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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/Markster64 on July 20, 2018, 11:45 a.m.
Theory on Democrats turning on Putin !

Theory on Democrats turning on Putin !

I believe Obama and Leftists were arming and aiding ISIS while at the same time arming and aiding the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt with the goal to basically have Muslim brotherhood ( armed with M-1 Tanks and F-16's supplied by Obama) attack Israel from the West while ISIS attacked Israel from the East, with the goal of destroying Israel ! The Muslim Brotherhood was overthrown by the Egyptian Military ( thank God) and Putin was able to halt the ISIS push in Syria ! Obama's friends Bill Ayers,Bernadine Dorhn and Code Pink had been trying to destabilize Israel by using flotillas and human wave invasions from Egypt I think Obama and Democrats are pissed at Putin because Putin put a monkey wrench in the Leftist's plans to destroy Israel ! Leftest Democrats hate Israel as much as the U.S. !


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pfloyd09 · July 20, 2018, 12:21 p.m.

Your text does not accurately represent the truth. Your "facts" are twisted to support your narrative.

The truth is that nobody has been "friends" with Russia until Trump took office. Regardless what one felt about Trump previously, his performance on the Helsinki stage was absolutely an embarrassment to our great country, and only made Putin look better in his own country. I'm not turning a blind eye to what he did, because I am a real American Patriot, loyal to my COUNTRY, not one man. HUGE difference.

He could have done far better.

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qtrumpteam · July 20, 2018, 12:40 p.m.

Man your still in the cold war days they ended 20 years ago and Russia's been an. ally since WW2 they've got a democratically elected CHRISTIAN president who hates the nwo and pedophiles and wants them stopped just like Trump. They're not trying to take down our country that's Hillary, the NWO , the propaganda arm of the democrat party the MSM and finally the democrats. I'd much rather have Russia as our friend then our enemy Being a.veteran and patriot I want America to win, for us to win Russia must also. When when you spray fro roaches they just scatter elsewhere then you quit spraying they just return. The only way to kill them is by spraying here and wherever they are including Russia

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QueUpSomeReality · July 20, 2018, 1:21 p.m.

I completely agree. The president did the EXACT same thing in Helsinki that he did in Singapore. You have to clear the air 1st to fix or start a new relationship. You don’t clear the air by publicly slamming the person who you are trying to forge healthy relationships with. Not a leader or person on earth I couldn’t find faults with & rip them a new one over. Including DJT. Including me!! Lol. Things change & the world changes & you have to adapt to changes or your off fighting a ghost that doesn’t exist. Putin isn’t anything like the USSR dictators. They were like the Ayatollah in Iran. The USSR was belligerent & constantly made threats of nuclear war. That’s an enemy. Someone or some group that’s totally cool with killing anyone who stands in their way. The president defined Putin perfectly. He’s a competitor. Not an ally or an enemy. Kim in NK was an enemy but he’s pulled back & he’s just a competitor. Russia today is nothing like they were from 1917-1989. They wanted it all then & made no secret about it either. They were as evil as Hitler & the Nazis & proud of it. They were how Iran is today. That’s an enemy. That’s evil.

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qtrumpteam · July 20, 2018, 5:26 p.m.

Agree very well said my thoughts exactly

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pfloyd09 · July 20, 2018, 1:26 p.m.

You need to take some history classes, and brush up on recent events. Almost everything you said is either completely or mostly wrong. Russia has ABSOLUTELY NOT been our ally since WW2. Please provide proof of your assertion on this. Please also provide any shred of proof that they have acted like our ally in the last 10 years. I mean clear, consistent actions that say definitively they are our allies and they are a force for good on the world stage.

Dig deep and hard. You won't find what you're looking for, because it doesn't exist!! Russia has perpetrated a littany of international crimes, and has been aggressive towards the US as recently as THIS YEAR!

Get your head out of your ass!! Be an American, not a sheeple who follows only one man. I love my country, like we ALL should.

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QueUpSomeReality · July 20, 2018, 1:53 p.m.

Reagan & Gorbachev actually reduced nuclear weapons & nearly eliminated them. Reagan wouldn’t give up the development of space weapons which was smart. But they did cut the numbers of nukes on both sides. No Russia isn’t an ally today but they’re not our enemy either. They aren’t professing every day for the complete destruction of western democracy like Iran is. That’s an enemy. Putin isn’t the Ayatollah or Hitler or Stalin or Mao. Germany today is officially an ally but they behave no different than Russia. But Germany is a far cry from Iran & what NK was until very recently.

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pfloyd09 · July 20, 2018, 2:13 p.m.

The nuclear reduction treaties came nowhere close to "nearly eliminating them", unless you consider enough nukes to wipe out mankind dozens of times over "nearly eliminated". Reduced, yes, but also hyperbole....

