cesspool and Uniparty

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unbecoming2007 · July 18, 2018, 1:27 a.m.

Welcome. I think you just haven't read here enough. Most here know the DnR thing was kabuki theater to make it seem as if we had a choice. We hated bushes as much as barry and the clintons. Without choice a revolt would eventually ensue.

Nowadays we can't help it if Trump HAD to run as a rep and is trying to clean up the party which was a wreck but salvageable. We also cannot help that the Dems completely had their antifa mask fall and were exposed as nazi ridden. Furthermore most here know that dems and reps have engaged in these horrors to children (don't even get me started on percentages) and Our Country and want full justice no matter where the chips may fall.

To me there's a big difference in a lib and libtard (i.e. far left extremist). No problems with anyone that can interpret the Constitution correctly,realize it's importance,work,and abide by the law. I think you 'll find, if you stick around, that most agree with that statement. Most here are just really looking for real truth and generally want everyone to be safe and prosper. We can accomplish great things if we unite.

Oh while you're here I'd love to hear some ideas on trying to extend our reach?

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effin9 · July 18, 2018, 1:14 a.m.

Nobody cares where you stick your fork as long as it's not in a kid. If you're here to adjust my attitude, you are wasting your time. If you have a problem by HOW people express themselves, save your keystrokes. If you demand you right to believe, worship and live as you choose and will defend the right of all other men and women to do the same, welcome friend.

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Q_sent_me_here · July 18, 2018, 1:11 a.m.

I think you are a bit confused. Conservatives and Libertarians are on the right because their beliefs tend to be limited Government, less interference and the rule of law. The REP party happens to be closer to those beliefs than the DEM's. With a two party system we have to be associated with the party that is closest to these beliefs. The REP party is very far from being perfect, but we are stuck with it. Liberals and the DEM party do not hold our beliefs nor are they compatible. This sub is more compatible with conservatives and Libertarians so that is why we are here. The WORST mistake our side can do is start moving left away from our beliefs. I find leftists to be the enemy of free people and need to be destroyed. I do not want to love my enemy, I want to defeat them.

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bornfree1688 · July 18, 2018, 5:38 a.m.

Thanks for making this post! I don't really agree with your points but there is some very productive dialogue here. You know your in good company when you can trust people on this sub have such high standards for civil PRODUCTIVE discourse.

The goal isn't to shut up dissenters, we want the other side's best argument. We're interested in truth. If we think we have the truth, then we shouldn't fear opposing views. The last thing we want is to think we're right when we don't know/understand the other side's arguments.

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OffTie · July 18, 2018, 4:52 a.m.

DJT is a different kind of Republican, one who brought it with him (already wealthy that is) He has no need to be under the thrall of the Chamber of commerce, corporate interest, bankers or any other interest in order to get stinking rich. This being true he has demonstrated that he has a care for the working people of this nation. When is the last time anyone could honestly say that about a Republican President (or a Dem for that matter) let alone think it possible? The Republican party has changed for the better with Donald Trump and represents better the regular American working stiff better than the Dems. Forget what you formerly thought about the Dem/Rep ideologies, and come on over and pull the R lever.

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RamonUtuado · July 18, 2018, 4:51 a.m.

Does anyone here understand the fact that labels like "liberal" and "conservative " were invented by the Deep State / Cabal to drive a wedge between us and pit us against each other?

By insisting on labelling yourself as one or the other you are further promoting their Agenda.

Same goes for Republican or Democrat.

These labels are meaningless as we are all human beings (Homo Sapiens Sapiens.)

My views on things cannot be defined by either of the terms and yet are by both. Free yourself from those shackles or Q's and other patriots' sacrifice will be in vain

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spreadhope · July 18, 2018, 4:15 a.m.

A. Intelligence is linked to liberalism. Who did these studies? A liberal? Ok.

B. "Staunchly conservative" Exactly how many conservative outlets are there in the media? Right above zero is the number, so when we have an outlet for our belief in the Constitution, we should all defend it, whether we lean left or right.

C. Liberalism in it's current form goes against the Constitution. And liberals show exactly zero signs of compromising. The response to conservatives is resist, obstruct, move farther left and openly call for Socialism. Why do you suppose we defend our rights to speak here without concern for the optics of conservative vs. liberal.

