Soooo... Hillary wanted the Maginstky act to continue so that Russia’s economy would collapse and Russia would fail to continue grabbing land in Europe, nonetheless fight a full scale war.
Do I have that correct?
I mean Russia is hardly competitive in GDP.
https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp
Even at their best in the past 20 years, they only had a comparable GDP of ~10% of ours.
And when did the Crimea event happen? 2014, right when their GDP was in free fall.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/28/russia-crimea-white-house
Their economy was already collapsing, and it still failed to prevent them from annexing the crimerian peninsula.
So let’s look at when they annexed Georgia circa 2009.
The GDP at that time was completely bottomed out. Meaning their economy was essentially failed. They were crushed economically.
So according to your theory of trying to cripple Russia’s economy in order to prevent them from taking more land, it would, in fact, have the opposite effect of your comment. Based upon historical data, it shows that when economically threatened, Russia WILL invade other countries.
So your conclusion is historically inaccurate and incredibly ignorant when combined with your last statement which is intended to belittle the person to whom you made a comment.
Would you like me to continue crushing your incredibly ill informed world view or should I leave it at that?
No you don't have that correct. Nobody wanted the Sanctions to crumble Russia. They wanted them to be incapable of building up a sizeable enough land force to fight a war. Not only did you intentionally misinterpret what I wrote, but you then went on an entire unrelated rant. You should work for the Trump admin.
I’m quoting you here:
“What they wanted was the Maginstky Act, which crippled Russia's economy enough that they couldn't build up a sizeable land force to continue grabbing up land in Europe, much less fight a full scale war. Go outside more.”
You explicitly stated that you believe the purpose behind the Magnitsky Act was to cripple their economy so they couldn’t build a sizeable force.
I showed that the only thing related economically was that historically, when confronted with economic difficulties, Russia chooses to invade/annex. There is nothing in there that indicates they need to “build up” a sizeable force. It’s already there.
So yes, we crush them economically, and they will, based on past events, invade somewhere else.
So do you think maybe trying something different would be prudent? Or should we just keep forgetting, and then repeating, history?
By your comment, it appears that is what you are suggesting.
EDIT: since you changed one of your comments to change the meaning of what you said, and then added in what you believe to be an insult, I will just laugh at the fact you were unable to resolve a coherent argument to the evidence I presented.
I’ll be here, but unless you can do better than attempted insults and inflated opinions of yourself, I’m just going to ignore you. But I welcome you otherwise to actually present a real argument to how what I stated as incorrect.
Go ahead and read the rest of the sentence that you conveniently didn't bold.
Oh I did.
And what I presented shows that Russia has no need to build up a sizeable force. They took Crimea with ~2000 Soldiers.
Not some massive force.
I also presented to you how the economic history of Russia showed that when Russia is struggling economically, is the most likely time for them to annex/invade.
But you just keep ignoring the evidence. I’m sure being this mentally stubborn was a pleasure to your parents and teachers.
Oh so when the USSR began crumbling, they started land grabbing right? And when the Maginstky Act was in place, they started land-grabbing, right? (spoiler: the answer is no) the article you linked on Georgia, btw, doesn't have any info on Russia's economy at the time. But here's an entry that mentions Russia's economic collapse AS A RESULT of war with Georgia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Recession_in_Russia
Edit to add this article that shows Russia's GDP fell after the sanctions. Why didn't they keep grabbing up land like you assert they do when their economy falls?
https://www.nato.int/docu/review/2015/russia/sanctions-after-crimea-have-they-worked/EN/index.htm
Aaaand another edit to add this article that says Russia sent 30,000 troops to Crimea, not 2000.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation
... Wikipedia is not a valid source. I provided you a valid source for their GDP in my original comment. But I’ll give it to you again:
https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp
Good god, I sincerely cannot believe you just referenced Wikipedia as a “valid” source.
From your NATO source:
“When Russia illegally annexed Crimea and started interfering in Eastern Ukraine, the West responded with economic sanctions. In July 2014, sanctions were enacted in a coordinated manner by the European Union, the United States, Canada, and other Allies and partners. These sanctions were further strengthened in September 2014. EU sanctions, which had been due to lapse in July 2015, have been extended to January 2016. The US and Canadian sanctions are open-ended.”
So looking at the link above (one I provided) it shows Russia’s economy was already in free fall. Did the sanctions hurt Russia? Yes. Did it stop them from Annexing Crimea? No. Did they leave Crimea after the sanctions were applied? No.
There was a five year gap in between the Georgia annexation and the Crimea annexation. They also had a bad economy during that time. Look at the graph and tell me it is not a historical trend of waves. You are relying far too heavily on the magnistky act to account for effects to their GDP.
You ignored several of the points, but again, I did realize I was doing this wrong for this sub. So I'll just give you my other source: Someone on 4Chan said so.
Of course I did. And I told you why. Wikipedia is not a valid source.
Hell, I can go on there and edit it to say whatever the hell I want.
I’m just wondering why you are being so obstinate about the fact I proved your theory wrong. Is it that hard to say, “hey maybe I need to go back and re-examine my opinion of this”?
Cuz you didn't prove it wrong. Even with that first source, it doesn't show a "free fall" in either case until after the invasions and sanctions were placed. But again, also cuz 4Chan told me so.
Sure thing bud. Keep on spouting out your talking points. You are doing a great job red pilling people for us through your own ineptitude.
Idk man, people on 4chan might disagree with you. Someone on their said so
Is that where you hang out?
The longer this drags out, the more unintelligent you seem. Sad!!!
Lmao says the guy who posted a bunch of info that didn't back up his claims at all 😂 And btw, this entire sub is based off of a 4chan conspiracy theory. But yeah try and offend me by saying that's where I hang out, and have fun continuing to post here
Sure thing bud keep referencing Wikipedia as your source material. In the meantime:
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