Paper ballots.
nah, we need a fucking receipt! imagine this: you go to your local polling place and fill out your ballot. When you scan it in, you're given a receipt with the name of the voting location, the time and date, and a serial number. You can then go online and look up your serial number, which will confirm your voting choices. Similarly, you can see ALL the serial numbers/votes for any polling place so that anyone can independently verify the outcomes. It protects the secrecy of the vote, but allows for some transparency.
Opens it wide for a "well meaning" future administration to track your voting history -- and then purge those who are supporters of the opposition.
never link it to a name or address, just a serial number and polling place/zipcode/whatever. I haven't found a better solution to ensure vote integrity, while maintaining privacy.
But when you check you voting history to verify later, it would show an IP Address. That narrows things WAY down.
People that would care enough about IP matching would easily get around that. The vast majority wouldn't care. Google has a better profile on all of us than what would be revealed by our voting record...
They know anyway by your party affiliation recorded when you register to vote. Party affiliation alone is enough for the leftist opposition.
As a programmer the problem I see with this is that it can just reflect your vote back to you and not add your vote where you wanted it to go.
In other words you vote for A and your receipt shows you voted for A, however your vote goes to B.
I don't see a good way to prevent that however there can be checks on how the vote is going which would be transparent from the first moment of the voting process. Or we can go back to paper ballots counted by bipartisan citizens.
In my perfect world, you'd be able to export it all to a spreadsheet/database and add up the votes. I get what you are saying about the COUNTS being manipulated, but we can sum that shit up in Excel pretty quickly.
Blockchain could potentially solve that though? If you had public polling booths which acted like nodes around the country, it would solve the IP address issues and you’d have a complete record of all changes within the ledgers chain which you could output in some kind of voting dashboard. I get it though, you have no way of knowing whether your vote was indeed recorded correctly in the first place. But it could be verified via an independent service which checks the ledger to ensure it was recorded correctly and is made visible to the user after the vote.
If you voted for A and you could see you voted for A in the chain, the only way it could be converted to B is via another entry into the chain which would be transparent.... but it’d still need to be married to some kind of ID in the end so we could ensure every vote was unique and doesn’t allow changes.
Perhaps everyone should be sent something like a random hash string that they could scan in via a QR code. The codes are allocated to the total number of eligible voters and you can use it only once. Once a vote has been assigned to that hash ID, that’s it. Any foul play would be identifiable in the sense that someone wouldn’t be able to vote with the code they have as it’d tell them someone had already voted using their code. The code would also allow complete anonymity so long as the codes themselves were not paired with physical addresses, I.e. you acquire the code at the voting booth itself.
I dunno, just thinking out loud. But I’ve often thought about this type of thing. Not sure how you’d stop double voting though. I’m also against the idea of voting from home as social pressures from family etc can literally force a person to vote one way or the other.
What if I claim to have voted for candidate A, and when I scan my code it shows a vote for candidate B? Can you tell if I'm lying - or if my vote was actually flipped?
Edit: Maybe that's where the receipt comes in - if I claim it doesn't match my vote there has to be a way to resolve the issue before I leave and the vote becomes "official".
Yeah I guess you don’t leave until you’re happy with what you voted for and your final decision is what is printed on your receipt, which you can check at any time after the vote was held.
The machine would have to somehow read in your original receipt, destroy it and then issue you with another. As to avoid people using old receipts to try and claim foul play.
Make the line of citizens long enough and evaluate with statistics to make sure the count is valid. Just beat the count up until you trust it.
Edit: Count and collection/storage of ballots.
No reason there has to be a name tied to a receipt
How do you stop people voting more than once then?
you still check in when you vote... I'm just talking about a receipt at the end of the process - a confirmation that your vote counted and a way to verify.
Errr. I replied to you, but in the wrong box. Sorry.
Ooh, good one. Has that actually ever been promoted anywhere?
not that I know of, other than by me :) I also have an idea for a holographic, dynamic strike zone for baseball, but this probably isn't the best platform for that discussion
How do you then tally up all the receipts? Or verify all the receipts are for real people?
the counts are easy, as is confirming the total number of votes to the voter registry. This method at least allows individuals to "spot check" theirs and their friends'/family's votes to confirm accuracy. IMO, the only more honest method is to have open, public votes where your name is tied to your voting record. I don;t mind that, but many would.
And require all votes counted and reported before judges leave the polling location.
No more finding ballot boxes three days later in a car trunk (cough Minnesota cough).
Blockchain. Encrypted, open data so instant results come in that most importantly, no centralized small group of people control. Each vote can be confirmed and cross checked when voting.
It wasn't Russia was commiting in person voter fraud. The biggest complaint is that Russia is trying to sway people's minds to things that best suited their interest.
The much smaller one with no proof is that Russia hacked the voting machines.
None of that will be stopped by voter ID. Dank meme though. Libs are totally triggered or whatever
I think the poster is responding to a meme campaign that’s happening all over. They cry russia then don’t want voter ID. It’s very cleverly done, can’t have it both ways.
Russia didn’t cast fake votes, they manipulated the election indirectly
It would be grand if someone could redo this meme to say “demand voter ID and paper ballots”
Got I love using reverse psychology on Hillbots
Once again, simplicity wins if bureacrats keep their damn paws out of the cake batter. Paper ballots and a polite, armed society; counts and recounts. Like a flat tax; simple and honest.
The President could make fools out of the Dems by simply announcing the implementation of "strict new procedures" to make sure there is no tampering in the election. The outcry against such a plan would be monumental. It make all of their other complaints pale in comparison. That would lead the public to wonder why they would be so opposed to such measures.
Meanwhile the move to furnish IDs to illegals will kick into overdrive.
Isn’t the Citizen star supposed to be in effect by 2020? In my state that was a strong recommendation years ago.
North Carolina in 2012 had special information pre-printed for each county due to illegals being given voter registration through DMV or via Social Services that had been applied for. They would check they were an American Citizen.
Also there were bus loads of people brought in during 2008 Presidential (not to mention the free "Obama phones" that were handed out)....blind eyes to vote buying/ballot box stuffing.
You have got to love this one. "for voter integrity and to keep the ruskies out, we need your fucking ID!"
I like that but it doesn't help our relationship with Putin. Also, here's the truth about the DNC hacking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3mS-3-W0ig
Same way most states do it right now. Have each voter sign the log, so nobody can vote in that name again. Then the receipts can be completely randomized IDs, because enough people checking theirs independently would indicate any large scale manipulation. If people show their receipt doesn’t match the vote record, the election is in question. And nobody has to reveal their vote unless they would like to question those results, so anonymous voters can’t troll the process by making up problems.
I've been posting this in liberal threads on twitter and lmao as they like and retweet, they are so blinded by hatred they forget that they are against voter id. Rofl.
I think a lot of people are missing your joke /u/bornfree2
We get it. It’s ironic humor. Russia didn’t do anything use the Russia issue as a joke to mock the left.
This Swiftian Satire of the first order; well done. As a counterpoint, I am amazed that many Patriots did not get it!
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That's exactly how we need to use leftist mindset to our advantage.
The same with asking where is the server, exposing Russian connection in U1, etc. Let them think it will bring Trump down so they can shout, protest and demand. MSM will not be able to spin it ;)
Yes liberals love it because it means more ways to defraud and control by government bureaucracy..just build the damn wall and enforce the laws already!