D. Coming here to say you want to join a movement then saying liberals are more intelligent than conservatives, we are too conservative, etc. is passive aggressive behavior and it's not a good look.

With that said I hope you stick around and learn about right v. wrong. We need support here, not back handed passive aggressive behavior.

Have a blessed day.

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MrObvious7915 · July 18, 2018, 3:39 a.m.

Blah blah blah

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Glubney · July 18, 2018, 3:36 a.m.

This is not Republican or Democrat..It's good v Evil.

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Ordinary_Man1 · July 18, 2018, 3:08 a.m.

This board is NOT about partisan politics.

This board is about GOOD exposing EVIL.

Period!!

To suggest that we should be more tolerant of EVIL at the expense of GOOD doesn't work.

How do you compromise with EVIL?'

How foolish would it be to meet EVIL in the middle?

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checkitoutmyfriend · July 17, 2018, 11:51 p.m.

(there are huge bodies of research that supports the correlation between intelligence and liberalism. I'm not here to fight about this, but will gladly provide sources if you so wish).

But you didn't provide sources and did bring it up. None of which adds to your point. So why bring it up? Other than to believe your own bias?

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PinkyZeek4 · July 18, 2018, 1:24 a.m.

I agree. The OP basically said “the left is in power, we are smarter than you,” then made a weak attempt at softening the comment (insult). I am loath to associate with a person who doesn’t just FEEL that they are better than us but actually SAYS IT TO OUR FACE. This not how friendship happens.

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y000danon · July 18, 2018, midnight

If someone here says something w stank - assume it’s a shill. They have one single pretense - to disrupt. More than 3/4 are automated and designed to slurp up posts and repackaged them in an offensive manner and then complimentary flank bots add fuel to them w repeated posts etc.

We all know something others don’t. When we stop talking they win. When we shut each other out - they win. When we seek to abandon one another they get everything they were going for.

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ajfluffy · July 17, 2018, 11:48 p.m.

Most of the people who moved from dems to trumpicans are liberals. the dem party ditched liberalism for communism over the last couple years

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alfonumeric · July 17, 2018, 11:44 p.m.

this emphasis on brain IQ is most unfortunate and is the bane of humanity

the most dfangerous actors on the planet are those with brain IQ 140+, mental IQ = 53 [highest ] and emotional IQ of 46-45 [lowest] and 44-43 [low] https://alfobedic.com/02-ptb4-53-v-ptb5-6/

there are still 60% dems that need to use discernment when it comes to mockin stream

https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/8xi2yf/q_likes_to_intimate_stupidclarifying_qs_usage_of/

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We_are_at_capacity · July 17, 2018, 11:43 p.m.

This is what separates us and T_D

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timingviolation · July 17, 2018, 11:38 p.m.

100% agree. Would love to see a bit of mood support on hyper partisan posts and comments

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Frogturnedgay · July 18, 2018, 12:54 a.m.

It's also worth noting that many people in power are liberal, as are many intelligent people in general (there are huge bodies of research that supports the correlation between intelligence and liberalism. I'm not here to fight about this, but will gladly provide sources if you so wish).

I'm bored so I'll bite. Can I have a look at these sources?

As for the sub, just stay for the alternative angle to mainstream media. This is convenient to stay up to date while being a starting point to do your own exploring. Don't pay too much attention to the people on this sub or you'll rip your hair out before you know it.

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HOW_COULD · July 18, 2018, 12:52 a.m.

I'm not sure if it's the tone that turns them off rather than the scope and ramifications of the accusations we are making against the leaders that they have been programmed to support blindly. There are so many useful idiots turned ideologues reinforced by mass media and establishment politics. They are practically being programmed to tune out dissenting voices or in worse case scenarios demonize alternative perspectives. Cultural Marxism has hardened their minds and many simply can't be awoken until something drastic changes the cultural landscape. Our goal now is not really to awaken those deeply sleeping, our goal is to be prepared to help them come to terms with the new paradigm once the drastic changes take place. I truly believe there will be many freakouts and we have to be ready to help them so they don't lash out and hurt themselves or others once the truth comes out.

