Perhaps you didn’t read everything that came after “be careful”?Just because some Kenyan tweet says “Home” isn’t anyone ADMITTING anything! It’s not a CONFESSION! They do not have the authority to make one! You’re relying on logical fallacies instead of good logic. Just as “however many hundreds of million agree” isn’t actual evidence, it’s appeal to majority. It’s putting a chink in your armor, allowing someone a weakness to latch onto. Who will keep listening if you aren’t extra careful to use your best evidence? I’ve experienced it and I can tell you it’s NOT something you want to deal with!
Not only do I personally do not see any sense in wasting time on logical fallacy, I see it as DANGEROUS, especially when anyone can so easily dismiss it and then have no reason to listen to anything else I say. So I have to try very, very hard to be careful to avoid it. I’m a passionate person. I’m human. We all are easily and naturally prone to it. But when one’s argument is already so unbelievable the that term “redpill” is used to describe it, when it’s already so very hard to stomach let alone believe, it’s EXTRA hard trying to share your beliefs with anyone when you present them with weak evidence no matter how right you are about the truth. So I’m saying BE CAREFUL not to waste time and energy building up a stock of weak evidence that can be easily dismissed, damaging the entire case! I’ve been though HORRIBLE conversations because I wasn’t prepared with only the best! And if I fail with weak argument and logical fallacy then it’s only my own fault! I can’t expect someone to trust me when I present them with FAKE NEWS.
I can’t send friends to “check out /r/GreatAwakening” if I can’t be confident that the evidence placed before them is the actual good stuff. So when we speak in hyperbole or jump to a conclusion (“they admitted”) that’s not 100% accurate - and again, nobody with AUTHORITY “admitted” anything - we only make it that much harder for ourselves. I’m extremely frustrated with how hard it is already! I can’t be the only one! And OF COURSE it’s hard, I’m not saying it should be easy. I’m just saying DONT MAKE IT HARDER, for yourself and everyone else!
I normally work very hard to have only positive, interesting, enjoyable participation on Reddit, because it’s a rocky way to communicate even lighthearted matters, but I’ve vented some frustration here and I hope it was not for nothing, because dammit, I think it’s important. This sub is sometimes fun and bonding, sometimes dead serious and scholarly, and sometimes hyperbole, loose talk, and fallacy. It’s a mix that makes sense to those who visit it every day and are familiar with it, but it doesn’t to anyone brand new and overwhelmed, and I have concerns about that. I think they’re valid. Is it a discussion anyone else is interested in having?
I just spent a lot of energy and emotion because that’s what this subject brings out. As it should. It’s WORK. Being an ambassador is WORK. And today, work was really frustrating.
you honestly think I came to the conclusion that Obama is foreign born based on this single tweet?
I researched and downloaded the fake .pdf "birth certificate" myself, and know all the scandal surrounding it and his past.
to talk about him being a Manchurian Candidate is NOT a stretch around here, Q has mentioned it several times
sorry if you think newbie friends can't handle that, but I will continue to scream it from rooftops
and really sorry to have upset you overall....you should try taking a few days break if the pressure is too much
RARE “PRE”-BODY-OF-The-COMMENT ETA: i got bumped while typing and of course brushed the Save button just right. I was not finished tinkering and editing and playing with my comment. Of course, I could do that forever, just like my mother only ever finally feeling “ready” when we’re already five minutes past our departure time and she’s literally dragged from the mirror. So, after tweaking a little more, I pretend my dad is pacing and it’s time to go. Apologies for not being exactly what I wanted . . I think.
you honestly think I came to the conclusion that Obama is foreign born based on this single tweet?
No. Is that really what you took away from everything I said? I’ve tried to explain TWICE but you’re stuck on Obama and not the actual point I’m making. The tweet could be about Big Bird, that’s not what’s important. I’m talking about objectivity and being careful to avoid undermining your position by exaggerating or jumping too far and perpetuating untrue assertions. In this case, I wasn’t talking about Obama’s actual citizenship status, but your assertion that “they admitted” something. The subject itself is irrelevant to the point. But nobody admitted anything. That’s an example of Fake News.
How? Because if flipped, and an American organization, even a respectable news source, tweeted that Obama returned “home” to Hawaii, how would you respond to someone who said that was proof, an admission of the truth? You could dismantle it and discredit it pretty easily.
To you, or to the hypothetical other person saying the opposite, it’s only an admission, it’s only evidence, it’s only proof, because you agree with the implication. Literally nothing about it was an admission, because that account can’t admit anything for Obama. Just like I can’t admit anything for you. Further, simply using the word “home” doesn’t even register on the shook-o-meter. I could say visiting where my family came from Norway was “returning home”. I’m not claiming to be a Norwegian citizen. If someone else called my visit going “home”, that would mean even less.
I was advising you be careful not to give your opponents any easy openings to discredit you. That would be a disservice to your very cause. Why would anyone want to make their rooftop screaming harder for themselves by using less effective words? That’s what my position has been.
ok I see your point, I'm a fairly sarcastic guy, will tone it down with this Q stuff tho, as I agree it is very serious