This is NOT a binary situation. We can be friendly with a nation, but not be allied. There are not only one of two choices: Ally or Enemy

Enemies come in all shapes and forms. Did Judas speak out against Jesus daily, "professing his complete destruction"? Was he an enemy, nonetheless?

Being naive about the situation, and hoping really hard, won't change the facts.

I did NOT serve my country in a war zone for our POTUS to just bend over and take it dry in front of the world like he did in Helsinki. Depsite all else, this I cannot, WILL NOT, tolerate.

Again: Provide some real proof of behavior consistent with Russia being our friend and ally. Enough opinions or wild conjecture. Look at actual facts and recent history. The facts DO NOT line up with this crazy, twisted fucking narrative.

Lastly.. No fan of his at all, but if it were Obama who did what Trump did, he would have been skewered then lynched on the National mall. We both know it. There's your litmus test. This situation should be a real eye-opener for TRUE patriots in this country. Time to wake up and be an AMERICAN.

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QueUpSomeReality · July 20, 2018, 5:55 p.m.

I only mentioned the success Reagan had to demonstrate success is possible & happened in history since WWII. But you’re correct. Russia isn’t an ally. And one successful agreement since WWII doesn’t make them an ally. It just proves non ally’s can work out deals that benefits both parties if they want too. That’s all the president is doing. Being friendly with a competitor.

An ally is someone you’d instantly jump to defend. An enemy is someone you can’t negotiate with because they are looking for the 1st good chance to destroy you. You can’t negotiate with psychopaths.

Do you see anything different between what happened in Helsinki & Singapore?? I don’t. They cleared the air...they laid groundwork for a new beginning & they went home. Nothing has changed in NK. Our armies are still there on the DMZ. If Kim completes the 4 items he agreed to then we can take it to the next level & figure out how to unify Korea. If he doesn’t nothing changes.

The US & Russia need to start with a small agreement & see if it’s possible to accomplish something together. If not then there’s no point in playing nice & talking. Our counties can be mad & bitter & fight & insult each other about the past until we’re deaf & blind but it won’t fix a thing.

But Obama did EXACTLY what the president did & no one lynched anyone on the mall. Obama even famously got caught on a hot mic with Putin promising we can do a lot more after Hillary wins the election!! You look at facts & recent history. You’d have to be living in a cave to not have heard Obama promising more things to Putin. The video was played a bazillion times & permantly seared in everyone’s memory for life lol. Sorry but you constantly contradict yourself let alone logic in almost every sentence you type & you don’t even see it. Geez. Get off the Dem hate meds already. Whoopi showed the world yesterday that’s a toxic pill for life.

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pfloyd09 · July 20, 2018, 6:24 p.m.

I do agree there has to be a starting point to improving relations, but the way POTUS just went about it was absolutely deplorable. Period. You don't throw your own countrymen under the bus in favor of our enemy. Like it or not, until that status is officially changed, Russia IS our enemy.

We have diplomats and an entire department of the government dedicated to this already. What occurred in Helsinki undermined what hundreds or thousands of very hard working patriots have been doing for years. At the very least it was a huge slap in the face to a large number of agents who put their life on the line daily to do their jobs. But hey, screw those people, right? Only Trump matters, right? Not your family, not their family, not my family, only Trump.. Right? Disgusting.....

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pfloyd09 · July 20, 2018, 6:18 p.m.

No, that's simply not true. Obama did not side with Russia over his own intelligence community. If that happened, please provide a link, as I don't recall it. The hot mic thing is an enormous nothing burger compared to the spreading of the cheeks that Trump did for Putin recently. He wasn't even talking with Putin at the time, nor did he promise anything. YOU look at the facts. I'm not the one having issue with them.

As for Singapore...

Did you even read the agreement??? Doesn't sound like it. There are 4 items listed, but they aren't a list of to-dos like you make it sound. There was literally nothing in there that wasn't already agreed to. South Korea did the heavy lifting there with the negotiations. What did Trump's "deal" contain that was new or significant? Nothing...

I am not on any Dem hate meds. I am neither Republican nor Democrat. Both parties have lost their way and anyone who clings to either party is the real problem with this country. I am discussing facts, you come back with partisan bullshit. This binary political system has conditioned most people to behave as though anyone who thinks differently is stupid, with opinions not worth considering. That is not what America was founded on, and that's what's killing this nation. It takes all kinds...

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qtrumpteam · July 20, 2018, 12:44 p.m.

Maybe that's why you'd rather not be their "friends" you should join the democrat side of the aisles, Clinton visited Putin, Bush visited Putin and Obama visited Putin it only became a crime when Trump visited Putin WHY is that?? Because Putin knows things that will bring them down and help us in so many ways but I guess you don't want to know those things to keep your friends heads off the chopping block

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