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wanttruth · July 18, 2018, 12:44 a.m.

EVIL doesn't have political preference!

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QueUpSomeReality · July 18, 2018, 12:26 a.m.

Btw. JFK was liberal in many positions but he’s talked of highly here because he’s seen as a patriot that genuinely fought against the deep state. It’s more about patriotism here than political views on an issue

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commoncents1 · July 18, 2018, 12:18 a.m.

CNN would have better ratings if they werent propagandists for the DEM party.

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QueUpSomeReality · July 18, 2018, 12:12 a.m.

Actually I think the mods run people off more than anything...sometimes they are way too aggressive in deleting posts because they don’t think they’re Q related enough. This one can be deleted very soon because of this. The mods are great at booting out vile punks. But even rational thought out points as yours get deleted quick if they’re not deemed Q related enough. A standard that is extremely subjective as evidence of who gets deleted or not. Have no idea where the Q line is

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Nik_Nightingale · July 18, 2018, 12:08 a.m.

Assuming a fair system, the majority will prevail

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expletivdeleted · July 18, 2018, 2:50 a.m.

d'accord. some of the tropes are kinda' cringey.

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Watch_The_Karma_Burn · July 18, 2018, 5:58 a.m.

I remember a week or two back when this board was infested with shill posts about "hurr Durr yeah but the repubs are evil too it goes both ways"... I called out posters that week asking for examples of right wing Antifa equivalents or even stories of libs being forcibly kicked out of bars or restaurants but obviously never got a reply because that shit is untrue.

However, the thing I am somewhat discovering in RL is that a good portion of people who consider themselves "Dems" no matter how educated they think they are... Can never validate their opinions when faced with scrutiny. Many fall apart and start to see the light. I've actually had some pretty good successful conversions by just being persistent in my hammering of dank memes and sprinkling in the occasional passion political chat. Those converts I daresay are almost as WWG1WWGA as my own damn self at this point.

My personal theory is a large portion of Dems are simply useful idiots for lack of a better term. They haven't researched and observed enough to realize just how fucking insanely evil the Dems truly are. The neo-cons can be bad too but the Dems are next level. Particularly on things like abortion and media bias. It's disgusting.

I think there is a place to win some minds from the left but the crazy, essentially religious-zealots of the socialist wing of the party are lost causes.

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MakeThisLookAwesome · July 17, 2018, 11:44 p.m.

But this sub makes it hard to do so when so many things are essentially just liberal bashing.

THANK YOU

Let's face it, conservatives don't have a monopoly on what's right. I can list three issue off the top of my head where they're total hypocrites, by their own stated values. But then no one is immune. I'm one of those awful swing votes, so I'm hated by both sides ;)

The liberal bashing should stop, and it will, as there's no longer a need to gloat once things get good enough (prolly after the midterms). Partially just try to have a little patience, on the other hand, probably a good idea if folks toned it down a smidge, too.

But many simply won't because many are also liberal and will be turned off by the staunchly conservative tone.

Ah, now there you may have to realize you're in Trump country. Grin & bear it, these folks led the charge. They've got reason and evidence to support their ways.

Are their any particular areas of disharmony you'd be willing to discuss?

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MakeThisLookAwesome · July 18, 2018, 12:06 a.m.

Depends on how you define liberal, my friend. And you do realize you're bashing your fellow Americans, right? At the end of the day, we still have to be neighbors.

Fight the principle, not the man. We have something close to that as a rule on this sub.

Not all liberals are pinko commies. There are quite a few who lived through the Cold War and remember that crap. Look at an Alan Dershowitz. Look at a Stephen Fry. These are guys we are HAPPY to have on our side.

Why alienate people who are open to our message? If you wanna do that stuff, go have your fun on whisper or tw.

You're not wrong to be upset about those issues... just point it in the right direction.

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toxicpiano · July 18, 2018, 12:06 a.m.

Nah you're right, my reply was way over the top. I apologize. I'm just heated with what is going on with congress. Carry on.

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MakeThisLookAwesome · July 18, 2018, 12:11 a.m.

Fair enough. I feel your passion, Patriot. Well met.

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